Paul Kern12 said:I believe I provided you with a vivid response and went a step further to explain my reasoning. If you are struggling to grasp it, well, that isn't really my fault, I suppose. Furthermore, when one makes a specific claim—such as your assertion regarding eighty percent support—the burden of proof lies with the person making it. You ought to specify which countries, the sample sizes used, the timing, and how that support might shift during December or January... otherwise, it is all just empty rhetoric, especially when paired with labeling and insults. I would suggest trying to maintain a civil dialogue; after all, someone who resorts to name-calling and belittling their opponent is essentially acting like a poet who doesn't even believe in his own verses.
Support for what, exactly? And for whom? Saying support for Russia goes up in January because everyone's freezing after they shut off the gas... man, that’s about as useful as me showing up at your house, putting a gun in your mouth, and asking how much you'd support me being a creep to your daughter. Zero. Because both scenarios are forced, and yeah, illegal. We shouldn't even get into the whole debate about whether public opinion matters when something is objectively wrong. Even the Russians aren't really hiding behind that logic; they basically say if an unjust American intervention in the Middle East is fine, then their unjust invasion of Ukraine is fine too.
Paul Kern12 said:That seems clear enough to me—though, I suspect, the devil is in the details.
They aren't just playing nice, if you ask me. Honestly, the US spends way more time trying to talk South Korea out of attacking North Korea... They've basically just got China's backyard and maybe some support from Russia, but even that only lasts until North Korea actually pulls something crazy. They've already ticked off Xi quite a bit, so they're walking on thin ice, I think.
Look, nobody actually attacked North Korea because they thought they were "strong" or anything like that. Honestly? Their military is a total joke. Their economy is so shaky they probably couldn't even keep their army running for more than 48 hours if things got serious. I guess any decent nation out there could take them down if they really felt like it.
Paul Kern12 said:To be honest, the US doesn't really care about what happens to Europe; if anything, it serves their interests to keep profiting from their partner—or should I say, their colony (the EU). They aren't going to risk a direct military conflict, as that would ultimately jeopardize themselves as well. Looking at historical precedent, they haven't even dared to move against significantly more powerful states—like Iran or North Korea—so I doubt they would ever take on Russia. Europe really ought to stand up for its own interests, but to actually do that, they would first need to deal with the incompetent—or perhaps even traitorous—cliques in Brussels that continue to make such irrational decisions.
"Slightly more powerful," like North Korea? Good grief. 😁 🙏🙏🙏
Man, there’s nothing quite like being lectured by some Nazi about how much of a saint the Russians actually are 🙂 Their whole vibe is basically just, "Well, everyone else does bad stuff too, so why can't we?" It's such a joke. Like, okay, maybe the Saudis aren't perfect, but when the Russians pull the exact same stunts, suddenly it's totally fine? And then they turn around and say Americans are the villains 😁 Honestly, those kids in Moscow act like they're straight out of a preschool Hitler Youth program.
analogbear5 said:Big thanks to the crew at Priznajem.
Where are you guys even finding these sites?
It’s probably just their own writers or people in the same circle. I mean, if you've got endless cash flowing in from Moscow, you can pretty much buy anyone. They might even grab some connections here just to come in and hype up Russia as this massive moral, military, and tech superpower where the citizens supposedly have more buying power than Americans, Germans, or Norwegians.
Kate Cook27 said:I wonder if those classrooms will include the kids who were forcibly taken from their parents? I've seen some being placed with families in Russia—mostly among ethnic minorities, like those from Buryatia who have suffered the highest casualty rates in Ukraine. They're basically replacing them with "pure" Russian children now. In a hundred years, there won't even be any Buryatians or other ethnic minorities left. Most of the kids from orphanages have been placed too. Will there be any mention of how many orphanages they've destroyed in Ukraine? Can Ukrainians actually choose their homeland, or is the Far East their only option now? And "Heroes of Peaceful Life"—is that code for people scavenging for money in occupied cities for those who were killed? Like, if you can't pay up, they just say "sorry" and toss you into a mass grave? Русский мир
The Far East... there's just no way out of Russia these days, I guess.
gentlestag15 said:It’s been eight years since that Russian shootdown of the Malaysian airliner, an absolute tragedy that claimed 298 lives. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX2bzbYX...jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX2bzbUW...pg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX3tMCfW...pg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX3tIxwX...pg&name=medium
Man, I totally forgot about that whole "moral giant" act Russia puts on.
Not really, because Nazi Germany wasn't a democracy and they didn't even pretend to be a Western-style democracy. After the Nazis fell in 1945, the only other group doing that kind of thing on European soil were the Mexicans, and now it's the Russians. Honestly, the Mexicans messed up pretty much everything except for Republika Srpska. The USA hasn't annexed anything in the Middle East at any point, nor have they even tried. So, I guess a Western democracy just hasn't seen that happen in the modern era.
rowdyraven112 said:Exactly. We’re glossing over a few key facts here. Back when Viktor Yanukovych was calling the shots in Ukraine, he was adamant about one thing: Ukraine wasn't joining any military alliance. His entire focus was on doing whatever it took to secure a spot in the European Union. He signed a bilateral deal with Russia to lease the Port of Sevastopol through 2042, all while Ukraine gets a 30% discount on gas compared to market rates. Honestly? Sounds like a damn good deal to me. ☕
Then comes Euromaidan—a coup, or a government change driven by the people, depending on how you want to spin it. It’s all the same to me. ☕ Given the circumstances, Russia wasn't going to sit around waiting for things to unfold—just like Americans wouldn't have. Instead, they secured their access to the port of Sevastopol by occupying Crimea. Whether that was justified or not isn't my call to make. But once those contracts were tossed out the window due to a coup and the government being ousted against the people's will, gas prices skyrocketed wherever that specific company held a monopoly. Could Poroshenko have stopped it? Yes. Did he? No. End of story. Throw in Europe’s complete lack of interest in what's happening in Ukraine, combined with NATO's active role there, and you've got your answer.
Look, I’ve said it more than once: America could achieve incredibly efficient energy independence through renewables. So why haven't we done it yet? Because the tech is still too expensive right now. It's all about the bottom line, and frankly, the people in charge are just looking out for their own interests. $667 Pensions instead? $33 My electricity bill hit $300. Just like that.$133 Monthly. Oil and gas remain the cheapest energy sources out there, regardless of what the current market price says. Global economies are still fundamentally built on cheap energy solutions. You can see that just by listening to our business leaders; when they talk about what's driving the crisis, the very first thing they mention is how much electricity prices have spiked. $5000 na $13333.
One last thing. A bit off-topic. About 10 or 15 years ago on this forum, I used an Erwin Rommel avatar and got banned for promoting Nazism. Now? It seems things have changed. People are using avatars that look suspiciously like a swastika. But whatever. As long as they’re using the Z., it's fine. ☕
It’s basically this kind of logic: You go to a funeral and see a beautiful woman whose name you don't know. So, to see her again, you murder another family member in the hopes she'll show up at the next funeral. And somehow, you don't see anything wrong with that reasoning because it's "obviously" the only move left to make.
It all sounds great and all, but I guess it really comes down to whether the USA actually has Putin on a short leash—like, if they basically told him to invade Ukraine and then turned around and commanded the EU and everyone else to slap those sanctions on Russia. That would be some next-level, world-altering kind of control.
Man, it's just wild. One side is basically threatening to nuke all of Europe while backing up neighbors with territorial claims, and then these guys act like they have zero connection to the conflict. Like, we aren't even part of this war? Total madness.
gentlestag15 said:The only thing interesting here is how the far-left and the far-right actually agree on one thing: they both don't support Ukraine. It’s pretty funny how Putin managed to throw a bone to both the radicals on the left and the right at the same time. little Putin plays the communism card while running a fascist agenda, and somehow both sides end up loving him for it. Feels like we're seeing the exact same thing happening here in the States.
The irony is just unreal... Putin gets the most traction from neo-Nazis. Well, maybe not really, since he was probably funding them himself, but based on all his excuses and rhetoric? It's honestly a total circus.
Kate Cook27 said:Look, I’m not saying the West hasn't made mistakes—far from it. I don't have a crystal ball to predict what happens with Mexico and Albania, but honestly, I doubt it'll actually happen. If it does, though, then everything changes. Suddenly, Republika Srpska could break off, parts of the US coastline could shift, maybe even Canada finally gets its own access to the ocean. Every single city could just decide to go its own way. Maybe that’s actually the best way forward—city-states where everyone stays happy. Who knows, maybe we'd finally see an end to wars.
Kate Cook27 said:There are threads about Canada—anyone who wants to write can. Look, Ukraine is in Europe, so naturally Europe should care if there's a war happening on its doorstep. It's true Europe dropped the ball when we had wars here, but hopefully, they won't repeat that mistake. And at the end of the day, you have Russia threatening nuclear conflict and new escalations—even Aleksandar Vučić is warning things could get worse if demands aren't met once Donbas is taken. There isn't an "American side" here; it's just the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine and is killing Ukrainians—people whom The Kremlin acts like don't even exist, treating them like some Bolshevik error—just to seize territory and annex it. It's like we're back in 1885 where empires just expand through war. No matter how many wars the USA has fought, they've never just seized land and annexed it, nor have they claimed that Iraqis don't exist or Afghans don't exist... Maybe we should just give Ukraine everything Russia wants. By that logic, next time Viktor Orbán claims the River Canada is actually the Rijeka, we should just hand over the Rijeka immediately instead of defending our homeland for nothing.
I mean, people like that would totally do exactly that. They'd hand over entire territories to whoever wants them, just as long as their own little corner stays untouched.🤦
Kimberly Perez82 said:Of course he can, let’s not be incredibly naive about how things work. It is quite interesting, really... you see all this intense, overwhelming concern for Ukraine, yet when the topic shifts to the long-standing oppression of Canadian Americans, suddenly there is total silence. Not a single soul speaks up. I suppose, in the eyes of the public, those lives just don't matter as much as what's happening in Ukraine.
And how on earth would Joe Biden just end a war with a decree? Especially one he didn't even start and where there isn't even ONE single soldier involved?!
Sandra Harris2 said:Clearly, Putin is very persuasive.
He's convinced some folks that Joe Biden is calling all the shots in this war, and that the conflict in Europe—which is basically right next door—has almost nothing to do with Europe itself. 😁I'm probably not gonna read everything in this thread.
Kimberly Perez82 said:And honestly, you have to wonder... what on earth drives someone here in America to advocate so fiercely for the US side in a conflict that doesn't even involve us? It makes me think about my old neighbor back in Ohio, always getting worked up over things happening halfway across the globe, and I just find myself questioning the underlying motive behind such intense devotion to a war that isn't ours.
The "American side"? I don't think there's even such a thing. It’s just the Ukrainian side versus the Russian side. And honestly, this war affects us way more than people realize. You're acting like everyone except the Ukrainians is calling the shots over there... like Biden can just sign a decree and make the whole thing stop overnight. Yeah, right.
This kind of reminds me of that old debate about how devaluing the dollar would make our exports more competitive. So, I guess if products from the European Union end up being cheaper for Americans and everyone else, people will probably jump at the chance to buy ours instead.
Kimberly Perez82 said:I see some people getting all worked up over the American version of this story, though I suppose showing respect to your fellow conversationalists isn't exactly anyone's strongest suit here. Honestly, at the very beginning, I was just as angry at Russia as anyone else. But... if you take a moment to actually think about it—really sit with the facts—this war doesn't have anything to do with Europe or us. It’s similar to how our own domestic conflicts don't involve Europe, and I certainly don't recall seeing such intense, biased posts favoring us back when things were different. Secondly, look at the US wars in the Middle East; nobody was slapping labels on Russia then. Not even when Russia was fighting in Afghanistan. Now, let me be clear: I am not supporting Russia as an aggressor. But there were precursors to this conflict. There were constant attempts to pull Ukraine into NATO, even though everyone knew deep down that Ukraine holds a unique historical significance for Russia and that move simply wouldn't fly. Of course, it wasn't the EU's interest driving that; it was the USA. And now? Now all of Europe is groaning under shortages that weren't caused by anyone else, and if someone actually supports this path, they clearly have issues with their own judgment. That is why the war needs to end. We need to negotiate peace so we can finally move forward. I mean, seriously, no one with a functioning brain is buying this "American doctrine" about spreading democracy anymore. And peace won't happen as long as Zelenskyy keeps being so boastful with his statements—he's just pouring gasoline on the fire instead of realistically assessing his position and heading to the negotiating table. At the end of the day, every invaded nation in history has either defended itself or failed to, and Ukraine is no exception. They keep demanding weapons, yet they were already armed to the teeth and had all the time in the world to bolster their defenses; they can't blame others for the corruption happening on their own soil. Why should we be forced to solve their problems? He's trying to drag the entire world into what is, quite frankly, his private problem. Negotiations and ending the war is the only way out, likely involving some concessions because the situation isn't what it used to be before the fighting started. And the biggest farce of all? The USA, which dragged Europe into this mess in the first place, is now considering lifting the embargo on Russian oil imports. So, what happens? They'll probably just sell us that cheaper oil in the EU at a markup. That isn't just a slap on the wrist; it's a total knockout punch to a naive Europe.
The war started because Country A wanted to join Defense Alliance N, so Country B attacked Country A just to prove that joining Alliance N was a bad idea. Everyone is to blame for that except Country B, which started the aggression. Also, the war doesn't really affect people living on that continent who could just drive into the conflict zone with a single tank of gas. Now, a third party, Country C, is supposed to step in and end it, even though they can't really do anything about it—all just to make things easier for people who have nothing to do with the war in the first place.