Brandon Allen59 said:Mine are exactly the same! My youngest especially can't stand being cooped up—she's a total ball of energy! Look, I love my kids to death and I make sure we get plenty of quality time together, but I really don't enjoy them climbing all over me just because they're bored out of their minds—and let's be honest, we're all bored...
Yeah... honestly, the authorities need to take another look at this and stop making such weird, irrational rules. Everything is out in the open, people are complaining about every little thing, and there's barely any actual structure to it. It feels like the main goal is just keeping kids locked away. You know how it goes—if they were doing this to dogs, every single animal rights group in the country would be out there protesting "animal cruelty" in a heartbeat.
Gary Moore4 said:I actually think there's a silver lining to how hard it is being home with your own kids. Sure, balancing work and school is a nightmare, but I'm trying to find the upside. We actually "bonded" during these isolations. It’s honestly sad how little time we actually spend with them during school and extracurriculars normally.. How are those months "lost"? You’re never getting that time back with your kids...
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Maybe it’s fine for your kids, but look, my 8-year-old has been crying since yesterday because he doesn't just want his parents—he wants to hang out with his actual friends, go to the park, play soccer, and just live being a kid. Being trapped within four walls for two and a half months straight isn't living; it’s pure madness. It's an artificial environment stripped of those priceless, real-world experiences. A computer screen is not a life... These are massive chunks of real life being thrown away. This isn't living for them, and in terms of their development, it's a huge blow.
David Palmer5 said:And who exactly said it doesn't hit the elderly and high-risk groups? Who's to say your younger crowd isn't perfectly healthy either? It's not like the seniors who are passing away are all in peak physical condition, right? You were claiming that only old people are dying, so I shared some actual data with you. Or do you think the guy from Brooklyn is lying?
If 20-30% of vaccinated people pass, that's a statistical blip. But if 30% of our seniors don't get vaccinated, that is a massive number. So, pick a side: is that a lot or is it a little? What does any of this have to do with children? And what was even the point of this senseless post? You haven't said anything here that you haven't already repeated fifty times.
Look, do I really have to sit here and explain the whole conversation to you? Just scroll back up and read it slowly. Honestly, arguing with you is a total waste of breath. Why even jump on my posts if you aren't willing to read stuff that doesn't fit your narrative? Just ignore me; I won't lose any sleep over it. Man, talking to you is like trying to reason with someone who’s completely lost the plot... Good luck to you, I'm out.
David Palmer5 said:Unfortunately, it isn't just the seniors getting hit Take what the director of the local intensive care unit mentioned: "- We’re seeing young patients too. For instance, the youngest person in our respiratory unit is only 22. Even the youngest person currently on a ventilator is 47. These are all critical cases, and the situation isn't looking like it did at the start of the pandemic," he noted.
COVID targets the old and the high-risk. That's just a fact. Let’s not play pretend here, shall we? Sure, there are outliers—a tiny fraction of exceptions because everyone's body reacts differently—but that's it. Do you suddenly have some inside scoop on this 22-year-old or the 47-year-old on life support? Maybe they weren't in peak physical condition? Maybe there was an underlying issue? Who knows... While everyone else is busy acting like geniuses and debating semantics, absolutely nothing is changing. Total joke. And then you have people like you, pointing out the obvious with lines like, "Well, even vaccinated people can get it, and vaccinated people can die..." Good morning to you, too! It's the same logic for every other disease we vaccinate against, except the odds of getting sick are significantly lower. There’s no such thing as a 100% guarantee, and there never has been. Kisses, and cheers!
Nicholas King said:What exactly are you basing that claim on?
More than fifty percent of the adult population in America got vaccinated—are you seriously suggesting they all "think" these measures were useless?
Well, I think so. I got my shot. I'm high-risk. And plenty of people around me feel the exact same way. Even the vaccinated ones. These measures are just straight-up tragicomic. Especially this current one. Everyone who pulls the "it's not that hard to wear a mask for five minutes in a hallway" card is a total genius. My counter-argument? What is the actual point of a "five-minute" mask? It’s like wearing a mask when you stand up at a pub to go hit the restroom. Or when you stand up to leave—mask! But in the actual transition? No mask needed. You know? And what kind of masks are we even talking about here: a bandana, a disposable one... Wow, what a lifesaver. Truly. These people aren't just idiots; they've split into little camps just to spit in each other's faces while the authorities push this nonsense. Mission accomplished, I guess...
And if my kid is 12 or older, I bet you anything they'd get a doctor's note saying they don't need a mask. Even if they were vaccinated, they wouldn't. It’s been studied enough times already: kids aren't super-spreaders, and COVID doesn't target them. Kids aren't the primary target here. Honestly, it's time to get our act together and normalize regular schooling again. Just leave the kids out of this.
I can't get behind that one dad, though. That’s just not how you handle things. Instead of running headfirst into a brick wall, he should be using those loudmouths' own tactics to turn the tables on them.
placidnomad87 said:Personally, I’ve completely abandoned that whole theory, especially living in this country. My mindset now is simply to earn my money and figure out how to navigate life on my own terms. That’s really what all this endless bureaucracy and systemic corruption at every turn has taught me. 😁
I end up going to private providers for almost everything, except for those routine visits to my primary care physician.
At the end of the day, you just can't allow yourself to suffer because of a broken healthcare system; you have to have some savings set aside for emergencies. If you're facing something as serious as cancer and you're told you have to wait a full year just to be seen, how is that even acceptable to me? Complaining isn't going to overhaul the entire medical infrastructure.
Even with all these glaring flaws, our healthcare system isn't necessarily terrible when you consider that there are people who have never worked a day in their lives yet still receive a certain level of care. Is that model actually sustainable in the long run? Only time will tell.
It’s not sustainable. We’re already seeing it happen. That’s exactly why everyone is moving to private care. With this Medicare setup, if you need serious treatment, an operation, or an urgent scan, you might as well just end it all right then and there. I haven't forgotten my own experiences. As long as they can keep taking our payroll taxes... and funding these ridiculous things, they're happy.
Michelle Nelson4 said:Taking care of a 6th grader who isn't even sick? That's just... 🙏 The sheer amount we all pour into our taxes and insurance contributions—honestly, even Monty Python and Kafka couldn't dream up a scenario this absurd.
urbantinker8 says: Look, nobody—and I mean absolutely NOBODY—can force you to pick an elective subject. So, your "no" is perfectly valid. I honestly have no idea why you're having this massive meltdown right now. If you ended up saying "yes" anyway, well, that’s on you. Spilling your guts all over this forum isn't going to change the outcome.
Furthermore—yeah, epidemiologists are sending entire classrooms into isolation again because following some vague, half-baked "stay left, stay right" guideline is basically impossible.🤦> Kids aren't wearing masks en masse, some schools are reverting to in-person instruction, kids are mingling with everyone instead of sitting with the same three friends, and don't even get me started on the chaos of arriving at school or those weekend parties. God, it looks like we're headed for another fake "online" school year, just long enough for 100% of the adult population to get vaccinated. Kids are just going to keep passing this plague back and forth; who knows how many new mutations will pop up or how dangerous they'll be for that age group? And since they're supposedly "safe" right now, there won't be any peace until scientists start aggressively pushing for mandatory vaccinations for everyone from infants to eighteen-year-olds.🙄>
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urbantinker8, please, where is this hysteria coming from? It's not like that. Of course I didn't pressure my kid into an elective just because of rural life. I don't have a problem with anyone. If they don't want to do it, they don't do it, and the teacher should just do their job. My enrollment was a critique of the system—not just regarding COVID and masks, but everything else. In this case, even these stupid electives; it feels like they're trying every trick in the book to manipulate people through pressure. No matter how you spin it, things never seem to work out when you're dealing with a bunch of slackers.
The main motivation here isn't about education or the kids (and schools exist for the kids, after all)—it's about "how can I make things convenient for myself." When it comes to COVID, plenty of people working in schools haven't hesitated to label children as "spreaders" or the most dangerous part of the population. They act like kids are just a nuisance... like useless burdens that need to be locked away at home. Honestly, spit on teachers like that. They should be the first ones to understand what this does to children. Seriously... Here come the official guidelines, yet they still try to force everyone to stay home. I don't hear the schools protesting. Oh, kids are socializing? Well, adults socialize too, don't they? I honestly don't know how you people deal with yourselves...
Man... Covid really was a gift for the lazy. I’m still standing by that. I’m sitting here reading about how an entire classroom gets isolated, or a whole group—whatever. Why the whole thing? Wasn't the rule supposed to be just the infected kid and whoever they were sitting near? Seriously, is there anyone left who will actually step up and take responsibility? It’s become a joke... the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card.
But then you have these classic school examples of people cutting corners: the elective Computer Science class for the little ones. My kid told me multiple times they didn't want to do it, so I didn't sign them up. It’s an elective! I’m not going to force them, because what is a kid even doing in that class? Learning computer parts? How to sit in front of a monitor? And of course, the school only has a handful of computers for everyone. Give me a break. The kicker is that from fifth grade on, Computer Science becomes mandatory, so... an elective is supposed to be something you *don't* get covered in the core curriculum... but apparently not here.
Once the school year kicks off and the momentum starts, most kids jump on board, a few outliers stay out, and then it's this, that, and the other. What can I say? Only a tiny handful skip Religion class, but nobody puts on the pressure for that elective because can you imagine the outcry? "You're forcing my child! Brainwashing!" Guaranteed. But this is Computer Science—or "Computer Science," if you know what I mean. A kid should choose an elective based on interest, which means having an actual opinion and using their brain, rather than just following the herd like "wherever the crowd goes, we go."
The point here is that typical situation: the kids who don't pick the elective are stuck being shuffled off to do something else. That’s why it becomes a "problem"—not because a kid is being "left out," but because someone doesn't feel like dealing with them. Honestly, if they had actually explained the utility of Computer Science right away—why it’s useful, why it’s good to learn—I wouldn't mind at all. But they didn't approach it that way; they just went with the "everyone does it" mentality. And that's the reason? Great, let's raise a bunch of Borgs without any backbone or identity. And again, the kid said no. Besides, once they pick it, it becomes a requirement and they get graded. If they pick it just to fit in and not because they care, then the drama starts all over again.
Anyway, I am certainly not forcing some damn elective on my kid. Not a single one. I don't care what everyone else is doing. I don't follow the crowd, I don't make life decisions based on what the neighbors think, and I sure as hell won't teach my child to think that way.
And don't even get me started on the Covid protocols where they lock everything down the second someone sneezes... I don't bother with it anymore. There's no point because there's nobody to talk to. It's useless. They're already starting to tally the damage regarding the kids and the fallout from these disruptions, yet they keep doing the exact same thing. They allow it to happen. I’m just lucky my kid isn't in the upper grades or high school yet. Thank God for that... because that’s when you let the weak-willed run the show.
Larry Walker24 said:It's wild how in Canada, kids are wearing masks starting in first grade.
Clearly, Canadians are just a bunch of idiots compared to us. 🤦🤦🤦
Honestly, just plain dim. It's tragic. And look, I won't even get started on the whole mask thing... I wouldn't dream of making my eight-year-old kid wear one. No thanks.
amberrider said:That’s exactly what I realized. My little one told me his teacher forced some kind of mask onto his face today. It's even more heartbreaking knowing all the other kids had their masks ready too—and they're only in first grade.
Mine did the same thing last year, coming home asking if he needed a mask. When I asked him why, he just said they told them they could wear one if they wanted to. So I told him, "Look, little kids don't need to be wearing masks because of this and that," and told him to pass my regards along to his teacher. Most of the other parents followed suit. Honestly, it feels like rock bottom when you try to push stuff like that through using children as pawns. It’s no wonder there aren't these kinds of mandates for the younger kids.
EDIT: And then those kids see the older students doing it, and suddenly they want in on the action too... what a mess...
amberrider said:I am not finding it in these documents.
Of course you aren't finding it—it isn't in there because it doesn't need to be. Seriously, if anyone is out here claiming otherwise or hunting for things that aren't part of the plan... just report them.
It’s all about the approach, isn't it? Honestly, giving everyone a mere two or three days' notice is just bottom-of-the-barrel behavior. It really drives home how much they think they're the center of the universe. Like, apparently, the entire world is supposed to just hit the pause button whenever they feel like it? If they had given us a heads-up a reasonable amount of time ago, I might have been able to wrap my head around it, but they didn't. In fact, they did the exact opposite.
Robert Hernandez11 said:And if they told you to come pick up books and schedules on Friday, half of you would be up in arms again—claiming it’s too early because school hasn't officially kicked off yet. It's always the same excuse: "But classes haven't started!"
Honestly, some people just love finding something to complain about. 🤦
Who’s complaining? I don't see why picking up books would be an issue for parents. I’m listening to folks at my kid's school and talking to parents in the park, and honestly, grabbing books is one thing, but taking a whole day off work because you have nowhere to leave your child is something else entirely. Where do we live? It's like the entire world is supposed to grind to a halt just because school is starting. Sure, it's easy if you have an older kid who can fend for themselves, but let's not pretend toddlers just wander around the world solo—let's not play dumb. When I was in school, there was never this nonsense where we showed up for ninety minutes on the first day. School started according to the schedule, period. But today? On day one, they're busy with textbooks; then in November, you get a two-day break; in December, part one of winter break; February, part two; then in April or whenever spring break hits, they merge it with the festivities around July 4th ("No classes on the 4th, we'll let you know two days prior"), and then suddenly the school year ends and you get two and a half months off. If they keep this up, we'll have holidays every single month for the next 50 years—and I'm sure it's not actually for our kids' sake. But fine, even if we assume these breaks are FOR THE CHILDREN, and not just for the school staff, there's still no need to stretch things out, combine them, or pull these stunts.
Besides, isn't having two and a half months of summer to define and plan these things enough? Are we splitting atoms here? Honestly, this kind of thinking—trying to shorten everything, merge everything... it really highlights the issues in our society. And COVID-19 proved exactly that. The ultimate ace up the sleeve, total Armageddon. Even here on the forum, you still have people advocating for "everyone hide in the basement." Give me a break; parents would lose their minds. You really think so? Back when our parents were buying us books and getting us ready before school started in August, the only thing they complained about was the price, not whether the kids were prepared. Of course they're going to prepare their children; those are their kids, after all.
Seriously... So, classes start, but there’s actually no instruction on day one because??? Did they seriously fail to organize book pickups even a week in advance? How many vacation days does a parent even get? We stretched our time off out—me first, then my husband, then my godmother—we even paid for a sitter for a week, and suddenly school starts and we're just expected to pivot? Out of nowhere, three days before the notice, we find out the first day ends at 9:25 AM. And at the last PTA meeting, we specifically asked, and they told us everything would be back to normal, including after-school care, just that there wouldn't be lunch provided on the first day so we should pack something.
I’m not talking about kindergarteners, where it’s totally fine if they don't stay long during those first few days. But everyone else? What gives? They haven't even started yet and they're already cutting things short. It feels like this whole COVID-19 situation is being used as an excuse way too often. Honestly, I am so done with this lazy, "work-shy" mentality.
Summer break and all the other holidays are for the kids, and obviously, the staff uses their vacation time, but otherwise, they’re supposed to be working. If you run a school, act like a professional and realize parents can't just stop working whenever it suits your schedule. Why is it so hard to organize things so that parents with fewer kids aren't left scrambling? It's just ridiculous. Bravo. I didn't have any choice but to beg for a day off, and I'll probably get chewed out for it, even though my family and I asked about this well in advance.
And don't even get me started on picking up books. Give me a break! If 6th grade starts, then school starts. We could easily grab the books beforehand, and honestly, it would be nice to know what supplies are needed, which notebooks to buy, if we need extra art supplies, the class schedule... but no, they call us at the last minute expecting us to deal with it right after work because everything needs to be ready "by tomorrow." I'm not doing it. I'll just order everything online and wait for it to arrive—if they even bother to notify me. Should I really have to cause trouble at my job because of these idiots? Seriously, I’m going to ask some pointed questions, because this is pathetic.
Then there are the COVID-19 vaccination records. I have mine, but if they’re making a thing out of it, I’d be the first to demand they require them for the school staff, too. I’m considered high-risk, so if I need proof because of you, you should need it because of me. Talk about double standards... If vaccination isn't mandatory, then it shouldn't be required for parents either. It’s just pure audacity, incompetence, and laziness. Total zero.
mellowskipper said:Exactly. It isn't the child's fault for having a solid, natural immune system. Personally, I wouldn't let anyone give my healthy kid antibiotics either. My daughter actually had strep once in daycare and once back in third grade.
Michelle Nelson4 said:Just wanted to offer a quick correction to that point. When a strep outbreak actually starts, the school often does swabs for everyone in the entire class or group. Even if the kids aren't showing a single symptom, if they test positive for strep, they get prescribed antibiotics and aren't allowed back in school or daycare until they provide a negative test result. I went through this exact situation with my own child, and I know it isn't just an isolated case.
It was the same story with my son back when he was in daycare. One time, strep just kept circulating through the group; my little guy actually threw up twice when he was only a month and a half old... They didn't bother testing everyone, they just handed out antibiotics to anyone who tested positive. The CDC even said that's not how things are supposed to be handled anymore—especially not handing out antibiotics to people who don't even show symptoms.
Oh, absolutely, one hundred percent... Bring it all back—the field trips, the after-school programs, everything. Honestly, enough is enough with this constant mental gymnastics. If people are scared, they can go get vaccinated. What’s the big deal? We shouldn't be doing anything to kids, period. Experts have already pointed out time and again just how much damage this whole mess caused—the lockdowns, the endless closures, shutting down basically every aspect of life. Don't screw this up. These are children, not lab rats.
brightgull95 said:Alright, look, it’s totally idiotic, but I’ll say it again: if the dispatcher on the line doesn't have any medical training, then honestly, it makes sense why they were useless. I don't get it, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Just reach out to the EMS agency with a complaint and suggest they update their protocols.
Thanks.🙂 I’m pretty sure it was just a dispatcher. I think I’ll send them an inquiry along with my feedback. Man, I really hope I don't have to call 911 again anytime soon. They were fine enough—showed up in about 15 minutes—but I was sitting there thinking, "What if this gets worse?" because they didn't tell me what to do; they just told me to wait... It's been ages since I took my first aid certification, so most of it has slipped my mind. A little refresher right then would have been nice...
Because I had quite the crowd gathering around me: one guy was standing there shouting instructions at everyone, asking what to do next (which is exactly why I got off the bus and ended up calling 911 in such a panic), another guy was hovering half an inch away trying to offer me water, and then two women burst onto the scene with this whole "you need to eat and drink so you don't collapse" routine. Like, seriously? There was an unconscious man, and they were trying to force him to drink water by sheer willpower. I eventually had to tell them all to back off and just go home. Some people genuinely have no clue how much they don't know—it's pure ignorance. Once the paramedics arrived, I could finally handle things properly.