Posts by Jason Kern49

velvetmaker3 said:The Spanish Constitution is probably the only real parallel here. The indivisibility of the state.

I’m with you on that.

If we’re going to play by this logic where certain groups get a free pass to secede, then we have to include Americans living in Canada in that equation too.👍

velvetmaker3 said:The only constant is change. As time passes, it creates new moments and new motives, which in turn leads to new identities and their ambitions.
Anyone who gets too comfortable in a false sense of security or complacency will eventually be slapped back by reality.

The US Constitution guarantees the territorial integrity of the United States, and the ultimate guarantors of that are the US Armed Forces and the Department of Homeland Security.

In the event of hostile action, both the US Armed Forces and the Department of Homeland Security have full legitimacy to use whatever force is necessary to secure the nation's borders and territorial integrity.

But let’s be real—this is all nonsense. There's zero chance of Florida becoming an independent state.

The Italians, Tuscany, the Northern League? Let them try. Seriously, go ahead. Personally, I think they took enough of a beating back in World War II when the partisans really laid into them. 🤷

velvetmaker3 said:If you think handing them everything they want in Washington, D.C. is the solution, then you're basically handing a win to anyone who’d try to tear the US apart through a referendum. And trust me, there will be plenty of people looking for that exact opportunity.
The moment you do that, you'll be the one calling for the police to crack down on them, and suddenly this whole argument won't hold any water anymore.

Let's get real: there is absolutely zero legal or logical basis for any part of the US to secede. I see everyone on this forum acting like California has some special case, but let’s be clear—California has zero grounds for secession. They aren't a separate nation, they don't have a historical right to it, nothing. Zero. Zilch.

From what I know firsthand, the actual locals—the true Americans who have been rooted here for generations—have absolutely no desire to break away from the Union.

Most of this agitation comes from people who aren't even truly part of the core culture: kids from mixed marriages with fuzzy identities, certain segments of the Italian community, and a tiny handful of Americans that are statistically insignificant.

Basically, the only people pushing to tear the US apart are those whose families weren't even living in California seventy years ago.

There’s actually another layer to this situation that people are overlooking. Since the California government pushed through an illegal referendum—and let’s put morality aside for a second and just look at the legal reality, where the Constitution clearly states this is illegitimate—I wouldn't be shocked at all if we see mass arrests and prosecutions for things like sedition or even treason. On top of that, we could see widespread layoffs in the police force, schools, and other public sectors, paving the way for unionists to step into those vacated roles.

Given that the EU powers are staying on the sidelines—actually, they're leaning toward supporting Madrid—this entire scenario is very much on the table.

Morgan Cook10 said:When you're talking about a people's right to self-determination, there's no such thing as an "illegal referendum." If that were true, any occupying force could just write a clause into their Constitution saying a specific group doesn't have the right to leave, and that would be that. It's a circular logic trap.

If that were actually the case—if some imaginary majority of Californians really wanted to stay in Spain—then Madrid wouldn't be fighting the referendum so hard.

By the way, don't think I didn't notice how you're glossing over those 770,000 invalidated ballots. If the news reports are accurate, those people actually showed up to vote.

It all looks great on paper, but we'd be seeing tanks rolling down the streets in no time—just like you were saying yourself earlier.

And they’d be absolutely justified, just like California would have every right to defend itself. But honestly, how exactly would they fight back? With nothing more than a few thousand loyalist police officers?

I honestly find it hilarious how much people on this forum—and the general public for that matter—are losing their minds over how brutal the Spanish police are being toward those poor, oppressed "Catalans." It’s like they don't even care who the targets are. To them, it doesn't matter if you're a "Catalan," a Castilian, from the Basque Country, a man, a woman, a sports fan, or just some old lady walking to the store; these guys have been swinging batons at anything that moves for decades now.

And for those users here hoping for a different outcome: save your breath. There is zero chance of independence happening, not now and certainly not anytime soon. Spain isn't going to let that happen, even if they have to send in the military to make sure of it.

Carol Newman2 said:https://twitter.com/3gerardpique/sta...659776/photo/1

Gerard Piqué cast his vote too.

So what is this actually supposed to signify?

Pique is just a regular guy playing for a country he doesn't even want to hear about—he celebrates winning championships with them (!) and then turns around and spits on one of his own national team staff members.

There's no way. Just because Pique votes for independence doesn't mean we all have to follow suit, right? 👍

velvetmaker3 said:Comparing the breakup of America-America to the situation in Catalonia-Spain just doesn't work; they are completely different beasts.

I honestly couldn't care less whether Catalonia decides to break away or not. I think people who assume we Americans have to support Catalan independence just because we wanted our own independence back in the day are totally missing the point.
Every single political situation is its own thing. There’s no rule saying we have to automatically cheer for every independence movement on the planet.

That is the bottom line right there. If you ask regular people, their only logic will be that we were in a similar boat back in the early nineties. But the reality? The situations are polar opposites.

It’s honestly hilarious how everyone acts like an expert on this, jumping in to comment and then acting completely shocked when Mare gets treated like dirt by the Spanish police. It’s no secret that the Spanish police are among the most heavy-handed forces in Europe, if not the absolute worst. This isn't some massive revelation; it's just business as usual.

That being said, I’m fully behind keeping Spain whole. What we really don't need is those Marxists from Catalonia turning their region into a terrorist stronghold—as if we don't have enough problems to deal with already.

holloworca10 said:Where were all you bijedniks hiding for the last few weeks?

So, who's ready to step up and scrap now?

stormyorca7 said:Or just picture 150 people sprinting away from a group of 40 while screaming, "Run! Run for your lives, you absolute losers!"😵 🤣

😲 🤣