Posts by shadowbear9

Jason Vaughn482 said:So, what is your actual routine for finally drifting off? What truly does the trick for you? Right now, I've been taking something at 10:00 PM and then Calixta at either 7.5 or 15 mg... I manage to fall asleep, sure, but I spend half the night tossing and turning. Even though I can drift back off quickly, I wake up feeling like I've spent the entire night digging ditches rather than resting, despite getting up at 9:00 AM.

I guess I’ve had my own struggles with the 10mg Sanval; it keeps me tossing and turning all night long. And honestly, Fluzepam is even worse—it does the exact same thing, except there is absolutely no chance of falling back asleep once you wake up. I think I developed a tolerance after going through four boxes, so now everything else just feels way too weak. I am trying to strike it from my list as soon as humanly possible🙂 and besides, it’s ridiculously expensive—$10 BILLION!

Jason Vaughn482 said:When I first started, I definitely saw about five pounds creep up on me, though I eventually managed to sweat those off. These days, it doesn't trigger an appetite or cause any more weight issues, but unfortunately, it’s stopped being effective too. What are you currently using instead?

In just two months, I packed on about 13 pounds, and it was a total nightmare trying to lose it after I stopped the medication. On the bright side, I used to sleep like a baby, at least until the effects wore off—then I just decided to quit entirely because I refused to keep gaining weight. I recently decided to get back on an antidepressant, specifically Zoloft and Eglonyl. My doctor actually tried to push Lexapro on me, but honestly, that stuff completely wrecks me, so I stood my ground and they backed off. I’m thinking about switching back to Faverin soon to help with the sleep issues, and as we’ve touched on before, I might look into Quetiapine too, just to deal with this insomnia...

Justin Rogers5 said:Does anyone know if Remeron is just for nighttime, or can you take it in the morning too? I'm on the lowest dose at night and it's fine, but by the afternoon, I can already feel it wearing off.

I used to take half in the morning and the full dose at night just to get some sleep, but man, I gained a ton of weight... It works great, but eventually, it just stopped doing anything for me, so I had to stop taking it. Anyway, if you take more than one dose during the day, expect to be knocked out cold, so I wouldn't recommend it. Maybe you could take some in the afternoon if you're feeling particularly anxious, or so my doctors told me...

restlesstrucker15 said:I'm not entirely sure. 😢 I mentioned earlier that if you're dealing with psychosis, things might be covered, but I don't know if they extend that coverage to anxiety and depression either; your primary care physician would be the one to tell you that.

It all comes down to how insurance companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield handle things. I once had to pay out of pocket for a medication because my insurance only covered one specific diagnosis, even though that single drug was effectively treating three different conditions at once.

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I'll just ask my psychiatrist and then let you know. 😉

restlesstrucker15 said:There is no way she is sourcing those herself—that wouldn't make sense. Besides, if you have to go through a private pharmacy, Q-Pin is incredibly expensive and costs significantly more than $50. In my case, I was actually given one by my psychiatrist just to test it out.

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So it really does cost money then? Does that mean someone like me, just a college student, is going to have to shell out 150-$67 too? She already offered me some pills for that kind of amount, though she conveniently left out the name of the medication.

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, doctors who go around handing out antipsychotics just to help people sleep should have their medical licenses stripped immediately. It’s absolute madness.

Well, if that's how you feel, maybe you should go ahead and dedicate your entire life and education to uncovering the root causes of insomnia, preventing it, and actually fighting the disease. Once you've mastered all that, then perhaps you can join the conversation, rather than just spitting on professionals who clearly know what they are doing. Besides, I don't recall anyone asking for your opinion. ☕

fadedbear92 said:I had a really positive experience with it. For me, it kicked in within just a few days—though I was pretty drowsy at first since it’s an anxiolytic antidepressant—but then my body just adjusted. Good luck!😉

I ended up getting prescribed it because I couldn't sleep, and honestly, it’s alright. It did manage to settle my anxiety, which was a relief. I guess for me, though, it caused some pretty annoying nausea and other side effects... it was a bit much, if I'm being truthful.

Regarding our ongoing discussions about using antipsychotics as sleep aids, does anyone have any insight on Quetiapine? I suppose I should ask about potential side effects—specifically, do these drugs actually cause dependency? Furthermore, I guess I’m curious which one is considered the most potent for inducing sleep.

Brandon Lopez6 said:I'm a girl.
I think you’re looking at this from the wrong angle. It's like saying someone dealing with massive panic attacks could justify popping ten Xanax just because they're thinking, "well, I'll need them when the next attack hits..." Or someone hearing voices—they'd have their own reasons too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to lecture you, but I just wanted to point out that what you're doing isn't exactly healthy. Between the insomnia and everything else, the last thing you need is some other physical issue cropping up on top of it all. 🙂

Excuse me, but I get it—really, I do—but sometimes it feels like I'd rather kill myself than endure this level of exhaustion...

Look, if anyone actually knows whether Q-pin and Seroquel are covered by insurance, please speak up... and I might just start taking Fevarin as soon as I hear it's actually effective for sleep...

restlesstrucker15 said:Go look into Q-pin or Seroquel; those options seem much 'healthier' than Prazosin when you're dealing with insomnia.
Please stop taking so much Praxiten and Normabel; it is clearly not working for you.
You still have Cerson as an option, though I highly doubt it will provide the relief you need.

Sending prayers,

Pearson is out of the question, but what about Dormicum? Also, does that Quincie or Seroquel stuff cost a fortune? And how strong are they really?

Brandon Lopez6 said:Are you trying to poison yourself or just knock yourself out? 😕

I suppose when you finally find yourself stuck in the same nightmare we insomniacs deal with, you won't care whether you're poisoning yourself or just sedating yourself. 😉

restlesstrucker15 said:From what I understand, you aren't supposed to. I've never heard of anyone being prescribed a combination like that, and I certainly qualify as a candidate for such issues.
I'll admit, I once took half an Ambien and some Valium and managed to get some sleep, but that isn't a reliable pattern anymore; who knows how all these different substances interact when mixed.

You might be a good candidate for low doses of Calista or Seroquel, but your psychiatrist will likely suggest that once you reach this level of insomnia.

The only combo ever suggested to me—though it didn't really work and was only intended for extreme crises—was taking 5mg of Normabel followed by Valium an hour later. That isn't a great solution because you just end up becoming dependent on the Normabel. Your best bet is the options mentioned above.
Unless, of course, you recently started an AD, in which case that should eventually resolve the insomnia.

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I have tried Lexapro, and also Mirzaten, which helped me at first, but now I have switched to Zoloft and it isn't doing anything for my insomnia. I just know that one time I took Valium and Xanax and slept better than I ever have in my life. Now I have replaced the Valium with Flurazepam, but it’s expensive and I really don't feel like going for a prescription every ten days... What other hypnotics are out there? I won't touch Ambien, at least not yet... I am far too young to go down that road... Ideally, I would look for prazosin, but I doubt they will give it to me... I'll have to come up with something; I'm seeing her tomorrow. I just took 9 Praxitens and I cannot sleep... it's terrible 😢 As for Normabel, it's absolute garbage; one day I took 15mg of the 5mg dose and still couldn't sleep... My best bet has been Misar/Helex...

Timothy Wood38 said:Look, that’s a tough one to answer... are you asking for true hypnotics or just meds that have a hypnotic effect? If you're looking for what's actually available on our market, I'd suggest 30 mg of Fluzepam and 20 mg of Valium 4. Cerson, but obviously, you have to be disciplined about how you take them. You need to take them right when it's time to sleep—I assume you can feel when that window opens. So, you take the 30 mg of Fluzepam, and once you start feeling that sedative kick in, immediately take the 20 mg of Valium 4. Cerson and get straight into bed. The Valium 4. Cerson will pull you under, while the Fluzepam keeps you out. As for which hypnotic is the "strongest" available at a standard pharmacy (not talking about IV stuff used in hospitals), honestly, it varies so much from person to person. But, if I had to rank what we have on the market based on quality—considering things like sleep onset, staying asleep, side effects, and impact on sleep architecture—I'd list them like this:
1. Circadin + Xanax 5. Cerson
2. Circadin + Valium 4. Cerson
3. Fluzepam + Valium 4. Cerson
4. Valium 4. Cerson + Xanax 5. Cerson
5. Valium 4. Cerson + Valium 4. Cerson

Is it even legal to mix two different hypnotics at the same time? I actually asked about combining Sanval and Zan—since one is supposed to knock you out and the other keeps you asleep—but I was told it isn't allowed🤷 and now nothing seems to work anymore. Sanval wakes me up after just two hours, Fluzepam only makes me feel calm without sleep, and Zan doesn't even kick in until I'm already out. So basically, I crash at 4 AM and don't wake up until 4 PM... it's completely pointless...

Hello, I was wondering if there are any pills out there that work similarly to Yaz but are more affordable? Specifically, I’m looking for something to regulate acne, PMS, and my cycle. My gynecologist told me that nothing cheaper offers the same effects, but I honestly don't quite trust her—I suppose it might be in her interest to push the more expensive brands. I actually tried Lindynette, but it didn't suit me at all; my skin issues got worse and the cramps were just unbearable. If anyone here uses something else, please share your experience so I can decide if I should make the switch.

David Vaughn75 said:Try some Lunesta. That’d probably put an elephant to sleep.

Honestly, forget about the Ambien. At that point, you're basically talking about anesthesia, and I really don't think it'll do you any favors... plus, you end up paying way too much for just a few pills, and since they aren't used that frequently, the effect isn't even that reliable. Just stick with Sanval...

I find myself facing quite a predicament. I’ve been using Mirzaten for about two months now, and honestly, the results were nothing short of spectacular—I was sleeping through the night by 9 PM and hitting a solid five hours of deep rest. However, the weight gain has become an absolute nightmare. Since I can't just ignore this, what should I actually bring up during my next check-up? I need to ask my doctor for an alternative to Mirzaten that won't cause me to put on pounds.

I just need to unwind and hopefully pass out soon, though I'm trying to take it easy on the drinks since I have to stay alert enough to get through these pills...

I guess I’m looking for some actual expertise here—can someone tell me which one of these works faster and hits harder? I’d really prefer to take as little as possible since all these milligram conversions are honestly a bit confusing to me. I have the 0.5 mg dosage and then there's the 15 mg Praxiten. Which one should I be looking at?

Paul Newman5 said:I don't agree either, though if it helps you, go for it. But the idea that someone working in an unlicensed field can just take a course and bypass five years of psychology school plus years of training to become a therapist or psychiatrist—someone who actually spent a decade specializing—doesn't make sense. I get it, some unlicensed practitioners love to overstep and act like they know everything. Years ago, my kid hurt their ankle and this guy from a local wellness center tried to apply a cast himself without a doctor or an X-ray. I wasn't having it... he was convinced he was on par with a surgeon. Honestly, don't be mad, but I'm with the others: that kind of therapy from an unlicensed person is baseless. I have a liberal arts degree myself, and even then, I wouldn't dream of practicing psychotherapy... not that my degree worked wonders for me either.

All of that holds water, but I honestly don't see any reason why I would oppose her or go looking for conflict, doubt, or questioning. It won't cause any harm... and yet, I still feel that having a sense of trust and a solid relationship with my doctor is vital.

Brandon Lopez6 said:First time I've ever heard of the VA running psychotherapy sessions.

Why wouldn't they be able to? There is a legitimate medical basis for it, so they just enroll in a training course.🤷I suppose I would love to take that course myself if my finances ever allowed for it. It seems you just need a medical degree or something in a related field—some places even let you in if you have a background in the humanities... though, I guess anything is possible if one has enough money ($$). But whatever.

Brandon Lopez6 said:CBT with who? From what I've gathered, CBT is handled by psychologists, not psychiatrists—and definitely not family doctors. 😕

It's cognitive behavioral therapy, yes. And it's being done by my primary care physician. I highly doubt she would even suggest it if she weren't properly trained; I assume she takes specialized courses or something. It's not like I sought her out for this—she actually approached me about starting sessions. We are currently holding sessions regularly. I even mentioned this to my psychiatrist, and they didn't say a single word implying that a GP shouldn't be doing this.

Anyway, I take Mayer, but only for sleep. I don't take anything during the day...