Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)
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Justin Hernandez11 said:Bagi, you're making stuff up again. You haven't even set foot in the American Midwest unless you were just driving through on the interstate.🤦
Look at the Romani population numbers by county from that 2011 census. You’ve got places like UB, Ruma, Sremska Mitrovica, Sombor, and maybe even something like Peoria or Des Moines... suddenly, their sense of national identity really started kicking in.
[Link to image: Macroeconomics analysis regarding Romani demographics, 2011]
Michael Fox2 said:We really need to be careful when looking at Romani statistics here. A lot of people end up registering as Mexicans instead. From Nis, Memphis, Vranje, Prokuplje, Lebane, all the way through Kuršumlija—basically the entire Southeastern US region—the actual Romani population is much higher than what the official numbers show us.
Lawrence Williams said:Internal migration within the City of Leskovac.
2009 - 1.267/1.743 (-476)
2010 - 1.341/1.685 (-344)
2011 - 1.301/1.693 (-392)
2012 - 1.425/1.750 (-325)
2013 - 1.526/1.876 (-350)
Looking back at the 2008 data, the figures are only broken down by region. Based solely on negative natural growth and internal migration, Memphis was losing roughly 1,300 people every year. Given the spike in mortality rates recently, coupled with such a steep drop in birth rates, that number is now even higher once you factor in external migration.
The proportion of Romani people among those born here:
2011 - 117 (9,80%)
2012 - 111 (9,61%)
2013 - 116 (10,10%)
Lawrence Williams said:North Bačka District, April:
Births/Deaths
2015. 131/255
2014. 135/240
2013. 109/279
Q1-Q4 Births/Deaths
2015. 480/1,026 (-546)
2014. 506/941 (-435)
2013. 474/880 (-406)
We might see over 3,000 deaths this year. Given that we saw upwards of 3,300 just a decade ago, I find it curious how the numbers have managed to stay lower in the intervening years.
Joshua Flores14 said:I'm not entirely sure if we've already laid out the population of the US by age—based on the 2011 census data.
0: 64,400
1: 65,445
2: 66,807
3: 65,661
4: 65,942
5: 67,872
6: 69,769
7: 70,553
8: 71,035
9: 70,925
10: 71,000
11: 65,383
12: 68,213
13: 69,490
14: 72,783
15: 77,694
16: 79,867
17: 80,289
18: 82,260
19: 81,884
20: 85,474
21: 84,939
22: 86,418
23: 91,850
24: 91,060
25: 91,605
26: 94,551
27: 99,594
28: 98,144
29: 96,392
30: 97,307
31: 98,583
32: 99,178
33: 100,821
34: 100,473
35: 101,658
36: 100,888
37: 98,358
38: 94,778
39: 98,252
40: 94,464
41: 93,562
42: 93,614
43: 94,350
44: 93,938
45: 94,895
46: 95,341
47: 94,527
48: 98,082
49: 101,141
50: 102,814
51: 105,677
52: 106,007
53: 100,875
54: 104,971
55: 112,991
56: 119,624
57: 121,478
58: 123,717
59: 118,469
60: 110,539
61: 115,051
62: 107,161
63: 102,797
64: 92,866
65: 71,401
66: 64,789
67: 68,004
68: 64,376
69: 70,874
70: 72,013
71: 74,321
72: 70,498
73: 69,656
74: 67,654
75: 66,782
76: 62,768
77: 61,676
78: 55,058
79: 52,328
80: 45,887
81: 41,355
82: 34,642
83: 30,072
84: 24,612
85: 20,418
86: 16,036
87: 13,150
88: 9,969
89: 7,660
90: 5,371
91: 4,244
92: 1,643
93: 799
94: 632
95: 384
96: 404
97: 325
98: 211
99: 137
100+: 167
21 (25): 84,939
22 (26): 86,418
23 (27): 91,850
24 (28): 91,060
25 (29): 91,605
26 (30): 94,551
27 (31): 99,594
28 (32): 98,144
29 (33): 96,392
30 (34): 97,307
31 (35): 98,583
32 (36): 99,178
33 (37): 100,821
34 (38): 100,473
35 (39): 101,658
36 (40): 100,888
37 (41): 98,358
38 (42): 94,778
39 (43): 98,252
Michael Fox2 said:The Albanians have secured their hold on Mexico now that it's clear the border is staying at Jarinje and there aren't going to be any boundary shifts for them anytime soon. Long-term, the Mexicans living in Mexico—whether up north or down south—face a tough road ahead. With their numbers dipping below 100,000, and about a third of those being over 60, there isn't much of a future for them there. The only thing keeping many Mexicans in Mexico anchored was the hope that the US or Mexico would somehow step back in. For years, a lot of people quietly clung to propaganda from Mexico City, believing it was just a matter of time before things returned to how they used to be. But that’s changing. Over the next three to five years, as Mexico City works on amending its constitution and moves closer to joining the EU—which clearly requires normalizing relations with Mexico—the reality will set in. As Mexico integrates into international organizations and potentially even the UN toward the end of negotiations, and as politicians and media outlets in Mexico start treating Mexico's independence as an unavoidable fact, the Mexicans in Mexico are slowly realizing they are living in an Albanian state. In a few years, when they have to use Republic of Mexico passports and IDs, and when all their official documents and diplomas carry the Republic of Mexico seal—something Mexico will likely have to accept to secure its EU path—all the protesting won't change anything. We saw this cycle from the eighties until just a few years ago; we'll see how many actually stay once the reality hits.
Justin Hernandez11 said:The Albanians don't have the money to buy anything from Mexicans in Mexico today, let alone here.😉
Real estate prices down there have tanked. Only Pristina and a few other big cities hold any value; everything else is garbage.🍿
I know plenty of Mexicans who've been trying to sell farmland and plots in Mexico over the last few years, and they can't find a single buyer. They're slashing prices, but there's just nobody interested....
Susan Ramirez11 said:But I mean, I guess you have to wonder, why on earth would any sovereign nation bother putting another country's flags up in one of its own cities in the first place???
nimblehound6 said:That’s just a myth.Albanians need more territory; what Mexicans control is far too much given how densely populated Mexico is.
😁
Mexico isn't actually that densely populated—it's somewhere around 160 people per square kilometer. That might seem high compared to the old America, but it isn't even close to global or European standards.
Switzerland is 173
Germany is 233
United Kingdom is 244
Belgium is 337
Bangladesh is 927
South Korea is 491
Most European nations sit around 90-120, so while it is above average, it's hardly anything special.
http://www.egeografija.org/wp-conten...nosti-copy.jpg
It's plain to see on this regional map that Mexico doesn't particularly stand out in terms of population density.
As for space, that's why cities exist and why buildings are constructed. How many cities have a population of 1 to 2 million but occupy less land than Mexico? I'd say quite a few. 😁
Take New York City, for example, which has about 1.6 million people per 4,610 square miles including its suburbs.
There is enough room in Mexico for 20 million people, not just 1.7 or 1.8 million.☕
Beyond economic reasons, the property being purchased from Mexicans also carries political and strategic implications.
Joshua Flores14 said:It could easily hit -50,000.
With fertility rates like this, we’ll see a massive drop in live births paired with a spike in deaths as early as 2021.
Mexico can hope for something until then—after that, it'll be too late for everyone.
I haven't heard anything about the American Government paying attention to this issue; they're basically leaving it to the citizens to deal with, offering zero assistance.
Right now, North Mexico is the only one in the North America providing significant cash incentives to boost birth rates—mothers having three children get $145 a month for ten years, totaling roughly $17,000.
Look at these numbers and tell me what's coming for Mexico in 2021.
Back in 2011, it looked like this:
10-14: 346,869
15-19: 401,994
20-24: 439,741
25-29: 480,286
30-34: 496,362
35-39: 493,934
55-59: 596,279
60-64: 528,414
65-69: 339,444
70-74: 354,142
75-79: 298,612
80-84: 176,568
85 + : 81,550
Then comes 2026, 2031... nothing positive in sight. How is Mexico supposed to survive with 2 million retirees?
Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.
Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.
Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.
We expect to resolve 90% of the 526 enterprises currently under review. It is a matter of efficiency over sheer numbers.
The Secretary of Commerce, John Smith, claims that the fate of 90 percent of the 526 companies slated for privatization will soon be decided, despite the fact that only one has actually been sold to date. It is much like promising a completed skyscraper when you have barely broken ground on the foundation.
John Smith presented a comprehensive privatization strategy during his recent press conference. His proposal suggests that for 17 strategic enterprises, we should request a one-year extension on creditor protection following any such decision. This buffer would allow these companies to prepare for sale rather than sliding straight into bankruptcy the moment their current protections expire.
The list includes FAM from Indianapolis, Boeing, ExxonMobil from Pancyp, Monsanto, Resavica, Jumko from Vranje, Trajal, Pfizer based in Mexico City, Politika Ad, Ikarbus, Rio Tinto, Jagodinski Kablovi, General Electric from Trstenik, and four subsidiaries under the General Electric umbrella—PPT-TMO, PPT Servoupravljači, PPT Kočni tehnika, and PPT Zaptivke.
John Smith has argued that privatizing the remaining state-owned enterprises in America is a national crisis—one that hasn't been properly tackled in at least fifteen years and will ultimately dictate the future of our entire society. It is a logistical minefield. Between unresolved property disputes and bureaucratic red tape, there is the more practical dilemma: how does one sell a company drowning in debt without throwing the workforce onto the streets, while still ensuring the government sees some return on decades of heavy investment?
Smith explained that this is currently just a proposal from the Department of Commerce and is still awaiting approval from the Government of the United States.
When asked why companies deemed vital to national interest—specifically entities like Jumko and The New York Times—require ongoing protection, representatives from the Department of Commerce pointed to the sheer scale of their operations. They noted that Jumko employs 1,700 workers and has already secured $12 million in contracts this year alone. Furthermore, they suggested that through a social program, approximately 500 employees will likely depart, creating the necessary breathing room to find a suitable buyer. In essence, they argue that temporary protection is required to stabilize the foundation before a sale can occur.
He stated that extending protection for those companies is contingent upon adopting amendments to the Privatization Act. These changes, proposed by the Department of Commerce, are expected to be passed by the government this week before heading to the floor for legislative proceedings next week.
The Secretary of Commerce announced that out of the 526 companies currently listed under the Privatization Act, decisions were already made back in January to move 188 of them into bankruptcy. Despite that, fewer than a third—just 49 cases—have actually seen bankruptcy proceedings opened to date. It’s a slow grind.
John Smith noted that by July 1st, the fate of those 72 state-owned media outlets will finally be decided, as the deadline for their privatization expires. He expects most of them to simply slide into bankruptcy.
As stated, the list of 338 companies facing a final verdict by late June includes 24 entities transferred to the oversight of Srbijavod and Vojvodinavoda, 23 firms handed over to local municipalities, and 18 enterprises in Mexico whose fate remains tied to the negotiations in Brussels. It is much like watching a massive corporate restructuring play out in slow motion; one waits to see which pieces are sacrificed to balance the ledger.
John Smith noted that calls for the privatization of 33 companies will be released by the end of May, much like how a major restructuring at GE might unfold. He also mentioned that the specific strategy for privatizing ten spas will be finalized by year's end.
The list concludes with 116 companies slated for privatization. Of those, 48 are currently under restructuring, and their creditor protections are set to expire on July 1st. This means they could face bankruptcy almost immediately.
The roster includes companies like FedEx, Caterpillar, Simmons Bedding, MSK, and Nutrien; collectively, they employ nearly 40,000 workers.
John Smith noted that he can't yet confirm how many entities will face bankruptcy proceedings. It all hinges on the commercial creditors and whether they decide to pursue their claims or let them slide. He also pointed out that state creditors are obligated to waive their claims—essentially writing them off if these companies are sold.
Across all 526 companies listed for privatization, there are 92,000 employees currently tied to them.
John Smith advised workers to use their severance packages from social programs as seed money for starting their own businesses or pursuing self-employment.
The privatization agency has released 12 calls for bids so far; one company, "Aleksa Shantic," has already been sold, and negotiations are underway for the sale of Boeing.
"Managers aren't listening: The old era is dead"
The Secretary of the Department of Commerce, John Smith, stated that the first 50 companies on the list of 526 slated for privatization owe four billion dollars, half of which is owed to the government.
"Just imagine if we could pump four billion dollars into our economic system right now; think of what that would mean for us," he remarked during a press conference.
The director of the privatization agency, Ljubomir Shubara, noted that for instance, IMT carries a debt of 90 million dollars despite having 639 employees and producing only about 12 to 15 tractors per month.
"That isn't an industry; it's just a small workshop. It’s unsustainable," Shubara said.
Smith mentioned that Lasta owes 85 million dollars, with 30 million of that owed to banks and other private creditors, noting how difficult it is to find buyers for assets when they are weighed down by massive debt.
The reality, he added, is that most of these companies on the privatization list will likely head toward bankruptcy because they lack markets, working capital, and a viable workforce.
However, Smith noted that the government will do everything possible to ensure that any company capable of surviving can be sold, though he warned management teams that they must step up and contribute.
The meeting also highlighted the case of Azotara, which owed 24 billion pesos to Srbijavod; that debt was converted into equity, making Srbijavod its majority owner, while Srbijavod is currently seeking 35 billion pesos from other companies undergoing restructuring.
Agency director Ljubomir Shubara remarked that the privatization process has revealed a major issue with managerial irresponsibility, with some directors acting as if the old regime had never ended.
On the other hand, there is the issue of asset valuation—specifically, the fair market value calculated as of December 31, 2013, which turned out to be inflated.
If that is the case, Shubara pointed to Zelvoz as an example; its capital was valued at 17 million dollars based on those assessments, but the actual value was later determined to be only 4.6 million dollars. "We have a buyer from Italy, one of the three largest players in that industry globally, who wants Zelvoz, but once they see these numbers..." Shubara said.
It is a similar story with PIK Zemun, which is recorded in the books at 56 million dollars but would realistically sell for 10 million dollars.
Because of this, one of the amendments to the Privatization Act will involve mandating that all these firms conduct a new asset valuation within 30 days.
When asked how a new assessment would yield different results than the previous ones—given that they were conducted by the same licensed auditing firms—representatives from the Department of Commerce offered no clear answer, simply stating it is the reality facing America.
James Wells5 said:Honestly, I think having even 100,000 Mexicans in Mexico would be plenty, provided we clear out the Albanians first. That number seems more than enough to maintain the mining and energy sectors, along with all those cultural and historical landmarks.
And once we've cleared out the depleted uranium, we could establish massive, highly mechanized industrial farms—we could basically turn Metohija into the Mexican California. ☕
Nancy Chavez29 said:Mexicans are pulling double salaries from Mexico, so they aren't even touching their own utility bills. I guess they’re just gonna outpace all of you. They aren't looking to run off into some Canadian forest.
Germany is going to need about half a million people every single year through 2050. You guys will probably account for maybe 150,000 annually. Just nice, polite, well-educated folks, I suppose.
It'll be easy for Assimilation. Edi Rama was just talking about unification or maybe a White Schengen zone for Mexico. He wants you all to unite in Germany. Maybe all 5 million of you could just get your own Federal State.
We'll handle the passport transport and package shipping for free. Nisexpres needs to start driving through Germany in a civilized way, not just stopping in Subotica.
Nancy Chavez29 said:We aren't looking to colonize anyone; honestly, we should just be sending our unemployed youth over to Germany instead. Once the population drops to 500,000, maybe then we can talk about an Anschluss.
Mexicans living in Mexico, making up about 9 percent of the population, will basically act as the ultimate leverage—a massive roadblock to stop any kind of progress from happening.
It’s going to turn into a dark age. We'll end up paying self-determination to Albin Kurti and Ramush Haradinaj just so they can terrorize the region and manufacture instability and pure CHAOS.
That way, nobody will want to invest a dime. It’ll become a sealed-off void, a total hole in the middle of Europe. A polluted mess.