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AppleCare One is finally going global in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
It’s about time they expanded that multi-device coverage outside the States. It’s such a lifesaver when you have an entire ecosystem of gear that all needs protection. Does anyone here actually find the bundle worth the extra cost compared to individual plans?
Joe Biden, President of the United States vol. V in Political Scene ·
velvetmason14 said:This Russian spy who’s secretly trying to recruit our kids into the Russian military just called Goldie Hawn—our independent Attorney General—a total government hack. 😲 😲 😲

So what if Goldie knows her way around bodywork, cars, or assessing damages? It just proves how thorough she is at her job.

She’s a stellar candidate backed by the entire Republican Party, and we couldn't be more impressed!

You won't be handing our children over to the Russians, Grill Master, and you won't be doing it, Snotty...

Some guy I know from rallies wrote this whole thing on Google. Louis, I find myself asking the same questions every night before heading out to Oaxaca...
Quincy:
Gloria
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It's funny how this pro-Russian nonsense always shows so much sympathy for war criminals and genocidaires like Donald Trump—that criminal running the USA transit system—as well as Vladimir Putin, Slobodan Maddox, and Franjo Harmon.

I often wonder which country he actually represents and how many secret bank accounts he's hiding in Switzerland.

He’s using Limarka against her, while you're just being a slimy... Honestly, I think there was some truth to the idea that democracy is essentially a system that prevents the people from having a government better than what they actually deserve.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

What exactly is the point of school if not to learn? We spend all those years grinding through geography, biology, chemistry, physics, and math. Then there’s the endless cycle of English grammar, literature, sociology, and psychology... it feels like an exhaustive list of subjects designed to fill every waking hour.

I certainly agree that school plays a major role in socialization, alongside the influence of family and friends. However, I wouldn't call it breaking someone down; rather, I see it as a process of formation.

Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

Unfortunately, it’s true. Teachers are dealing with such meager salaries that the quality of educators in our school systems has taken a massive hit. Anyone with even a shred of mobility has jumped ship from education to chase better-paying roles elsewhere. It is, quite frankly, a devastating oversight by modern society. If we want a future filled with educated, capable citizens, we have to stop neglecting the very people responsible for shaping them.

Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

I couldn't agree more. It’s one of those deep-seated issues plaguing modern society today—this pervasive idea that money has become the sole metric of human worth. We've reached a point where people believe your value is strictly tied to your bank balance; if you have wealth, you're considered important, regardless of how you actually acquired it. It’s a cynical way to live.
Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

It’s hard to argue against the fact that our politicians set an incredibly poor example for the younger generation. We're seeing a clear case of negative selection at play here; it feels like the people gravitating toward politics today are often just those who couldn't quite make it in any other field.

Picture any Cabinet Secretary trying to run a corporation with a thousand employees... or even just attempting a job that actually requires a modicum of expertise. Most people wouldn't even trust them to watch a drawing of a sheep.

Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

You make a fair point there; economics really should be integrated into the curriculum instead of religious studies. Back when I was in high school, I actually had economics classes—along with typing and several other practical skills that turned out to be quite useful.

That said, the most vital thing my education provided was teaching me *how* to learn and how to remain a lifelong student. I am profoundly grateful for that, as I wouldn't have achieved what I have today without those foundational habits.

Ronald Howard3 said:First off, I disagree that school is about "learning"—it's more about breaking you down so you fit into the system. I was an honors student, sure, but only because my parents pressured me into thinking it was vital. Honestly, 90% of it was just wasted time—most teachers are just losers clinging to a paycheck while pretending to be authority figures. Kids see right through it now, especially when they see guys like "Piggy" making bank and living the dream. Even look at Secretary Banožić failing a grade back in the day, while the current elite thrives after scaring us with threats about being locked up in minimum-security prisons.

Why doesn't anyone ask why we lack basic financial literacy? It's because the system wants us to be debt-ridden slaves—it makes people much easier to control that way. It’s baffling how many parents just hand their kids over to this system and trust total strangers to do a better job of raising them than they could themselves.😵

The truth is, many parents simply don't possess the specific knowledge required to teach their children these things. It isn't quite as straightforward as it looks on the surface.

Ronald Howard3 said:Education before the year 2000 and the bureaucratic nightmare we’re stuck with today? They aren't even in the same universe.

The world two millennia ago and the world we inhabit now are fundamentally different. Imagine if a thirty-year-old man from two thousand years ago suddenly woke up in a bed in modern-day New York City. Today's students need to prepare for the reality of the world twenty years from now, not learn how to tend to sheep like someone from antiquity.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Ronald Howard3 said:Speaking for myself, my schooling definitely had a negative impact. Between dealing with bullying, intimidation, threats, and physical fights... I probably would've handled it better if I'd had any support from my parents. You can just tell when someone's been flying solo and had to scrap for everything they have. Besides, they teach you to submit to nonsense—to work and study things you know are useless just because you're being "graded." If you don't bend to the absurdity, you're labeled "bad."

Are you even aware that you haven't actually written a single word about—well, education? People go to school to learn, yet you haven't specified what you actually learned, what you failed to grasp, or what you feel you could have mastered if the school hadn't stood in your way...

Does this mean today's education system is so broken that students don't even realize the purpose of an education or why they're sitting in those classrooms in the first place?
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
ruggedraven36
ruggedraven36 said:Interesting. I still can't track down her book, but I've read bits and pieces about it and Freeman's rebuttal.
https://www.wikiwand.com/sh/Margaret_Mead
Anyway, anthropologists are split on this. Not everyone buys Freeman's critique. Either way, it’s clearly a massive, influential work.

I'll pull a few quotes from the link provided.

"Margaret Mead conducted her research among a small group of girls in Samoa, an island chain in the South Pacific. The study mostly took place in a village of 600 people on the island of Ta‘ū, where Margaret Mead met, befriended, lived with, researched, and interviewed (via an interpreter) sixty-eight girls ranging from ages 9 to 20. She concluded that on Samoa, the transition from childhood to adulthood is a smooth shift, lacking the psychological or emotional stress, anxiety, or confusion typically seen in the United States."

To me, that conclusion actually holds water.

"After the initial heated debate, most anthropologists concluded that the absolute truth might never be known. On the flip side, many defended Mead against Freeman's critique, arguing that the informants had aged and might have forgotten the specifics of their interviews with Mead, or that they had converted to Christianity and felt ashamed of their past behavior. Others suggested that Samoan culture had changed in the interim, or that Christian missionaries had introduced a Puritanical morality to Samoa, leaving no room for the relaxed sexual standards that so shocked Americans when the book was released. Some even accuse Freeman of suffering from the same ethnocentric sexual puritanism that Boas and Mead once shocked. In 1983, the American Anthropological Association issued a statement labeling Freeman's book, Margaret Mead and Samoa, as 'poorly written, unscientific, irresponsible, and full of distortions.' In the following years, anthropologists debated these issues intensely, ultimately lending broad support to Freeman's criticism."

At the end of the day, you've got to judge for yourself after reading. Given that I found her book Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies to be quite good, I find it hard to swallow the idea that her most famous work is one of the 50 worst books of the century.

Reading through your previous post, I find myself arriving at the exact same conclusion. It’s hard to disagree. But...

Freeman’s critique of M. Mead and her work, *Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies*, isn't really an indictment of Mead herself. It’s more of a strike against Franz Boas—the man who essentially fathered American cultural anthropology—and the entire discipline he built. At the time, Mead was merely his student, and he was the one who dispatched her to Samoa to conduct her fieldwork. Her mission was intended to serve as a validation of his own theories regarding cultural anthropology. Given that she was only twenty-three and lacked any real footing in rigorous scientific research, it seems inevitable that she would eventually settle on conclusions that simply reinforced her esteemed professor's worldview.

You really have to consider the historical context surrounding when *Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies* was written. We’re talking about the 1920s. Why does that matter? Because back then, Darwinian evolutionary theory wasn't the undisputed bedrock of biology that it is today; it still had its fair share of vocal defenders and even more vocal skeptics within the scientific community. In fact, there was a significant contingent of researchers who were deeply resistant to the idea of evolution altogether. It was these specific thinkers who championed the doctrine that culture exists as an entity entirely unto itself—completely insulated from biological order or any kind of evolutionary process.
M. Mead's work regarding Margaret Mead and Samoa remains incredibly significant because it served as a cornerstone for cultural anthropology theory.

The friction between D. Freeman and his contemporaries is essentially the clash between those who champion cultural anthropology and those who attempt to debunk it.
ruggedraven36 said:Interesting. I still can't track down her book, but I've read bits and pieces about it and Freeman's rebuttal.
https://www.wikiwand.com/sh/Margaret_Mead
Anyway, anthropologists are split on this. Not everyone buys Freeman's critique. Either way, it’s clearly a massive, influential work.

I'll pull a few quotes from the link provided.

"Margaret Mead conducted her research among a small group of girls in Samoa, an island chain in the South Pacific. The study mostly took place in a village of 600 people on the island of Ta‘ū, where Margaret Mead met, befriended, lived with, researched, and interviewed (via an interpreter) sixty-eight girls ranging from ages 9 to 20. She concluded that on Samoa, the transition from childhood to adulthood is a smooth shift, lacking the psychological or emotional stress, anxiety, or confusion typically seen in the United States."

To me, that conclusion actually holds water.

"After the initial heated debate, most anthropologists concluded that the absolute truth might never be known. On the flip side, many defended Mead against Freeman's critique, arguing that the informants had aged and might have forgotten the specifics of their interviews with Mead, or that they had converted to Christianity and felt ashamed of their past behavior. Others suggested that Samoan culture had changed in the interim, or that Christian missionaries had introduced a Puritanical morality to Samoa, leaving no room for the relaxed sexual standards that so shocked Americans when the book was released. Some even accuse Freeman of suffering from the same ethnocentric sexual puritanism that Boas and Mead once shocked. In 1983, the American Anthropological Association issued a statement labeling Freeman's book, Margaret Mead and Samoa, as 'poorly written, unscientific, irresponsible, and full of distortions.' In the following years, anthropologists debated these issues intensely, ultimately lending broad support to Freeman's criticism."

At the end of the day, you've got to judge for yourself after reading. Given that I found her book Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies to be quite good, I find it hard to swallow the idea that her most famous work is one of the 50 worst books of the century.

I agree, though one really ought to read Freeman's critique of Mead as well. Personally, I found his arguments in his book *Dilthey's Dream* quite compelling. He meticulously analyzes Mead's time on the islands while she was gathering material for her seminal work. During that period, she wasn't actually speaking the local dialect; she was communicating with those who spoke English. Furthermore, she didn't reside within a traditional village, but rather in a settlement populated by white residents. Freeman, on the other hand, lived there, mastered the local language, and even worked as a teacher. He went so far as to be adopted into a local family. If you look at the biographies of both Mead and Freeman, it becomes clear that Freeman had a much deeper, more authentic connection to the native population than Mead did.
ruggedraven36 said:Interesting. I still can't track down her book, but I've read bits and pieces about it and Freeman's rebuttal.
https://www.wikiwand.com/sh/Margaret_Mead
Anyway, anthropologists are split on this. Not everyone buys Freeman's critique. Either way, it’s clearly a massive, influential work.

I'll pull a few quotes from the link provided.

"Margaret Mead conducted her research among a small group of girls in Samoa, an island chain in the South Pacific. The study mostly took place in a village of 600 people on the island of Ta‘ū, where Margaret Mead met, befriended, lived with, researched, and interviewed (via an interpreter) sixty-eight girls ranging from ages 9 to 20. She concluded that on Samoa, the transition from childhood to adulthood is a smooth shift, lacking the psychological or emotional stress, anxiety, or confusion typically seen in the United States."

To me, that conclusion actually holds water.

"After the initial heated debate, most anthropologists concluded that the absolute truth might never be known. On the flip side, many defended Mead against Freeman's critique, arguing that the informants had aged and might have forgotten the specifics of their interviews with Mead, or that they had converted to Christianity and felt ashamed of their past behavior. Others suggested that Samoan culture had changed in the interim, or that Christian missionaries had introduced a Puritanical morality to Samoa, leaving no room for the relaxed sexual standards that so shocked Americans when the book was released. Some even accuse Freeman of suffering from the same ethnocentric sexual puritanism that Boas and Mead once shocked. In 1983, the American Anthropological Association issued a statement labeling Freeman's book, Margaret Mead and Samoa, as 'poorly written, unscientific, irresponsible, and full of distortions.' In the following years, anthropologists debated these issues intensely, ultimately lending broad support to Freeman's criticism."

At the end of the day, you've got to judge for yourself after reading. Given that I found her book Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies to be quite good, I find it hard to swallow the idea that her most famous work is one of the 50 worst books of the century.

I haven't personally read *Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies*; it's in my library, but I'm not sure if I'll have the time to get to it. My departure from the US is approaching, and my workload is becoming quite heavy. However, keep in mind that the book was written seven years after *Margaret Mead and Samoa*. In those seven years, Mead undoubtedly matured significantly, both as a researcher and as a writer.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:👍

Most of the entries in this thread prove the point that we ourselves *are* the system.
We aren't just people living inside it; rather, it—and that is the real issue—lives inside us...
The system perpetuates itself by speaking through one person in one way, and through another in a different way. In some places, it reinforces itself through the mantra, "It could always be worse" (which essentially means things are fine, so don't make waves and show some gratitude; respect the status quo), while elsewhere it survives through memories of moments of wonder and awe that managed to slip through despite the system, yet they are tied back to it as if the system itself enabled or even generated them (implying, therefore, that it can't be that bad).
Ultimately, the system protects itself most effectively through loud, aggressive voices that call us back to abstractions like tradition, nation, or culture. These generalities are its foundations—its "subjects"—which it deems more significant than any individual living being. The system will always sacrifice life (the actual living being) for the sake of a record or a legacy, using the argument of permanence to justify such sacrifices.
A record, a legacy, a trace that outlasts time—that is the soul of the system. In this way, the system reveals itself to be nothing more than a detached ego. Only a detached ego (which is an illusion) cares about duration in time and space, because it knows deep down that it doesn't truly exist. It has no core, no spirit, no life of its own; so it must suck the life out of what is actually alive—the human being, the living, ever-changing, and self-renewing nature.

In truth, the system is an artificial construct, an "idol" born from the fear of vanishing.
(In *Course in Miracles*, it says something like "only an illusion has a need to defend itself," if I recall correctly...)

Of course, it applies to the government and everything else found in Popper's third world. Systems or states aren't some external objects sitting outside of us; they are ideas that manifest through our own actions. If the citizens of the United States were to vanish, the United States would vanish with them. If people disappeared, the entire educational system would simply cease to exist.

Systems, governments, and ideologies evolve by changing within us—shifting so that we stop upholding one idea and begin carrying out another, or perhaps something entirely different.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
ruggedraven36 said:By the way, since we’re already on the subject of upbringing and education—has anyone actually read Margaret Mead's "coming of age in Samoa"?

I only made it halfway through—right up to the part where she discusses the sexual lives of Samoan girls. She writes about these customs regarding free love, claiming that girls weren't expected to be virgins when they married and could explore relationships quite freely before marriage. It felt fundamentally illogical to me, so I went back to look at Freeman's critique of Mead.

In short, Mead was simply wrong. She was just a young student when she conducted that research, and she basically dedicated a single day to discussing sexual matters with two young girls. Since sex was an embarrassing and awkward topic for them, they essentially just joked around and agreed with whatever Mead wanted to hear.

"Coming of Age in Samoa" is frequently listed among the 50 worst books of the century.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:Just words....
😁

(I'm assuming you aren't implying you would have actually picked French in grade school if given the choice...? 😲🕺 ...English was the standard back then; trying to opt for French at that moment would have been a social suicide mission.)

Anyway, how are things?
🙂

As for me, I chose German over English in middle school, and I missed the mark completely. Why? Because English is the global language; knowing it means you can travel anywhere in the world. That isn't quite the case with German. Back in my day, schools offered a choice of three or four languages (English, German, French, Italian, Russian...) and those who needed more could attend a private language academy. We did have Phillips Academy, where they taught Ancient Greek and Latin. In my opinion—there was more than enough variety.

I made the wrong call, and I don't blame society for my poor decision. I chose based on my own very limited understanding of how the world works at the time.

My parents? My parents were products of their era. They lived in a time when traveling from a small town in the US Midwest to Washington, D.C. meant spending an entire day on the road. By horse and buggy, naturally. You’d head out in the morning, finish your business, and make it back by nightfall. My mother had completed through the fourth grade, and my father was a barber. After World War II, Marshall provided them the opportunity to further their education, allowing them to complete both middle and high school. But they grew up in an age of rigid borders, a time when people rarely ventured far from their hometowns.

Meanwhile, my daughter has spent years living across two different continents.........

Could my parents, as much as they loved me, truly have given their child sound advice?

copperhound12 said:I completely agree with your post. However, I just want to add one thing: it is crucial that one does not succumb to the pressures of the ruling establishment. School is that very instrument (it has been from the start); the mechanism of social control is latent, and its structure for monitoring and restraining young people is so powerful that, in a single moment, you can't even tell if it's being overt or subtle. But, as the author John Anthony Gill writes in his work "How to Conduct Social Research" this latent function isn't the only purpose of school, because we mustn't forget its spirit of discovery and knowledge:

"The importance and weight that these two functions held in relation to one another have shifted; originally, the primary function of school was education, while the other function (the oversight function), though present from the beginning, was less significant and less prominent. And conversely, in the current situation, due to greater pressure coming from the bottom up, the oversight function has increased immensely. But a correct analysis of schooling must not ignore its other function: the function of knowledge." (p. 228)

This is such an unserious, illiterate, and incomplete post. Do you really think Hekatonhir and the rest of the Hekatonhir family believe that any serious, insightful, and complex author provides an alternative without any scrutiny of their own arguments? That the core of their critique is nothing more than empty barking while the caravans pass by? No. I actually have a very important and instructive quote for you from the old, seasoned author V.I. Lenin:
"The fundamental law of revolution, which all three revolutions confirmed—most notably the Russian Revolution in the 20th century—consists of this: for a revolution to occur, it is not enough that the exploited and oppressed masses realize they cannot live in the old way and demand change; it is necessary that the exploiters can no longer live and govern in the old way."

And, to wrap up this post (otherwise I'll fall into an ad hominem logical fallacy), "they offer nothing"—they offer everything. If you don't believe me, read Francesca Basaglia and her "Negation of the Institution" where he abolished "asylums" in a neighboring country?

It’s all about the knowledge, the reading, the hands-on experience, and that ultimate realization...☕

Who, then, should shape the schools if not the ruling establishment? Who should decide what the curricula look like, or what children ought to learn... and haven't we, in a democracy, granted the ruling establishment the right to decide what our schools will be?

Every school is always an instrument of socialization. Catholic schools instill Catholic faith, Islamic schools instill Islam, schools in the former socialist states instilled socialist self-management, and today's schools instill the free market and capitalism....... you won't find a school today that emphasizes the benefits of socialist states. On the contrary, they will only highlight their failures.

copperhound12 said:I completely agree with your post. However, I just want to add one thing: it is crucial that one does not succumb to the pressures of the ruling establishment. School is that very instrument (it has been from the start); the mechanism of social control is latent, and its structure for monitoring and restraining young people is so powerful that, in a single moment, you can't even tell if it's being overt or subtle. But, as the author John Anthony Gill writes in his work "How to Conduct Social Research" this latent function isn't the only purpose of school, because we mustn't forget its spirit of discovery and knowledge:

"The importance and weight that these two functions held in relation to one another have shifted; originally, the primary function of school was education, while the other function (the oversight function), though present from the beginning, was less significant and less prominent. And conversely, in the current situation, due to greater pressure coming from the bottom up, the oversight function has increased immensely. But a correct analysis of schooling must not ignore its other function: the function of knowledge." (p. 228)

This is such an unserious, illiterate, and incomplete post. Do you really think Hekatonhir and the rest of the Hekatonhir family believe that any serious, insightful, and complex author provides an alternative without any scrutiny of their own arguments? That the core of their critique is nothing more than empty barking while the caravans pass by? No. I actually have a very important and instructive quote for you from the old, seasoned author V.I. Lenin:
"The fundamental law of revolution, which all three revolutions confirmed—most notably the Russian Revolution in the 20th century—consists of this: for a revolution to occur, it is not enough that the exploited and oppressed masses realize they cannot live in the old way and demand change; it is necessary that the exploiters can no longer live and govern in the old way."

And, to wrap up this post (otherwise I'll fall into an ad hominem logical fallacy), "they offer nothing"—they offer everything. If you don't believe me, read Francesca Basaglia and her "Negation of the Institution" where he abolished "asylums" in a neighboring country?

It’s all about the knowledge, the reading, the hands-on experience, and that ultimate realization...☕

The fundamental error we make is shifting the entire burden of responsibility onto schools while leaving absolutely nothing to the individual. If our goal is to cultivate strong individuals who aren't entirely dependent on society, then education becomes an individual duty rather than just a societal one.

At their core, schools should be conduits for passing down the collective knowledge of humanity to younger generations. But even there, we run into hurdles; for instance, certain religious groups may object to evolution being taught in the classroom, while atheists might push back against religious studies.

The sum of human knowledge is vast, far too large to be mastered in a single lifetime. Therefore, the school's role should be to foster—or at least not stifle—that innate hunger for learning and discovery.

Schools ought to aim at developing a whole person, not merely a worker. They should provide a broad foundation across all disciplines rather than focusing solely on vocational training.

From a social standpoint, the school’s job is to mold young people into productive members of the community, essentially preparing them for the workforce. Without that, society would collapse like a house of cards. It falls to children, working alongside their parents, to navigate the curriculum and extract what is most useful to them, helping them grow into both resilient individuals and valuable citizens. After all, you can only truly be a strong individual within the framework of a strong society.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
copperhound12 said:I guess... maybe I should just say it plainly: this whole thing is a mess. It’s honestly ridiculous how much people try to ignore what's right in front of them! You look at the way society functions—or tries to function—and you see these massive gaps between what we're told is "normal" and the actual reality we're living in every single day. It’s exhausting, really. It brings me back to Berger & Luckmann. If you actually bother to read their work on how we construct our sense of reality, you'd realize that most people are just drifting through a manufactured version of existence without a second thought. They aren't even questioning the structures around them! And don't even get me started on the social pressures involved. It's like everyone is just playing a role in a play they didn't even audition for, following these arbitrary rules just because "that's how it's done." And then you have people like R. Merton, who pointed out exactly how this leads to tension when the system promises one thing but fails to deliver another. We're told there's a path to success, a certain standard to meet, but the actual tools to get there? They aren't available to everyone. So what happens? People either break the rules or they just check out mentally. I mean, seriously, why is it so hard for people to grasp this? It’s not some deep, hidden conspiracy; it’s just basic sociology! But no, everyone wants to pretend everything is fine, staying tucked away in their little bubbles while the entire social fabric is fraying at the edges. It's maddening!
I suppose I should probably start by saying that I’ve been sitting here for quite some time, just staring at this screen, trying to make sense of the absolute chaos we’re witnessing. It’s frankly exhausting. I mean, maybe I’m being too dramatic, but I really don't think anyone else realizes how deep this goes. We are talking about the very fabric of our social reality—the way we perceive everything around us! It’s like what Berger & Luckmann talk about when they discuss how we construct our own little versions of the universe. We aren't just passive observers; we are actively building this world, brick by brick, through our interactions. And yet, people act like none of this matters. It’s infuriating! I guess some people are just content to drift through life without ever questioning the structures that hold them up. And don't even get me started on the institutional side of things. If you look at the way organizations function—you know, the kind of stuff R. Merton wrote about regarding how social structures can actually create unintended consequences—it becomes painfully obvious that the system isn't just broken; it's functioning exactly as it was designed to, which is arguably much worse. It’s a cycle. A continuous, maddening cycle. I saw copperhound12 making some points earlier, and while I might be wrong, I feel like they're missing the sheer scale of the sociological implications here. It’s not just about one specific policy or one single event in a city like Chicago or New York; it’s about the fundamental ways we socialize ourselves into these roles. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I honestly doubt anyone else is giving this the gravity it deserves. It’s all connected. Everything. kaže:
I mean, I suppose I agree, but I honestly feel like this is just a fundamental characteristic of society itself—it’s the kind of thing without which a society couldn't even exist in the first place.
Berger and Luckmann argue that there exists... I mean, let’s be honest here—it’s all about the primary stage. Everything starts there. Without that initial foundation, nothing else even matters. It’s the core, the absolute baseline. I guess you could say it’s the most essential part of the whole process, though some people might try to argue otherwise. But they're wrong. It's fundamental. Period. Primary socialization—you know, that whole formative period during childhood—and then secondary socialization, which kicks in once you're out in the world. Now, most experts actually agree that primary socialization is the heavy hitter here. It’s arguably more vital because it provides that foundational psychological...I suppose I should mention the windfall. It’s all quite overwhelming, really. A win. A massive, unexpected win. I don't know how to process it, or if I even should. One moment you're just going about your life, and the next, everything shifts. It's... well, it's a lot to take in. Maybe it's a blessing, maybe it's a curse. I guess we'll see.“ – The narrowing of choice. It’s happening right before our eyes, isn't it? I guess you could say we're being funneled into a corner where the illusion of freedom remains, but the actual options are vanishing. Everything feels increasingly curated, pre-packaged, and limited by forces we can barely see anymore. It’s frustrating, honestly. It’s essentially freeing the child from having to make those heavy decisions on their own.It all comes down to the decision, doesn't it? I mean, that's really the crux of the whole thing. One single choice can shift everything.Because it provides him with both psychological satisfaction and biological reinforcement at the exact same time. And that’s right where things start to get complicated. Institutionalization... I mean, where do we even begin with that one? It’s such a heavy, suffocating concept when you really start to peel back the layers. I guess what I'm trying to say is that once a process becomes institutionalized, it stops being about people and starts being about the machine itself. It becomes this rigid, unyielding structure that dictates how everything must function, regardless of whether those rules actually make sense anymore. It feels like we're constantly watching these massive, bureaucratic monoliths—think of something like the federal government or even a giant corporation like JPMorgan Chase—build these invisible walls around themselves. They create these set patterns, these "standard operating procedures," and then they cling to them with a death grip. Maybe it’s just my way of looking at things, but it feels incredibly stifling. You have these established norms that just become part of the very fabric of our social universe, and once they're baked in like that, changing them feels almost impossible. It's like trying to turn an aircraft carrier in a bathtub. It’s all just so deeply ingrained that the system begins to protect its own existence more than its actual purpose. It’s maddening, honestly.In its own right, that’s just how things work. It’s a fundamental characteristic of any society, and I mean, I really do agree with you there—but, if you ask me... I guess... maybe I should just say it: this is all wrong. It’s completely off base. Everything about this is just plain incorrect.I mean, look—every single defining characteristic of a society is mirrored right back at us through its culture. It’s all there. So, if we take a hard look at what kind of society we've built up to this point, I guess we have to face the music: we are staring directly at our own fundamental flaws.

I guess... maybe I should just say it plainly, though I hate to even open this can of worms. It’s honestly infuriating how much people miss the point. Everything feels so fractured lately, doesn't it? Like we're all just drifting through this massive, overwhelming universe without any real sense of direction or shared reality. It’s almost like what Berger & Luckmann were getting at—that whole idea about how we construct our own little worlds just to make sense of the chaos. But instead of building something meaningful, it feels like everyone is just shouting into their own private voids. We aren't even living in the same reality anymore! It’s exhausting. I mean, seriously, how are we supposed to function as a society when the very fabric of our social construction is being pulled apart by sheer ego and misinformation? I don't know. Maybe I'm just being cynical. Perhaps I'm overthinking the whole thing. But it's hard not to feel this way when you look at the state of things. It's just... it's a mess. A total, absolute mess. kaže:
Why on earth would anyone assume that social control is inherently a negative thing? I mean, seriously? It’s almost like people haven't thought this through at all. Is it even possible to wrap my head around the idea that a world without socialization would somehow be a better place to live? I highly doubt it, though maybe I'm being too cynical here. If we're talking about a total absence of social structure—where there's no mechanism to guide behavior or maintain order—we aren't looking at some kind of utopia. We're looking at absolute chaos. Without those guiding forces, how does a society even function? How do we establish any sense of shared reality? It feels like a massive leap to suggest that stripping away the very fabric that holds us together would result in anything other than a complete breakdown of civilization. I guess some people see "control" and immediately think "oppression," but they're missing the entire point of how human interaction actually works.

The world is absolutely starving for genuine socialization and a sense of community—it’s a fundamental necessity, really—but... I suppose I should probably address this, though I’m honestly not sure where to even begin with such a mess. It feels like we’re just spinning our wheels at this point, doesn't it? Maybe I'm being too harsh, but there’s just no way to look at the current situation without feeling a massive sense of frustration. It’s all incredibly disorganized, and frankly, it’s exhausting to keep up with. I guess what I'm trying to say—if I can even get my thoughts straight—is that the sheer lack of cohesion here is staggering. It's like everyone is operating on a completely different wavelength, and nobody is actually listening to the core issues. I mean, seriously, how are we supposed to make any real progress when the foundation is this shaky? It’s maddening! I find myself constantly questioning whether anyone actually cares about getting this right, or if we're all just going through the motions for the sake of it. It’s just... it's a lot. I really don't know. - Social control—it’s one of those concepts that people love to toss around in academic circles, but they rarely grasp how deeply it actually weaves itself into the fabric of our daily lives here in America. It isn't just some abstract theory you read about in a textbook; it is the very mechanism that keeps the gears of society turning, whether we realize it or not. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that social control is essentially the way a community maintains order and ensures everyone stays within the lines. It can be formal, like when the NYPD hands out a speeding ticket on a busy Manhattan street, or it can be informal, which is arguably much more pervasive. Think about that subtle, judgmental look you get from a neighbor when you park your car slightly over the line, or the quiet disapproval felt when someone violates an unwritten rule at a local diner in Chicago. Those little nudges, those micro-pressures to conform to the status quo, they are everywhere. It's a constant tug-of-war between individual agency and the collective expectation. We all like to think we are totally autonomous, making our own choices regardless of what anyone thinks, but maybe that's a bit of an illusion. Most of us are constantly adjusting our behavior based on the perceived expectations of the people around us. We follow the rules not just because there's a law against breaking them, but because we don't want to deal with the social fallout of being the "outlier." It’s a heavy thought, honestly, but it’s the reality of how we function as a society. Is this some kind of police overreach, or just blatant political maneuvering? I honestly can't tell anymore. I mean, seriously? Is that it? Just... "zbilje"? I guess that’s all we're doing now. Just throwing out random, half-baked fragments and expecting someone to make sense of it. It’s honestly exhausting. Maybe if people actually put some effort into their thoughts before hitting send, we wouldn't be stuck in this endless cycle of nothingness. I don't know, I just feel like we're spinning our wheels here.It basically boils down to this: reality is defined—and what we consider to be "truth" is manufactured—exactly how the ruling structures of any given society decide to package it and hand it to us.

I guess... maybe if we actually look at what Berger & Luckmann were trying to get at here, things might start making sense? I mean, honestly, it’s almost frustrating how much people miss the point when they talk about the social construction of reality. It’s not just some abstract theory you toss around in a college seminar; it's the very fabric of how we exist! When you consider the way the universe is structured through our shared interactions, it becomes clear that nothing exists in a vacuum. Every single thing we perceive is filtered through these layers of institutionalized meaning. And don't even get me started on how people try to simplify this. You can't just strip away the complexity without losing the entire essence of the argument. It’s maddening! If we apply what R. Merton discussed regarding social structures, you see that the tension isn't just accidental—it's baked into the system itself. We are constantly navigating these invisible boundaries that dictate what is considered "normal" or "real." I suppose it's easy to ignore that when you're just coasting through life, but for those of us actually paying attention, it's impossible to unsee. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I highly doubt anyone else is being this thorough.
I mean, you have to consider Berger & Luckmann.
Where on earth are Berger & Luckmann? They’re just quoting the pop singer now.t: I guess... if you look at how society’s conceptual machinery actually functions, it seems designed to force everyone—the primary actors, the ones actually living through it—to stay trapped within these rigid institutional definitions. It’s like they’re constantly being funneled back into the pre-set lanes, isn't it? I mean, seriously, does anyone actually escape those boundaries? Or is the whole system just rigged to ensure we all stay exactly where the institutions say we belong?
What on earth is that sentence even supposed to mean? Does it actually make any sense at all, or am I just losing my mind here?
Part 2 (Legitimation) – Section (pages 127-139) under the heading: The Conceptual Machinery for Maintaining the Universe ( nisam naveo citat ali sam parafrazirao navode)

R. Merton falls squarely into the functionalist camp. It’s important to recognize that functionalism operates on an entirely different theoretical foundation than the interactionist paradigm—they aren't even playing the same game, really.
Look, I don't know how many times I have to say this, but the fundamental logic here is just... it's flawed. Because these two theoretical paradigms are built on entirely different foundations, they simply cannot complement one another. I mean, think about it—if they actually did complement each other, then we wouldn't be talking about two distinct theoretical paradigms anymore, would we? They would just merge into one single, unified theoretical paradigm. It’s basic structural logic, really.

That isn't even an actual answer to my question: I mean, come on—is it actually against the rules to mix and match different theories just to build a solid, valid argument?

How does one even begin to define a concept? I mean, really think about it. It’s such a heavy, sweeping question, isn't it? I guess you could try to pin it down, but honestly, defining anything feels like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands. Maybe there's a way to do it that actually makes sense, but most of the time, we just end up circling around the same tired ideas without ever truly grasping the essence of what we're discussing. It's frustrating, quite frankly. You start with one idea, and before you know it, the definition has shifted, morphed, or just completely dissolved into something else entirely. I suppose it depends on how much rigor you're willing to apply, though I suspect most people just settle for whatever convenient label fits the moment. Desires. Just... desires. It’s a heavy word, isn't it? I guess if you really sit down and think about it, everything we do—every single move we make in this life—is driven by some underlying craving or some deep-seated longing. Maybe it's for success, maybe it's for connection, or maybe it's just that restless feeling that what we have right now isn't quite enough. I mean, honestly, where does it stop? You chase one thing, you grab it, and then suddenly there's this new void, this new hunger. It feels like a cycle that never actually ends. I don't know, maybe I'm being too cynical, but it seems like we're all just perpetually reaching for something that stays just out of our grasp.What exactly are we even talking about here? What is longing, really? Is it just some fleeting emotion? I mean, just like any other feeling, longing—for what, exactly?—is going to manifest itself differently in every single individual. It’s not a one-size-fits-all kind of thing. And then you have to consider the real question: who is actually going to trigger that sense of longing in children, and in what kind of way will that desire actually present itself? It's a complicated mess, I guess.

I figured I’d just leave this one for last. ☕
„Longing. Or maybe more accurately, this relentless, gnawing craving that just won't quit. It’s hard to put a finger on exactly what it is, I guess, but it’s always there, isn't it? This constant pull toward something—or someone—that feels just out of reach. It’s like this deep-seated hunger that stays unsatisfied no matter how much you try to fill the void. Maybe it's just part of being human, though I find the whole thing incredibly exhausting. It’s an ache, really. A persistent, driving force that shapes everything we do, even when we don't want it to.A structured destabilizer. per excellenceAt its absolute core, first and foremost, this concept places the human being right at the center—the individual who expresses themselves and through whom expression actually happens. It speaks directly to our needs and uses our own language. It’s essentially a search for purpose. While the social structure constantly tries to impose this rigid sense of determinism on us, the human element remains inherently unpredictable; we have this knack for dodging or bridging over whatever structural hurdles get thrown our way. Even when the system is designed to force us into automatic isolation and closed-off silos, the human spirit works to open us back up to the world. This deep-seated longing carries an immense amount of energy, which means those internal fluctuations are incredibly difficult to suppress.

And on the very last page of their doctoral dissertation, both the subject and the author make a point to emphasize: Is there actually anything left out there that can truly capture what remains of our lives?

I concur that socialization is a lifelong process, spanning from infancy until death. I also agree with the distinction between primary and secondary socialization, particularly because children differ from adults in their sheer lack of knowledge. Through socialization, children absorb the norms and rules of the society they live in, doing so without much critique simply because they lack the framework required to be critical. Of course, even in early childhood, children occasionally push back—first through crying, then with a defiant "*no*"—but aside from saying "I want" versus "I won't," children aren't really capable of offering a viable alternative.

During adolescence, as knowledge and comprehension expand, we see the rise of teenage rebellion. Kids begin choosing different behaviors, though even this is usually just another form of socialization; the only difference is that they are now attempting to socialize with the social groups they actually care about.

As for institutionalization? I’m not entirely sure if socialization can even exist without it.

It is worth noting that today's social norms are incomparably looser than those of previous generations. They offer more freedom and allow for the expression of individuality while still permitting membership in a social group. In the past, violating social norms could cost a member their standing in the community, or even their life.

Is it possible for social rules to become even more relaxed in the future? I suspect so, though I don't think it truly matters.

What matters is that a member of society adopts its rules through free will—that they understand why those rules are beneficial and, most importantly, that those rules facilitate their full development.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:
"A school that isn't a playground is a failure of a school. Sadly, teacherly dignity often ends up killing any sense of fun. I once had a teacher take offense just because a student called him a damn fool.
'Look,' I told him, 'I’ve had five or six kids trailing behind me all morning shouting, "Neil, Neil crocodile!" Do you really think I should be clinging to my dignity and taking offense at that?'"

(S. Neill, founder of Summerhill, a progressive school where play comes first and academics are optional)

The whole concept of authority is debatable.
You can't force authority or "respect," just like you can't force love. When schools demand respect based on someone's "knowledge" or "experience," what they usually get is
an imitation of respect. Instead, they foster hypocrisy and pretension in children—a fundamental split between what they think and feel versus how they speak and act. This process produces hypocritical adults who are terrified of facing consequences if they dare to be authentic rather than socially compliant. They learn to choose social conformity over integrity, which is the alignment of emotion, thought, and action, simply to serve some vague notion of the "common good"—a term used to justify whatever imaginary standard this particular society deems necessary.

As for pure factual knowledge—which is arguably the least interesting part of education—it is readily available to any tech-literate individual in our current technological society. The need to rote-memorize data has essentially vanished. Yet, despite having access to advanced technology and artificial intelligence, modern schools remain obsessed with data memorization and drilling students with socially desirable lessons and behavioral instructions. It is hardly surprising, then, that the very children produced by this system invented artificial intelligence, which many now view with hope as the "future of humanity." After all, AI perfectly mirrors the exact qualities rewarded in our education system: the faithful imitation of data and unwavering obedience to programmed inputs. The core of domestic schooling is the worship of others' egos, the submission to others' thoughts and emotions, and the systematic suppression of one's own identity and authenticity. It is a process of severing oneself from one's own soul—at least, that's my observation. I haven't looked into other places, though I hear things might be different in Scandinavia.

Have you truly never been that wide-eyed kid, sitting there listening intently to a teacher who seemed to hold the answer to every single question you could dream up? Someone who felt like they possessed all the knowledge in the world?

Never looked up to a professor who knew so much that it felt like you might never be able to grasp or memorize even a fraction of what they were teaching?

Or maybe never admired an instructor who actually understood how the world works and why people behave the way they do?

I certainly have. For me, those teachers held authority because of their intellect; they didn't demand it, they earned it through years of grueling study and hard work. They were my role models, and I wanted to understand the world just as deeply as they did.
Sandra Murphy33 said:
"A school that isn't a playground is a failure of a school. Sadly, teacherly dignity often ends up killing any sense of fun. I once had a teacher take offense just because a student called him a damn fool.
'Look,' I told him, 'I’ve had five or six kids trailing behind me all morning shouting, "Neil, Neil crocodile!" Do you really think I should be clinging to my dignity and taking offense at that?'"

(S. Neill, founder of Summerhill, a progressive school where play comes first and academics are optional)

The whole concept of authority is debatable.
You can't force authority or "respect," just like you can't force love. When schools demand respect based on someone's "knowledge" or "experience," what they usually get is
an imitation of respect. Instead, they foster hypocrisy and pretension in children—a fundamental split between what they think and feel versus how they speak and act. This process produces hypocritical adults who are terrified of facing consequences if they dare to be authentic rather than socially compliant. They learn to choose social conformity over integrity, which is the alignment of emotion, thought, and action, simply to serve some vague notion of the "common good"—a term used to justify whatever imaginary standard this particular society deems necessary.

As for pure factual knowledge—which is arguably the least interesting part of education—it is readily available to any tech-literate individual in our current technological society. The need to rote-memorize data has essentially vanished. Yet, despite having access to advanced technology and artificial intelligence, modern schools remain obsessed with data memorization and drilling students with socially desirable lessons and behavioral instructions. It is hardly surprising, then, that the very children produced by this system invented artificial intelligence, which many now view with hope as the "future of humanity." After all, AI perfectly mirrors the exact qualities rewarded in our education system: the faithful imitation of data and unwavering obedience to programmed inputs. The core of domestic schooling is the worship of others' egos, the submission to others' thoughts and emotions, and the systematic suppression of one's own identity and authenticity. It is a process of severing oneself from one's own soul—at least, that's my observation. I haven't looked into other places, though I hear things might be different in Scandinavia.

The school system exists to ensure that the people standing at the front of the classroom are qualified professionals who have actually mastered their subjects and possess the ability to teach them. It's a far cry from YouTube, where anyone—including people with serious mental health issues or complete lack of credentials—can claim to be an educator.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
wearyharbor41 said:The issue is that there is a distinct lack of practical knowledge being imparted here—things like basic health, how the American government functions, or our fundamental rights, for instance.

I don't wish to be repetitive, so if you're interested, feel free to review my previous contributions to this thread or others; I leave that entirely up to you.

Beyond literacy and basic mathematics, one could approach this in a more humane way—the kind of way you might prefer to be treated yourself. Instead of maintaining the status quo, we could provide stimulating presentations that allow for free will. From an economic standpoint, rather than dedicating all those funds to professor salaries, we could utilize audio/video materials and computer programming, then reinvest those savings into legitimate science and education, as well as protecting the legal system and healthcare as fundamental human rights.

It is a topic far too vast and deep to exhaust here. What matters is the underlying principle.

I disagree. Every bit of knowledge has value; there is no such thing as "useless" information. I personally have always loved learning, and I don't view it as a form of coercion. True coercion is something else entirely. It’s when the opportunity to learn is stripped away—like girls being barred from going to school in certain Islamic states, or children in parts of Africa who simply can't access classrooms because they can't afford them. That is what real coercion looks like.

wearyharbor41 said:The issue is that there is a distinct lack of practical knowledge being imparted here—things like basic health, how the American government functions, or our fundamental rights, for instance.

I don't wish to be repetitive, so if you're interested, feel free to review my previous contributions to this thread or others; I leave that entirely up to you.

Beyond literacy and basic mathematics, one could approach this in a more humane way—the kind of way you might prefer to be treated yourself. Instead of maintaining the status quo, we could provide stimulating presentations that allow for free will. From an economic standpoint, rather than dedicating all those funds to professor salaries, we could utilize audio/video materials and computer programming, then reinvest those savings into legitimate science and education, as well as protecting the legal system and healthcare as fundamental human rights.

It is a topic far too vast and deep to exhaust here. What matters is the underlying principle.


A "humane" approach? In my experience, schools have always attempted to act humanely, and universities certainly aim for respect.

You mentioned health and medicine. To become a doctor, watching a few documentaries isn't nearly enough. It requires systematic, daily, years-long study—the absorption and memorization of vast amounts of data across various scientific disciplines: geology, geography, biology... even sociology and psychology.

Achieving that level of mastery is impossible without a degree of coercion or self-discipline. This rule doesn't just apply to medicine; it applies to every field of science.

copperhound12 said:-------------------

And you think you have some sort of valid point when you attack me personally? Calling my arguments "ad hominem" is just a weak, unprovable deflection on your part.☕

I do respect your points. However, they are manifestly obvious, superficial, and lack depth. Education and upbringing are meant to shape students, and that responsibility falls on authoritative teachers. Robert K. Merton was a renowned author and sociologist who always sought to investigate latent motives. Because those hidden drivers are far more significant when it comes to the institutionalization of any organization or institution—and believe me, they exist here too. So, what are they?

I'm not going to sit here and list every single narrative for you, but basically, most of what I've read can be found in the works published here in America, such as "The Negation of Institution" by Franc Basaglia, and "The Social Construction of Reality" by Peter Berger and Thomas Luckmann.

To put it bluntly, the conceptual machinery of society demands a social reality that is acceptable and suitable to itself. It then INSTITUTIONALIZES that reality. Every phenomenon and every specific arrangement falls under the umbrella of social control. To me, that is the only legitimate, serious argument that truly touches upon anthropology, sociology, and philosophy.

"A child does not internalize the world of significant others as one of many possible worlds; they internalize it as the only existing and only understandable world. This is precisely why the world internalized during primary socialization is embedded much more deeply than the worlds internalized during secondary socialization. (Peter Berger and Thomas Luckmann, p. 161, "The Social Construction of Reality")"

I agree, though I would argue that this is a fundamental characteristic of any society—that without it, a society cannot even exist.

ruggedraven36 said:I hadn't heard that, but I'll probably pick it up when I get a chance. I read her book *sex and temperament in three primitive societies* a long time ago and actually found it pretty interesting—figured this one might be just as engaging.

*Coming of Age in Samoa* was what I picked up at the library this past Saturday. I've managed to get through about a third of it, and honestly, I'm not entirely sold yet. She describes how boys and girls are raised in Samoan society, but it doesn't feel very systematic; it feels more like a laundry list of behaviors and rules for each gender. That said, there might be a proper synthesis toward the end, so I’ll withhold my final verdict until I finish the whole thing. Once I'm done, I plan to revisit Freeman and his critique of M. Mead. I've always found Freeman to be an excellent writer, but you really need to hear both sides of the argument before forming a solid conclusion.

What struck me most was the way childcare works in Samoa. Mothers entrust their young children to slightly older girls—meaning five-year-olds look after toddlers, seven-year-olds watch the younger ones, and so on. Compared to modern American society... I simply can't wrap my head around the idea of leaving a one-year-old in the care of a five-year-old. Yet, there, it's just a standard part of daily life.
Church and State: The "Sacramental Engineering" Case in Close to Politics ·
wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Of course. That’s been the playbook since the dawn of organized government—roughly five thousand years of history right there.

wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
In today's society, nobody is actually stopping you from living your own way. Buy a Bible, read the Bible, or pick up any other religious text; live how you want, dress how you want... just don't try to force everyone else to follow your lead.

wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
If you fail to grasp the fundamental role schools play in human civilization, or their specific function in a modern society, then I fear you lack a basic understanding of what a human society actually is, how it operates, or why it must function this way.
wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Well, obviously religion is intertwined with the state. It couldn't have functioned any other way. In more decentralized, cellular societies, the connection between religion and the state weakens, and if humanity continues on its current trajectory of development, those ties will eventually vanish entirely.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
Eric Newman75 said:You didn't misunderstand him at all. In fact, he aggressively forces his own agenda by circling back to the same tired talking points every single time the conversation tries to go somewhere interesting. This forum isn't a sounding board for that. He literally just finished explaining the exact same thing over on Philosophy. He's even got two threads going about elementary education over on Law, which anyone can easily verify. He loves playing this part where he pretends to be some sort of progressive visionary when, to be blunt, he's just being "controversial" for the sake of it. This isn't even the first time I've had to wade through his incoherent ramblings.

If I were to pose a question to him and his circle of followers, it would be this:

Imagine if society collectively decided that children didn't need schooling and all schools were abolished overnight. What would the world look like thirty years later? Who would maintain our technology, who would understand manufacturing processes, who would manage agriculture or livestock, or know how to repair buildings, bridges, and cars? Who would build new infrastructure, or manage satellites and space travel?

ruggedraven36 said:By the way, since we’re already on the subject of upbringing and education—has anyone actually read Margaret Mead's "coming of age in Samoa"?

I haven't read that one, but I have read Dilthey's dream regarding Derek Freeman. Freeman critiques *maturation on Samo*, arguing that the book was based on field research that wasn't conducted properly. To put it simply, from what I recall, Mead didn't conduct the fieldwork herself; instead, she sent a young researcher who had a poor grasp of the native language, leading to several flawed conclusions.

You've piqued my interest, so I'll dig out Dilthey's dream again—I have it on my shelf—and I'll try to get through *maturation on Samo* if I find the time. If I stumble upon anything interesting while reading, I'll post an update.

copperhound12 said:One of the fundamental premises in the doctoral dissertation by Isidor Grahorac (since he actually sent me a copy of his dissertation) is the well-known fact that students address their teachers using formal pronouns—using "Sir" or "Ma'am"—instead of being casual. This concept is found at the very beginning of every study on Black pedagogy. By vocation, the student is positioned "below" the teacher, but he advocates for the thesis that this relationship should be reversible—meaning, equal. Friendship is available to everyone: both to the teachers and to the students.

They have issues here, but they aren't quite what you imagine them to be.

"Hidden" curriculum is a core component of every public school. One of the central tenets is that competition is permitted and encouraged for everyone. Students raise two fingers when they know an answer, effectively nullifying those who don't.

And this idea that "they-aren't-what-you-think-they-are" is actually a hidden code. Because the "rulers"—those in control—want it exactly that way. Simply because it's cheap.

Schools prepare children for life in a society, and in society, hierarchy definitely exists. They aren't going to walk up to their boss at work and say: *Hey, you, I'm heading out to lunch, write this down...*, nor will they speak to the CEO of a major corporation that way.

In any classroom, teachers serve as the primary authority figures, grounded in their expertise—regardless of how deep that knowledge goes, they inherently possess more than the student. Because of this, students ought to learn the value of showing them respect.

From my perspective, however, the reality within our American schools and the broader society is quite the opposite; there is a fundamental lack of respect. Both students and their parents frequently fail to show teachers the deference they deserve.
Freedom and Education in Philosophy ·
ruggedraven36 said:Let's be real—school is basically just a factory designed to churn out future employees.

It’s always been this way. It’s really just a matter of time before we see a school that actually focuses on shaping people rather than just processing them.

If you step back and look at schooling through a wider lens, it’s really just a mechanism for passing down essential knowledge from one generation to the next. When you view it that way, it becomes clear that we are simply teaching children the specific skills they need to survive and thrive in their particular environment. A child growing up in a tribe within the Amazon Rainforest is going to learn how to forage for food and steer clear of venomous creatures in the jungle. A kid raised on a farm in rural Nebraska will be taught the nuances of tending crops and managing livestock. Meanwhile, an American child is being conditioned with the specific set of tools required to navigate the modern job market.

I can’t say for certain what the current landscape looks like, but back in the day, there were certain types of high schools that operated under a completely different philosophy. Their primary goal wasn't to churn out workers ready for the job market; instead, they focused on providing a deep, broad-based liberal arts education designed to prepare students for the rigors of university life.

Human knowledge today is incredibly vast, almost overwhelming. But honestly, just having information sitting there in books or tucked away on a hard drive isn't enough to make it useful. For knowledge to actually matter, it needs to be materialized—it has to move from the page into our own minds, becoming part of how we think and act. It’s only when we truly internalize what we've learned and begin implementing it into our daily lives that it gains any real value.
I don't quite follow where you were going with that, Nea. You cut off mid-sentence. If there was something specific on your mind regarding our previous discussion, please feel free to elaborate. I'm listening. kaže:
By the way, illiteracy is also something being cultivated right within our own school systems, where the curricula are dictated from the top down by the federal government. Because these programs shift constantly to suit whatever political winds happen to be blowing at the moment, what we call "education" is essentially just a mechanism for manipulation—it’s more about programming children's brains than providing them with any kind of genuine, meaningful learning.

It’s certainly necessary to take a hard look at how our education system functions today—whether we're talking about the schools here in the States, across the European Union, or anywhere else on the map. But if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it seems our esteemed colleague over there actually wants to abolish schools entirely. Please feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted his position.
Church and State: The "Sacramental Engineering" Case in Close to Politics ·
wearyharbor41 said:How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.

How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.
Lawrence Rodriguez11 said:Now, I never actually attended UC Berkeley myself, so I can't speak from firsthand experience. However, based on my conversations with people who have studied there—or are currently studying there—as well as listening to various public figures who came out of those halls, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is a pretty strong sense of groupthink prevailing there.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Church and State: The "Sacramental Engineering" Case in Close to Politics ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:I suppose you mean the evidence that drove Nikola Kuzanski, a cardinal in the Catholic Church, then Copernicus, a priest, and then Kepler, who was also a priest, to map out planetary motion...

A fascinating read on "Institutionalized Ideological Corruption in Academia" would be something regarding how those French quasi-Enlightenment types—basically propaganda agents for the revolution—spread lies and misinformation about the Ancien regime and specifically the Catholic Church, work which eventually paved the way for cultural Marxism...

The evidence is right there in the roughly twenty IPCC reports from the last 35 years. Each one involved hundreds of climatologists—people who have basically dedicated their entire lives to studying climate—and these reports are built on thousands of scientific papers. Every single one includes a "non-technical summary" meant to be accessible to an educated layperson.

The only issue, I guess, is that this still hasn't been confirmed as scientific theory; it's more like a massive collection of unverified quasi-scientific hypotheses—the latest being that 'Hockey' stick,'
ps
We're talking about the impact of anthropogenic CO2 as the primary driver of climate change...

But no, that’s too complicated. We just want a simple answer, something like, "Well, it says so in the Bible."

Yeah, I suspect the other side would love nothing more than having interlocutors like that, just so they can mock them.
It’s inconvenient when people actually know things and start asking uncomfortable questions or presenting an uncomfortable truth.

Anyway, you're drifting off-topic here.

Are posts only allowed if they involve spitting on the FBI, because any work that isn't 'kosher' with the globalist progressive cabal is forbidden?

Work like this should never have been accepted in an engineering program. It just shows how truly broken the criteria have become. I could probably, with a little effort, write a paper on a "pandemic apocalypse in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that would be a literary theory paper, not a medical one.

Would there be nearly as much of an uproar if someone wrote an engineering thesis on a 'feminist' topic—like, "a woman in the history of engineering"?

Absolutely. But that’s a topic for a history department, not an engineering faculty. You could certainly pull off a thesis in the history of technology titled: A Historical Survey of Machine Development with an Emphasis on Female Inventors.

Timothy Nelson5 said:In other words, I guess no actual scientist should really be ruling out the possibility that some "higher" entity designed the entire universe—one that we tiny little humans might assign divine attributes to, just because it makes sense practically?🤔

Setting aside the debate over how many Catholics are actually out there, the Catholic Church has been acknowledging the theory of evolution since somewhere around the middle of the last century.

It was an article in a theological journal, written by people with master's and doctoral degrees in theology. Right in the opening sentence, they treat the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. They don't question it at all. In fact, they warn that trying to deny it while promoting faith is a massive mistake.

If you look at the Bible stories regarding creation through a broad, metaphorical lens, nothing is actually in conflict with evolutionary theory.


The theory of evolution doesn't require validation from the Bible (it has been corroborated by countless scientific disciplines), but the Bible requires validation from the theory of evolution. That isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, though; believers will always *find evidence* to prove their holy book is correct.
Timothy Nelson5 said:I suppose you mean the evidence that drove Nikola Kuzanski, a cardinal in the Catholic Church, then Copernicus, a priest, and then Kepler, who was also a priest, to map out planetary motion...

A fascinating read on "Institutionalized Ideological Corruption in Academia" would be something regarding how those French quasi-Enlightenment types—basically propaganda agents for the revolution—spread lies and misinformation about the Ancien regime and specifically the Catholic Church, work which eventually paved the way for cultural Marxism...

The evidence is right there in the roughly twenty IPCC reports from the last 35 years. Each one involved hundreds of climatologists—people who have basically dedicated their entire lives to studying climate—and these reports are built on thousands of scientific papers. Every single one includes a "non-technical summary" meant to be accessible to an educated layperson.

The only issue, I guess, is that this still hasn't been confirmed as scientific theory; it's more like a massive collection of unverified quasi-scientific hypotheses—the latest being that 'Hockey' stick,'
ps
We're talking about the impact of anthropogenic CO2 as the primary driver of climate change...

But no, that’s too complicated. We just want a simple answer, something like, "Well, it says so in the Bible."

Yeah, I suspect the other side would love nothing more than having interlocutors like that, just so they can mock them.
It’s inconvenient when people actually know things and start asking uncomfortable questions or presenting an uncomfortable truth.

Anyway, you're drifting off-topic here.

Are posts only allowed if they involve spitting on the FBI, because any work that isn't 'kosher' with the globalist progressive cabal is forbidden?

Work like this should never have been accepted in an engineering program. It just shows how truly broken the criteria have become. I could probably, with a little effort, write a paper on a "pandemic apocalypse in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that would be a literary theory paper, not a medical one.

Would there be nearly as much of an uproar if someone wrote an engineering thesis on a 'feminist' topic—like, "a woman in the history of engineering"?

Have you ever heard the term "prior knowledge"? It implies that the person you are explaining something to must already possess a certain baseline of understanding in that field. Naturally, the more complex the subject matter, the greater that prerequisite knowledge needs to be.

In short, you don't try to explain square roots to a child who hasn't even mastered multiplication yet. This is why education is structured sequentially; biology is taught in middle school and then again in high school, where the curriculum builds directly upon the foundations laid during those earlier years.

However, YouTube experts don't need schools; they've essentially earned their PhDs by watching a handful of video clips.
Church and State: The "Sacramental Engineering" Case in Close to Politics ·
Rebecca Diaz said:They don't ban things openly; they do it subtly. I'm saying the exact same thing to you as a person of faith.
Kids are being taught they evolved from monkeys, that everything came from nothing, and how to use condoms.

Claiming that this kind of education in a country where the vast majority are Catholic isn't a "ban" just because it isn't written in a law book is incredibly naive.
It’s a calculated attempt to wipe out traditional values and promote degeneracy. 😠

Nobody is actually claiming humans descended directly from monkeys; I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the concept, much like so many others. Biological evolution is a remarkably straightforward, logical theory, and frankly, I find it baffling that people struggle to grasp it. It seems our public school system is in a state of total failure if it can't even convey these basic principles to students effectively.

Rebecca Diaz said:They don't ban things openly; they do it subtly. I'm saying the exact same thing to you as a person of faith.
Kids are being taught they evolved from monkeys, that everything came from nothing, and how to use condoms.

Claiming that this kind of education in a country where the vast majority are Catholic isn't a "ban" just because it isn't written in a law book is incredibly naive.
It’s a calculated attempt to wipe out traditional values and promote degeneracy. 😠

The United States is a secular nation, and schools, as government institutions, are required to remain secular. If we were to ban the teaching of evolution in classrooms, we wouldn't have biologists, zoologists, doctors, or biochemists left.
Rebecca Diaz said:They don't ban things openly; they do it subtly. I'm saying the exact same thing to you as a person of faith.
Kids are being taught they evolved from monkeys, that everything came from nothing, and how to use condoms.

Claiming that this kind of education in a country where the vast majority are Catholic isn't a "ban" just because it isn't written in a law book is incredibly naive.
It’s a calculated attempt to wipe out traditional values and promote degeneracy. 😠

And yet, here you are, advocating for the suppression of science within our schools—all while posting on the internet in the 21st century. What absolute chaos.
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placidnomad87 said:You simply cannot claim to be studying astrophysics while simultaneously insisting that nothing exists beyond mere coincidence or random physical phenomena. We talk about the Big Bang, yet so many theories regarding black holes remain nothing more than educated guesses rather than established facts. Doesn't that inherently suggest there is a deeper mystery waiting to be uncovered? In school, we are taught to accept certain things as absolute truth, but is that really the whole story?

I constantly run into atheists who insist on clinging strictly to "the evidence," yet when I turn the tables and ask them where the definitive proof lies that CO2 is the primary driver of climate change, they just stare at me blankly, completely lost.

Whether someone identifies as an atheist or a believer—and let’s be clear, it doesn't even have to be about religion—everyone seems to love throwing around the phrase "scientific fact" as if it were an unbeatable shield. I see it in the news all the time; it's as if journalists have suddenly become world-class experts in every single field imaginable😁 At this point, we have to realize that the word "fact" itself has been turned into a bit of a joke.

That isn't what physics is about. Physics deals with physical phenomena and laws. Whether God exists or not simply isn't within the scope of physics.

placidnomad87 said:You simply cannot claim to be studying astrophysics while simultaneously insisting that nothing exists beyond mere coincidence or random physical phenomena. We talk about the Big Bang, yet so many theories regarding black holes remain nothing more than educated guesses rather than established facts. Doesn't that inherently suggest there is a deeper mystery waiting to be uncovered? In school, we are taught to accept certain things as absolute truth, but is that really the whole story?

I constantly run into atheists who insist on clinging strictly to "the evidence," yet when I turn the tables and ask them where the definitive proof lies that CO2 is the primary driver of climate change, they just stare at me blankly, completely lost.

Whether someone identifies as an atheist or a believer—and let’s be clear, it doesn't even have to be about religion—everyone seems to love throwing around the phrase "scientific fact" as if it were an unbeatable shield. I see it in the news all the time; it's as if journalists have suddenly become world-class experts in every single field imaginable😁 At this point, we have to realize that the word "fact" itself has been turned into a bit of a joke.

Schools ought to be teaching children the actual definition of a scientific theory. If they aren't doing that, then our education system is in a truly dire state.
placidnomad87 said:You simply cannot claim to be studying astrophysics while simultaneously insisting that nothing exists beyond mere coincidence or random physical phenomena. We talk about the Big Bang, yet so many theories regarding black holes remain nothing more than educated guesses rather than established facts. Doesn't that inherently suggest there is a deeper mystery waiting to be uncovered? In school, we are taught to accept certain things as absolute truth, but is that really the whole story?

I constantly run into atheists who insist on clinging strictly to "the evidence," yet when I turn the tables and ask them where the definitive proof lies that CO2 is the primary driver of climate change, they just stare at me blankly, completely lost.

Whether someone identifies as an atheist or a believer—and let’s be clear, it doesn't even have to be about religion—everyone seems to love throwing around the phrase "scientific fact" as if it were an unbeatable shield. I see it in the news all the time; it's as if journalists have suddenly become world-class experts in every single field imaginable😁 At this point, we have to realize that the word "fact" itself has been turned into a bit of a joke.

Of course they stare blankly. That's a question you can only answer by talking to someone who has spent decades researching climate science—someone deeply versed in physics, mathematics, and countless other disciplines. Only the completely uninformed believe that scientific expertise can be acquired with a few mouse clicks and then debated over a beer at a local pub.

placidnomad87 said:You simply cannot claim to be studying astrophysics while simultaneously insisting that nothing exists beyond mere coincidence or random physical phenomena. We talk about the Big Bang, yet so many theories regarding black holes remain nothing more than educated guesses rather than established facts. Doesn't that inherently suggest there is a deeper mystery waiting to be uncovered? In school, we are taught to accept certain things as absolute truth, but is that really the whole story?

I constantly run into atheists who insist on clinging strictly to "the evidence," yet when I turn the tables and ask them where the definitive proof lies that CO2 is the primary driver of climate change, they just stare at me blankly, completely lost.

Whether someone identifies as an atheist or a believer—and let’s be clear, it doesn't even have to be about religion—everyone seems to love throwing around the phrase "scientific fact" as if it were an unbeatable shield. I see it in the news all the time; it's as if journalists have suddenly become world-class experts in every single field imaginable😁 At this point, we have to realize that the word "fact" itself has been turned into a bit of a joke.

Journalists are experts in one thing: journalism. They are not scientists, nor are they experts in the sciences. And naturally, this version of "science" has become a mockery because it isn't even science. But the real joke is the person who actually believes it is.

True knowledge, true science, and genuine expertise in any field cannot exist without years of daily, dedicated immersion in that specific area of study.
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Lawrence Rodriguez11 said:My personal take on philosophy is mine alone and doesn't really have anything to do with this specific point. What I was actually trying to get at is that a huge number of graduates from the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences hold these pretty terrible views that mirror the irrational and immoral attitudes currently spreading throughout the world.

That’s your assessment of modern society, not necessarily a critique of the discipline itself. Philosophy and science both teach us that everything warrants scrutiny, so perhaps you should turn that lens inward. Question how you arrived at these convictions, whether they truly hold water, and make an effort to engage with opposing perspectives. Try to understand why others see things differently, who shaped your worldview, and who shaped theirs...
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electricdriver33 said:If the internet has taught me anything, it's that it just makes smart people smarter and makes idiots even more clueless...😉

I used to believe that knowledge actually changed a person—that it could take someone lacking insight and turn them into a thoughtful individual. Lately, though, I’m starting to think you might be right.