Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5
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Did they seriously just chicken out from Lisicianska?
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urbanotter said:I suppose they're all just cruising around on electric scooters instead.😁
bluerider63 said:Sanctions definitely work. I mean, Russia is pulling in oil money like there's no tomorrow, while back here in the States, we're getting hit with news that gas prices are jumping to $5.25/gal.
Anthony Hill5 said:It matters immensely to them, because finally, those in New York and Los Angeles will be able to reach the standard of living enjoyed by the average American living elsewhere. Life will become significantly more pleasant once we are no longer burdened by the petty envy of those residing outside of the major metropolitan centers.
hollowdriver13 said:So, apparently Russia is somehow "thriving" under all those sanctions. You know how it goes—the folks close to Putin keep insisting they’re stronger than ever despite the West hitting them with everything they've got. But if you actually look at the numbers, the reality tells a pretty different story. Check out this comparison from May 21/22
https://census.gov/compendium/document/50801
I pulled some of the biggest drops to show just how much these industries are actually struggling right now.
Ford: -96.7% (3,700 vehicles)
Freightliner: -39.3%
ICE motors: -57%
Passenger rail cars: -59.8%
Freight cars: -51.8%
Fiberglass cables: -80.8%
Whirlpool: -58.1%
Washing machines: -59.2%
AC electric motors: -49.9%
Elevators: -34.7%
Excavators: -60%
steelfox98 said:The reverse is just as true. It won't hit Germany quite as hard, but losing access to a market of 140 million people also leads to layoffs.
And where exactly are they going to get the raw materials? Unlike the struggling European Union, which country on this planet actually holds the most resources? Even if they manage to grab some, how can they possibly compete with the Chinese, who will secure everything at a fraction of the cost compared to Russia?
Or are we just switching to manufacturing things out of thin air?
Do I really need to remind everyone how all those self-proclaimed "experts" predicted Russia would collapse within a month, yet now it's the European Union shivering in fear of the upcoming winter?
A few days ago, Macron "accidentally" found himself explaining the situation to Biden in front of the press. Not to mention how the European Union hasn't even implemented sanctions on Russian gold—they're still just "considering" it, which is trivial compared to the energy crisis facing Europe.
Clearly, they've realized sanctions are a double-edged sword that cuts us just as deeply. Of course, that doesn't apply to those living off their parents' dime, blissfully unaware of what's happening around them.
The Macron - Biden scene is pure surrealism:
Joshua Myers432 said:Of course, people assume you can just flip a switch and start mass-producing something as complex as a modern vehicle—and I'm not talking about some boutique Tesla operation making two cars a year. This Chinese scrap metal only looks modern because they shamelessly ripped off the styling. Copying a silhouette is easy; try copying what's actually under the hood.
Then there are the ones who genuinely believe China is going to churn out ten aircraft carriers tomorrow and kick Americans out of the Pacific Ocean. 🤦 They might build ten ships and slap an "aircraft carrier" label on them, but the US has a century of expertise and institutional knowledge on this. We're looking at a gap that won't be closed for at least another twenty years.
Jeremy Turner9 said:In reality, this isn't a genuine bankruptcy, occurring because Russia finds itself unable to service its debts simply because its central bank and most of its commercial banks have been severed from the payment system and SWIFT...
I suspect this entire maneuver is merely a pretext to seize Russian assets that have been frozen...
It appears that the West is actually the one facing bankruptcy...
rowdytiger13 said:I never actually said that about China.
If anything, I think we’re heading straight toward a multipolar world defined by two superpowers: the USA and China. A lot of people don't see it coming, but I have for a long time. China has been flying under the radar, playing the long game with incredible patience. They won't fall for an epochal blunder like the invasion of Ukraine. In fact, they effectively put Taiwan on the back burner once they saw how the world reacted to that invasion.
Furthermore, the CIA admitted ages ago that they are completely blind when it comes to China, and they're the only ones. Maybe they're lying, or maybe it's a calculated statement, but it's a distinction they only make for China. They seem to see Russia more clearly than they see Ukraine.
The Americans also view China as a far greater threat. I agree with them, though I don't believe they can stop it anymore.
Bryan Booth82 said:Honestly, even after reading through this again, I still haven't been able to wrap my head around what you were actually trying to say.
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Bryan Booth82 said:I honestly don't know if it's even possible to pack this much pathetic whining into such a short comment.🤔👍
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rustywalker82 said:Honestly, once we ramp up alternative energy production outside of Russia, India and China are going to have to start acting like civilized players in the global economy when it comes to dealing with terrorist states. Unless, of course, they’d rather deal with massive unemployment and economic shutdowns again.
In the short term, nobody really benefits from a massive energy shortage, so right now everyone is just focused on making sure those countries don't actively back territorial annexations. For the moment, that's holding steady.
Bryan Booth82 said:Yeah, I have to point that out too... that tired old argument that sanctions won't do a damn thing to Russia is such a naive fairy tale. People love to claim Russians can survive on nothing but bread and water, but it's nonsense.
Is there anything new to say? It's getting incredibly stale.
Best,
Bryan Booth82 said:Go ahead, Google it... though honestly, it feels like you've either finally woken up to reality or you're just running out of ways to defend Russia's supposed economic bright future.
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Bryan Booth82 said:Fine, go ahead, "Google it" if you want...
But let me give you a reality check using a simple analogy. If you have a one-liter bottle, sure, you can pour exactly one liter of water into it.🤔
Now, if you have 40 bottles, you can certainly guarantee those first 40 liters. But what about the other 153? Who knows? You might run out of water before they're full. Maybe some bottles are cracked, maybe some are empty, or maybe you barely manage to squeeze out another 20 or 30 liters. How on earth do you expect to fill them all perfectly every single time?
The truth is, it sounds easy on paper, but it's a nightmare in practice. You actually have to organize the logistics, secure the shipping, establish the supply chains, chase down payments, and hit strict deadlines... everything that happened effortlessly with those first 40 units requires massive coordination. It doesn't just happen by magic!
Glory to Sanctions LP
hollowdriver13 said:Nah, if you read it a little more closely, he didn't mention the quantity at all.
Imagine having piles of cash sitting at home—like, millions of dollars stuffed in closets and drawers. But there’s one tiny catch—someone went ahead and welded all your doors and windows shut, so now you're totally trapped inside.
hollowdriver13 said:Because let's be real, a single country like the UK or even Suriname doesn't carry nearly that much weight on the global stage...