Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5
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Noah Diaz said:duplicate ... delete
My apologies for drifting off-topic, sir, but you have the ability to just go ahead and delete the message yourself😉
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gentlestag15 said:spot the difference between the G7 and the G7 summit
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wanderingridge30 said:It is truly quite striking to witness; seeing those Ukrainian extremists in uniform is exactly as certain individuals here have been describing.
Honestly, some people truly possess neither a shred of shame nor a conscience.
Keep telling yourselves that Putin isn't targeting civilians, and just keep insisting he’s only invading a sovereign nation because he "has" to denazify criminals like the ones you see in this video.
It is painfully clear that even the innocence of childhood has been compromised by those harboring such hateful, extremist ideologies.
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slyfox43 said:Don't overthink it; handing over your own territory to an occupier is a sovereign act, whereas fighting back is just acting like a servant to the masters in the West. One should prioritize being pragmatic above all else.
Kimberly Perez82 said:The whole conflict has reached this breaking point where both sides are just digging in their heels, acting without any real logic or foresight. It is an incredibly dangerous stage of affairs, truly. We absolutely need to de-escalate this however we can, because when things get like this, pure irrationality takes over and common sense just flies right out the window.
Thomas Walker84 said:In principle, though, it is "better" and fundamentally different because it's purely defensive—not aggressive, expansionist, or imperialistic. That is a massive distinction.
The same logic applies to the current war in Ukraine; this is a very clear case of a nation defending itself from being conquered and enslaved. Is that Ukrainian nationalism? Yes, but nobody can claim it's the same kind of nationalism as the Russian version.
Nationalism is actually a neutral concept, even if propaganda has twisted it into something negative, especially when people try to equate blame for the conflicts in the US and elsewhere.
Originally, nationalists are simply those who want a sovereign state for their people when one doesn't exist. We saw that with groups like the Basques, the Corsicans, or the Kurds—all in very different contexts.
Following that logic, 😉 anyone carrying an ID or a passport is technically a nationalist because they support, value, or simply utilize the state and the nation they were born into or chose later. If anyone is truly against "nationalism," they should probably just throw away all their identification and wander the world without any national affiliation 🙂 if they want to be consistent with their principles.
casualtiger2 said:Listen, Timothy Williams5, I wasn't planning on dragging this out because it's technically off-topic, but since you're calling me out, I'll give you one last response just to clear things up.
(Clearly, none of you have actually read any of the 6,740 posts I've written since 2003.)
I’m Mexican by birth, spent my youth in Srem, and I've lived in Switzerland for over 30 years.
The only time I ever really felt a sense of national identity was when I was maybe 15 or 16, during some local gathering. That intense feeling of belonging to a specific group? Yeah, that was enough for me.
That was plenty.
Everything you guys say about Mexico or Mexican nationalism... I saw it firsthand, likely before most of you were even born, and I knew immediately how ugly it was.
So, being fully aware of how low-level that kind of consciousness is—and how easily group delusions take over—I moved somewhere where it doesn't matter and doesn't mess with my life.
We can talk semantics now—nationalism versus patriotism as love for one's country. And, of course, as the foundation for building a state (and the unfortunate necessity of defending it from predators).
But for me, it’s all the same evil. American nationalism isn't any better than Mexican nationalism (and the Mexicans claim theirs is just "love for the homeland" too), or Canadian, or Mexican...
"Whenever someone mentions patriotism, I instinctively grab my pocket to make sure my wallet is still there..."
I respect the struggle of the American and Ukrainian people for their freedom, but to me, that has nothing to do with nationalism—which I view as a sort of hooliganism for a sports team. Maybe it's necessary as a way to build an identity and stabilize a personality, but personally? I see it as a necessary evil at best.
Go ahead, keep talking about your extremists and your radicals.
casualtiger2 said:Nationalism is a disease, regardless of which side is spreading it.
I haven't caught everything, but if this was sung for those "knights" in the Hague, then 👎
brightheron64 said:The Polish flag was removed from the Katyn memorial by the Russian Ministry of Culture, explaining that Poland and Russia were no longer friends.
So, according to that logic, nobody is actually disturbing any graves.
What does this daily political nonsense—and all this symbolic garbage—actually have to do with the harsh reality where people who were alive just yesterday are losing their lives right now? Americans, much like any other soulful people, have tried to approach the Russians with an open heart, yet they are met with these absolutely revolting displays...
Russians and Poles being friends? Since when? Where? Was it under Roosevelt's guidance back in '45? Or maybe we read about it on the cover of Watchtower?
I’ll say it again, Taras Bulba, that’s the kind of literature you really should have been reading back in high school...
P.S.
Do you actually call your own father "baćuška"?
brightheron64 said:Now we’re digging into Katyn. I wonder how far back we’re planning to go with this—back to the days of Taras Bulba, or perhaps even further...
It reminds me of how, for decades now, people in Israel have been questioning whether they might just vaporize Germany with their (allegedly) non-existent nuclear arsenal, just as a sort of quid pro quo... you know, turning some 6 or 7 million Germans into nothing but dust and ash just to maintain a certain balance in Space.