rowdypilot53 said:The US simply incited a coup in Ukraine. Does anyone actually believe this level of American involvement is driven by pure altruism or a love for the Ukrainian people?
Furthermore, the idea that all of Ukraine wants the West is questionable. Looking at the 2020 local elections, pro-Russian candidates won in the east and south. It seems to be quite a divided nation. Perhaps Kate Cook27 could clarify that, since she might know more about the situation on the ground...
And before the moderators come after me, none of this justifies aggression or war. Geopolitical maneuvering is one thing, but war is quite another...
The idea that Americans incited Ukrainians to revolt is a flawed premise and straight-up Russian propaganda. To put it simply: Yanukovych won by promising that Ukraine would head toward the EU, escape its financial crisis, and sign a new trade deal with the European Union. None of that happened, and that’s when people took to the Maidan to protest. This was a reaction to Yanukovych stating he was backing out of the EU deal just hours before signing it, turning instead toward Russia. At first, the protests were peaceful, and Yanukovych returned to negotiations, only to back out again and eventually order live ammunition to be used at the Maidan. Many were killed. After that, the demand shifted to his resignation, leading to mass protests across the country. Ultimately, it was a reaction to police brutality and the loss of life. During that time, Yanukovych passed a string of laws, promised to resign then retracted it, promised early elections then pulled back, and promised to return to talks only to flee. In the end, he ran off to Russia with billions 😁. You couldn't force millions of Ukrainians into the streets like that unless they truly felt pushed—it’s a similar mentality to what we have here. People don't usually protest here either, and standards are low. If everyone hit the streets tomorrow, people would assume they were paid off, but in reality, it would be because they simply reached a breaking point.
Of course, the US isn't helping out of pure altruism; they just saw an opportunity to counter the Russian threat. It wasn't Americans who sent Russian soldiers into Ukraine—that was Vladimir Putin. For the Ukrainians, it’s actually been a good thing that their interests align with the US, because honestly, things would be much harder without American support.
As for the division within the country, it definitely existed long before 2014. There was a clear split between pro-Western and pro-Russian factions. The Russian-speaking areas in Eastern Ukraine, especially Donbas, leaned pro-Russian. A big reason for this was the proximity to Russia—many people worked there, had family ties, or maintained friendships across the border. There are plenty of families with members in both Ukraine and Russia, keeping those connections alive. Many of the wealthy elites came from Eastern Ukraine and maintained close ties with the Kremlin, using those connections to amass more wealth. These elites often owned companies where many locals worked, which influenced voting patterns—for instance, workers might be "advised" to vote for pro-Russian candidates. About a third of the population in Donbas is ethnic Russian, and while most are pro-Russian, not everyone is. The rest tended to stay more neutral, even among ethnic Ukrainians. Ultimately, many grew up in the Soviet era and were accustomed to being part of a collective with Russia and Belarus. It’s hard to say there wasn't patriotism; it just wasn't expressed in the same way. On the flip side, Western Ukraine is anti-Russian and pro-European. Their goal has always been to move toward Europe. Meanwhile, Eastern Ukraine feared losing its connection to Russia. Well, the West is near Poland, and they've seen how much Poland has changed since joining the EU—it's a different mindset. In the East, the mantra was often "as long as it's ours," so even when Yanukovych messed everything up, people stuck by him (he's from Donbas, after all). Everything started shifting in 2014. I'm talking about other regions too, like Kharkiv, Odesa, or Kherson, where Russians "expected flowers." Those are also Russian-speaking and pro-Russian leaning, but they remained mostly neutral, and then a surge of national identity began. I think that's the shift the Russians failed to recognize starting in 2014.