Posts by Jonathan Brooks8

Amanda Jackson5 said:Yeah, sure, let's call it an anal interpretation (check out post #111)

Yes, I caught that. I can only offer one observation—though I couldn't tell you where that particular quote originated—which is, "A heavy-handed word kills us all."

Well, let’s not go "killing" the dialogue just yet...

ruggedraven36 said:You can't just be tolerant of everyone—it’s impossible. How are you supposed to show tolerance to people who spend their lives preaching death, misery, and slavery?

I'm with you there—there are certain people, certain ideologies, and even specific phenomena that we just can't tolerate... instead, we have to take a stand. In many cases, being "tolerant" of such things is really just a way of siding with them (and choosing the wrong side, no less).

But, because of those specific outliers—that small subset of unacceptable things—we shouldn't go changing the fundamental definition of what tolerance actually means. At its core, the whole point of tolerance is harmonization, coexistence, and creating the necessary conditions for mutual understanding...

Amanda Jackson5 said:Well, he put his thoughts out there for the world to see. Anyone can pick up the book and read it.

Reading, listening, watching, absorbing a source... it's all just interpretation.

If we can actually grasp that, our level of tolerance naturally rises—because my interpretation doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute truth of the source. Ask Hegel, though I suspect we won't get much of an answer... since even he didn't have one.

Even Christianity is an interpretation. That’s why Christianity emphasizes love as the essential tool for "translation," and tolerance is really just another way of describing love.

Amanda Jackson5 said:Honestly, even if he were religious, it wouldn't change his philosophy one bit.

What really grinds the gears of atheists is when believers start acting as divine spokespeople—deciding what God thinks, what He’d say, or what He finds distasteful—and then treating atheists like some sort of lost souls in need of a rescue mission.

If we want to understand how a thinker like Hegel viewed God as a believer, our only real recourse is to ask Hegel himself... Arguing over interpretations is a losing battle. Of course, believers seem convinced they'll eventually get their chance to ask Him directly, whereas for atheists, the window might have already closed.😁

Sandra Murphy33 said:Everything said there is true, but I don't see the issue lying with the "unpleasant" speaker. Instead, the problem seems to be with an overly sensitive listener, 🤷
who identifies far too closely with "their own opinion."
Or perhaps they simply lack the capacity to respond just as "unpleasantly"—meaning assertively and with confidence.
So, they retreat in a fit of self-pity.
And then we're left forced to deal with their ego instead of the actual subject at hand.

We aren't all cut from the same cloth, and there's a certain art to dialogue involved here—learning to adapt to the person you're talking to instead of demanding that they bend to your will.

Amanda Jackson5 said:The real issue is how religion ends up muddying the waters of philosophy.

Honestly, you can't really "contaminate" philosophy with religion—not when religion itself is a form of philosophy (an earnest pursuit of wisdom) whenever it strives toward true understanding.
Besides, we have entire academic disciplines dedicated to Christian philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_philosophy

But that’s beside the point—what actually matters is fighting for our interlocutor during a dialogue, rather than fighting against them. We seem to be suffering from a deficiency of both meaningful conversation and actual participants. I’m talking about the very method of inquiry here—we can't hear anything, let alone perceive truth, if we don't allow ourselves to truly listen; and we fail to do exactly that when we silence our opponent... at which point, they effectively cease to exist for us.

A truly good life is one defined by the capacity to love and be loved in return; however, the absolute best kind of life—the one that actually matters—is the one where we are cherished even after we're gone, through the legacy we leave behind for the world... whether that's in this modern era or any other age.

ruggeddriver21 said:There’s an old saying:

A bik is tied by its horns, but a man is bound by his words.

Doesn't that strike you as being deeply connected to the idea of having a principle?
What does "free interpretation" of a principle even mean, anyway?
Is it our core values? Our internal yardstick for character? Something like that...

I’ve noticed that people who actually live by a principle tend to be quite focused individuals—the kind of folks who really guard their integrity. It’s not exactly a widespread trait among the general public, though. Sometimes, having a strong sense of principle can be a loud part of your personality, and people might even call you selfish for sticking to it, but I think there’s something genuinely beautiful and valuable about it.
It essentially maps out how we relate to the world around us.
It grants us a sense of dignity, while simultaneously sending a message to society that staying true to oneself comes with a cost.

Actually, now that I’ve set the stage, I’d say a principle is simply the price we pay to remain ourselves.
And well, everything in this life has a price tag, doesn't it?
A principle is just that price.

What do you all think? Am I on the right track here?

Then there’s the opposing view: "To hell with the man who refuses to be swayed."😁

I find a sort of synthesis in Taoism—where the hardest thing is also the softest: water. It yields and embraces you when you push against it, yet it can pierce through even the most stubborn rock through nothing more than persistent dripping...

So, perhaps those with principles are the most valuable—but only so long as they possess the wisdom to let them go when necessary.

Wisdom is nothing more than intelligence that’s been allowed to gather a little dust...

I suppose I see the logic—when you pick a job, you're essentially picking your ecosystem. It might be an environment you don't particularly care for, but there is a certain quiet comfort in knowing you still hold the reins... you choose to stay, and you decide exactly when, and if, you’ll make your exit.
Or, alternatively, you can simply opt to overhaul your entire surroundings, regardless of how much of a mess the outcome might be—just one more carefully orchestrated, Don Quixote-style crusade...

Lisa Jackson7 said:"Quote:"

If that "little" issue can actually be fixed... though even in cases involving refugees—or maybe just economic migrants—it’s usually impossible to tell. You can toss some cash at a charity to ease your own conscience, sure, but getting real, unmediated contact with them? Seems pretty much impossible to me. Maybe some outlier will totally flip their life upside down—like, actually head out to the US-Mexico border to a massive migrant camp just to try and meet the people they're helping—but those are rare exceptions that just get swallowed up by the media flood on our screens.

Look, this isn't even the same deal as those floods back in May last year—and honestly, I actually feel for those people and get what they went through.
I feel way closer to those friends now—you know, the ones whose homes were actually on the line back then—and I ended up helping out a bunch of other people through them too.

Is that actually bad—or just selfish?
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Politicians can't wrap their heads around how a regular person thinks—they're too busy hiding behind all that "huge responsibility" and "extreme seriousness" nonsense. Since they claim to be the "practical experts," it’s on us—the actual people—to step up and take ownership of our own little slice of responsibility. Honestly, the only thing you could even possibly gripe about regarding volunteers and humanitarian workers is that they won't let hope die.Look, I know that sounds all poetic and stuff—but honestly? I couldn't care less.

Look, we really shouldn't be this cynical—if I ever actually run into one of those volunteers, there's no way I'm laughing at them, even in my head, given everything they do...
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Look, the reasons behind this whole crisis aren't just random accidents—it’s deep-seated, tectonic-level politics. That’s how it looks from where I’m sitting...

Hell no, they aren't.
For the people who actually engineered this crisis, it’s a total win-win—doesn't matter how "regular" folks across America react. I mentioned the possibility of a referendum over on the Politics thread regarding the immigrant issue, though I don't see that ever actually happening here in the States.

Look, my bad again for blowing up a few posts back—that’s seriously not how I usually roll on this forum...

No, I don't think it's selfish; I think it’s perfectly natural. It is to be expected that you will react to a crisis based on how physically and emotionally close it is to you.
That is why the reactions of those in direct contact with the migrants are so vital—and there are plenty of such contacts along the migration route.

You have one type of contact: government representatives—police, military. Then there is the local population, followed by smugglers, the mafia, and others who see this situation as an opportunity for profit. The context here is both political and humanitarian.

We see that the political authorities in various European Union and non-EU countries are behaving inconsistently; they lack a unified policy. This total lack of coordination and the resulting paralysis is most evident in the European Commission and the highest EU forums, because their political response remains tethered to the useless and counterproductive "Dublin Protocol" and previously agreed-upon asylum policies. Based on public statements and the construction of walls on the Canadian border near Mexico, it seems Canada, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and Poland—acting as the outer perimeter for the older EU members—are preparing to step into the role of the enforcers, essentially acting as a sanitary cordon.

I call it a failure of coordination because I believe they are causing political damage that indirectly hurts all of us living in Europe, both now and in the future. Not to mention that their actions are inhumane and run contrary to their own established principles regarding the protection and reception of war-torn populations, effectively creating the conditions for entirely new conflicts.

In short, if the European Union truly wants to establish control over migration and refugee intake, they should be doing it in Greece and Turkey by opening and funding reception camps. They need to deploy professionals—doctors, social workers, psychologists—to protect the refugees, followed by controlled transport to the specific countries where asylum or temporary refuge has been granted. That would be the antithesis of this current chaos.

In the midst of all this present chaos, the real heroes are the volunteers working locally—some organized through groups like the Red Cross, and others acting spontaneously as part of the local communities along the migration route. They are doing this despite, and sometimes even in opposition to, official migration policy, thereby defending the very conscience of humanity... that was my point...

cestar said:And hey, sorry again about how I reacted a few posts back—that’s really not how I usually carry myself on this forum...

Honestly, I'm not even kidding when I say I didn't notice anything worth an apology. You're being way too hard on yourself...

Casey Gomez said:When a person does something kind for someone else, they often feel good about themselves—and frankly, they do it precisely because that feeling is the reward. Take, for instance, why you wouldn't turn down a gift from a donor. You wouldn't want to offend them, and more importantly, you wouldn't want them to feel redundant. Humans have this innate, driving need to be useful, to feel like they matter. So, by accepting that gift, you’re actually doing them a favor by validating their sense of worth. It’s the exact same deal with altruists. They chase that "selfless" high, performing acts of charity just to maintain that internal glow. To put it bluntly, altruists are just addicts chasing a dopamine hit through good deeds. 👍

A rare display of insight and an understanding of human psychology!

In America today, the most famous and popular "junkies" in this sense would likely be the American Mountain Rescue Association who describe themselves on their website with such unashamed, almost neurotic detail:"The American Mountain Rescue Association is a national, volunteer-based, professional, humanitarian, and non-partisan organization of public importance. Our core objectives include accident prevention, search and rescue operations, and providing first medical aid in mountainous regions and other inaccessible areas during emergencies—situations where specialized expertise and technical rescue equipment are required to preserve human life, health, and property."

While the mountain rescuers still have the chance to actually enjoy nature and the high altitudes, there are also altruists and humanitarians who are simply incorrigible masochists—this second famous type of addiction is, unfortunately, also linked to pyromania, and they truly are beyond help, and perhaps always were—I am talking about the well-known volunteer fire departments: , a very old and deeply rooted addiction that originally crossed over from abroad.

The third group I’d mention was founded during wartime; we're talking about international, battle-hardened addicts operating under the double-edged symbolic name "Red Cross"—clearly a sign of those communist Christians, which gives them an ideological edge, despite the fact that the founder was a Swiss person, supposedly neutral: "Swiss person Jean-Henry Dunant (May 8, 1828, Geneva – October 30, 1910, Heiden) found himself on June 24, 1859, on the battlefield near Solferino, witnessing the suffering, agony, and death of thousands of soldiers. Following the battle between the Austrian and Franco-Sardinian armies, 40,000 wounded and dead soldiers were left on the field. Existing medical services lacked the personnel and material resources to assist everyone. With the help of local villagers, Dunant organized aid for the wounded in nearby churches and homes, regardless of which side they fought on, repeating the sentiment that all people are brothers (Italian: 'Siamo tutti fratelli')."
I implore you—especially children, women, and those with weaker nerves—to stay away from this page:

feralranger said:The world is currently hurtling toward a state of modern-day ignorance, fueled by media outlets that act as the primary engines for this regression. These institutions possess a level of influence far greater than anything humanity has ever encountered throughout history. Technological advancement is undeniably massive and undeniable. However, we have reached a point where tools for mass brainwashing are more potent than they have ever been in human history. That is an objective fact.

Furthermore, these incredibly powerful tools are held in the hands of the absolute dregs of society—a corrupt alliance of politicians, corporate titans, and bankers driven solely by unbridled greed and narrow, selfish interests.

The world moves in many directions at once, but there is always that pervasive "mainstream" narrative—something you’re forced to confront if you breathe the air of modern media. It’s incredibly difficult to break free from it; most people are essentially hypnotized by it. But, if one could just look away from the screen and focus on something else entirely, the world would reveal itself to be a completely different place.

graniteeagle3 said:True, but in certain parts of the world, homosexuality is actually illegal. So, it really does come down to the mentality of a nation and many other contributing factors.
When it comes to the truly core issues, people usually dig their heels in, but they tend to shift their views on the smaller, more trivial topics.
I personally believe that every person should listen to another's arguments—and I mean *listen*, in the truest sense of the word—and then ask themselves whether that person is actually right or not.

Of course, it depends on the mentality, the history, the religion, and the political system—whether we're talking about a democracy or not—but regardless, progress moves forward on its own path. It starts in more liberal societies first, certainly, but it happens everywhere in parallel. Still, from a sociological or even statistical standpoint, the phenomenon itself is secondary; what really matters is whether there is freedom for some or for everyone. Where there isn't universal freedom, where inequality creates injustice, there is always an effort toward "leveling the playing field."

As for conforming to opinions, I would argue that social currents already exist, and people simply choose to plug into whatever is already flowing. They find their sense of freedom and their right to choose within those pre-existing channels—choosing what to read, watch, listen to, or think—thereby entering a stream that is already prepared for them. When they change their minds—which happens naturally through aging and maturity, or perhaps due to new information that upends old assumptions—they aren't isolated in that process; instead, they discover like-minded individuals and the ready-made currents waiting for them.

Listening to others is a somewhat more sophisticated matter. People tend to yield to the beliefs of others quite unconsciously, largely because the ego is so heavily tied to one's own perceived immutability—especially in everyday situations that aren't earth-shattering. When we deal with major, life-altering events, however, people succumb to mass psychology, making it incredibly difficult for an individual to think differently or resist the tide.

However, if a person consciously—through self-awareness—accepts that they are capable of change (which is a tall order, since many view changing their mind as a personal defeat rather than growth, seeing their opinions as fixed achievements of their identity), then they are far more likely to listen to others with better focus and intention... hoping to correct a mistake or simply wanting to learn something new.

Lisa Jackson7 said:Helping people once they've arrived is fine—it's basic human decency, sure—but...
I’m skeptical, honestly. My distrust just keeps growing every time I turn on the news. It's not about hate; I just want to understand what's *actually* going down.
Can you really put out a forest fire with a tiny little cup of water?

This article hits on a few things pretty well.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...mediterranean/

An industrial zone right on the border acting as a refugee camp? Maybe there's logic there, though the real answer should be directed at our own leaders... stop the fires, end the wars... because they actually have the power to.
Until then, you've got one side trying to help with "drops of water" while the other side is shipping in weapons—basically pouring napalm on the flames of war.

At its core, this is a question of whether hope even exists anymore. If someone isn't responsible for a massive catastrophe and lacks the power to fix it, is that excuse sufficient to justify ignoring the smaller problems they *can* actually solve? If there is no prospect of resolving the grand conflict, should we still bother providing aid just to prove we are trying? That is how the "average American" might view it.

Politicians, however, aren't permitted to think like the average citizen—not with their "heavy responsibilities" or "grave seriousness." Since they operate as mere "pragmatists," the individual must step up and shoulder their own "small responsibility."

Which means the only real criticism we could level at volunteers and humanitarian workers is that they shouldn't allow hope itself to be extinguished—I realize how poetic that sounds, but frankly, I don't care.

Otherwise, the drivers behind this crisis aren't accidental; they are tectonic and political in nature—at least, that's how it appears to me...

Humans are fundamentally social creatures—we don't actually think autonomously, but rather through a "socialized" lens... Society imposes its own set of questions upon the individual and provides ready-made answers, while the individual, through their own thoughts and reasoning, merely flows back into these pre-existing currents.

When someone shifts their perspective—which happens constantly, through daily interactions with neighbors, classmates, or colleagues at work (though, of course, one's core character remains stubbornly fixed)—they do so unconsciously. They rarely notice these shifts as they occur; perhaps only much later does the discrepancy become glaringly obvious.

In the case of the gay "movement," we see yet another distinct social current at play—a process of acclimation, introspection, and the imposition of specific questions and answers. This movement began as a mere seed planted in the collective consciousness during a different era, and it is now surging toward its goal of liberation; a liberation defined by equal rights for everyone, regardless of orientation, or perhaps even the implementation of greater protections for homosexuals as a form of affirmative action...

Lisa Jackson7 said:Keeping it brief, since I won't be posting for a bit...

I see this whole refugee crisis as a massive bill being handed to society by special interest groups. "Political will" is suddenly washing its hands of the whole thing, even though they had plenty of skin in the game back when certain countries were being torn apart by war. The burden falls on whoever has the most influence in the EU along the migration route, and let's face it—those Southeast European countries don't carry much weight there, do they?

What can volunteers even do at this point? I don't know...

Beg the government to set up regular ferry lines so people stop dying in overcrowded boats?
That would definitely hurt the profiteers' bottom line...
Live in asylum camps, learn the language, talk to them, try to figure out what they're actually looking for?

Pressure the host governments to actually follow their own laws and stop the asylum abuse?

Or maybe control arms trafficking and the actions of certain state agencies?
Even volunteers from across the Great Lakes could get involved.

Exactly all of that.
But honestly, even just meeting them upon arrival—providing water, food, medicine, making sure they have access to a restroom or a place to sleep, or simply speaking to them in any language at all—that is already vastly more than what the political establishment or the federal bureaucracy ever manages to do. But that is precisely what the volunteers are doing; if you actually watch the news, pay attention for once....

Lisa Jackson7 said:Is this a serious question or just straight-up trolling? ... Sorry, but that’s how it’s coming across to me. 🙄

I am being entirely serious; the countries that refugees pass through are facing this crisis in total isolation—no coordination, no mutual cooperation, everyone just doing their own thing without any political agreement or cohesive strategy. The destination countries aren't even working with the transit countries. The EC and Jean-Claude Juncker claim they haven't met specifically about the migration crisis because there's "no need" to, rather than the nations actually aiming to receive immigrants—think Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, France...—stepping up early on in Turkey to help manage the influx, using EU funds to prepare for this, and actually signing deals with the transit nations.

Instead of politicians and policy-driven solutions regarding migrants, you see only non-governmental agencies and volunteers providing actual human care; meanwhile, profiteers are making a killing off the migrants, all while xenophobic groups pop up to oppose the arrivals.

The Austrian Foreign Minister has noted that the EU shouldn't leave North American nations—countries that aren't even members—to struggle with this burden entirely on their own.

So, really, this is just one example of how volunteering becomes an absolute necessity when politics fails to react...

The current refugee crisis isn't just some news cycle headline—it’s a fundamental question of our civilization's soul. While the Red Cross is out there on the front lines, and we're seeing individual volunteers stepping up to become the faces of this movement, it feels like the political establishment is still treating the whole thing like an inconvenient surprise they'd rather ignore while sipping cocktails on vacation... (pardon my bluntness, I mean no offense). So, how can we actually provide meaningful support to these refugees while our leaders continue to act as if this entire situation is just a sudden, awkward glitch in their carefully curated reality?

ironmarlin1 said:If I may be so bold as to indulge in a bit of intellectual grandstanding: "a return to the self, a leap toward freedom acting as the self-creation—the self-making of the Only One and His All within their own unity. While philosophy, in its essence as 'the love of knowledge,' transcends itself and finds satisfaction in itself through absolute science—which is just another way of saying absolute truth—it does so through a freedom that has been rendered lifeless by its own nature. In this very rebellion, this uprising, love—once liberated from freedom as that singular, absolute thing—returns to its own essence, becoming the love of that which alone is worthy of love: the love of power, of true Selfhood, of that creative Nothingness of freedom, or perhaps, quite simply, pure self-love."

Truth isn't some fixed, absolute thing—it's only as absolute as the person holding it... Freedom is really just an open road toward learning.
Altruism is actually exactly that "pure self-love"—the idea that by loving others, you're ultimately loving yourself.