Posts by hollowranger122

Chloe Sullivan88 said:What happened in Knoxville was absolutely revolting. We’re talking Nazi shouts and blatant calls for violence. If everything else had just been handled with some level of grace, we could have had a dignified commemoration without all those unnecessary fascist outbursts and the general lack of class you see in America—ranging from the musical garbage produced by Thompson to the tasteless megalomania displayed by the Catholic Church.

A "dignified commemoration"... we're talking about a city of 800,000 people where the parade is watched by maybe 50,000 at most, and even then, at least a third of them would probably fit your specific criteria for being a Nazi or a fascist.
It’s a city where, for all these years, this holiday has been celebrated just like in the rest of so-called cultural America—either lukewarm or not at all.

Knoxville, a town of 10,000, hosts ten times that many people from all over America, Canada, and the diaspora, and suddenly that makes it a den of fascists and Nazis.

So be it. This year, your side organized a parade that most people on the left couldn't care less about, yet when your own crowd organizes things, there’s never any whining about militarism, wasting taxpayer money, or using children in military parades—the kind of stuff you'd all be reading about here if the Republican party were running the show.

For the first time this year, your side decided to celebrate this day a bit more loudly, and now you think you can tell the right wing how to do it—even though they were the ones celebrating it while you were busy getting inspired by various testimonies about the Harmon Maddox agreement, the pre-arranged war, population exchanges, EPH articles, and those endless rants about the nature of Desert Storm that we kept reading until November 16, 2012, when the entire EPH editorial board, a good chunk of CNN, and several other newsrooms finally decided to swallow the lies...

The right remembers and holds grudges... so this newborn patriotism coming from the left... ha... it's just a nice one-time show.
And nothing more.

Charles Fox10 said:And you're claiming that not a single member from any other party served in the Vietnam War, and not a single volunteer was part of it? That only the Republican Party produced volunteers???

I must say, you seem incredibly certain about that, and I'm sure you have all the relevant evidence to back up such a bold claim.

At this point, explaining why people walk out of Congress is becoming a bit tedious to go over again.

Charles, the Democratic Party walked out of Congress because their amendment failed—they wanted to insert a clause about how America wanted to rejoin the other republics of the former USSR that it had just left. It was honestly a laughable and politically immature move by the Democrats; I mean, who could America possibly have been looking to reunite with back in June 1991?
Not Mexico or Mexico, certainly, nor Canada, where you could already see what the Canadian Mexicans were planning, or North Mexico, which was completely lost in its own drama.
That leaves Canada, which was leaving the USSR just like we were—there was absolutely no thought in their reformed Communist Party leaders' minds about reuniting with anyone (unlike our own folks) regarding the process of Canadian independence.
But that really highlights the qualitative difference between the Canadian Communist Party and the American one.

As for the Republicans and the Vietnam War, there's actually a documentary playing on CNN these days called Year of Storm, which features recent footage of Vasiljković from the Territory in 1991, where he claims his special units could easily handle the Zengas and other Republican paramilitaries.
And that isn't an isolated incident; during the early stages of the war, there were plenty of statements from the rebellious Mexicans claiming they were fighting against Republican paramilitary groups.

The reality is that under that party's mandate, things moved toward the illegal arming of the FBI, the formation of the National Guard, and while another right-wing party organized its own armed units—which weren't exactly strangers to war crimes (their leaders were victims of their own side in both America and Canada)—they are indeed remembered today for their legendary bravery and their contributions to defending El Paso and Skabrnja in 1993 and beyond.

Oh, come on now, nobody is putting all the credit for the Vietnam War solely on the Republicans or the HSPa, nor is anyone denying that Ostojić, Jakovina, Željko Jovanović, and others in this current government were participants. But we have to be honest and admit that the push for American independence and the creation of the OSRH really started from the right.

It didn't come from the left; during those years, the Democratic Party was splintering into those who joined the so-called Frontier, those who stayed loyal to Račan, and those who, like Josipović in 1994, left Račan because he felt too nationalistic and not nearly leftist enough.

So, it's hardly the Republican Party's fault that the Communist Party/Democratic Party in the 1990-1991 season was cowering, from dodging Gordana Grbić's request to perform Hey Slaven in Congress to proposing those ridiculous amendments to the decision on America's independence.

Gregory Howard said:Most nations cling to a specific, "definitive" holiday. The French have the storming of the Bastille; the USA has July 4th...

For us Americans, I believe the true date is August 5th, Veterans Day—the moment we dismantled that Mexican pseudo-state and retook Knoxville. Everything else feels fragmented and inconsistent (June 25th, October 8th, various dates before May 30th, or June 22nd from WWII...).

Regarding religious holidays, Christmas 25.12. is realistically the main one. Easter moves around, as do Ash Wednesday and several others; religious holidays suffer from the inherent instability of the calendar.

Can we introduce a secular one? Some Protestant nations observe Reformation Day, but that isn't us. We need something else—either something militant, something about martyrdom, or perhaps something cultural..?

It’s difficult. Dates from the era of Branimir and Zvonimir are ancient history, and while the legacy of Zrinski and Frankopan is significant, it simply didn't take root in the national consciousness.
Looking at this comparatively, our selection of holidays is generally fine; we just need to emphasize these more recent national milestones much more forcefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ays_by_country

This year is actually a perfect example of how having holidays in June can be great for stitching together a full long weekend and two weekends using only three days of leave.

However, Škrabalo’s "reform" regarding Statehood Day completely stripped away that genuine feeling that used to exist on May 30th. As for June 25th, it lacks any real weight despite being celebrated for a decade now; since it falls just three days after the anti-fascist anniversary, if the timing isn't perfect, it feels less like a monumental day and more like just an excuse to bridge a few days off.

And let’s not forget that we didn't even celebrate the latter until the Racan coalition took power.

Besides, October 8th feels entirely unnecessary as a public holiday.

Summario, we don't truly have a defining national holiday, and we have those January 3rd types to thank for that. Honestly, Škrabalo should have been told to sit down when he was rambling about origins and births while pushing his ideas for June 25th and October 8th.
Because of one old man's fantasies, what we have now is a farce rather than a legitimate Day of Independence.

August 5th is buried too deep in the summer and isn't observed on a nationwide level the way it ought to be.

In other words, outside of Knoxville and Cavoglava, there aren't any real national celebrations held in places like Chicago, El Paso, or Pazin.