brightheron64 said:Now, there’s the sentence I’ve been waiting for...
Is there any chance this massacre was just a massive error?
From what I’ve managed to dig up in the media, the timeline looks something like this:
- Russian forces arrive at the site, clear out the local militia, bring in their own troops, and hoist their flag...
- Work is being done, things are being set up, beds and equipment are being moved in... right up until two days before the strike
- Just before the attack itself, you see crowds of people in uniform milling about the area...
- And then, in the dead of night, Ka-boom. A massacre.
It’s a very simple question—could someone on the Ukrainian side have misread the situation and thought they were hitting a new Russian camp that needed to be leveled?
Of course, if that really happened, no one on the Ukrainian side is going to step forward and say, "Oops, our bad." That’s just not how war works.
There are plenty of precedents from WWII, and these two are particularly striking:
The Laconia Incident - where a German U-boat sank a British ship carrying 1,400 Italian prisoners.
The Rakuyo mar incident - when an American submarine sank a Japanese vessel holding 1,500 British and Australian prisoners.
Strangely enough, neither the German nor the American media ran headlines saying "Sorry, shit happens.".
On the other hand, I have to ask again: why would the Russians want to eliminate the National Guard when they could trade any one of them for at least two of their own prisoners?
Or even just stage a media circus with a trial?
And if they really did intend to liquidate them, why go through all these complications? Throughout history, those kinds of things have always been handled in a much more straightforward way. Honestly, if they wanted to pin this on the Ukrainians, they could have just loaded them onto military trucks marked with a large Z one night, left them on some roadside, and waited for the fallout...
I don't believe him, and I never have. But truthfully, I didn't think they would actually launch the attack.
By the way, that article you mentioned is from The New York Times, not RT, so please don't view this as being pro-Russian; it's just an attempt to solve a puzzle...
Mistakes happen, sure. In this case? It's tough to buy. Why? Because this place has been marked as "Izolyatsiia"—a network of prisons across occupied Donetsk and Luhansk where prisoners and civilians are held—for years. No one picks a location like this just two days before an attack; it’s been a prison for a long time.
The timeline from the other side, though:
- A few days before the attack, interviews are released with captured Azov members where they admit to crimes against civilians and blame the government in Kyiv for ordering them.
- Occasionally, news slips through that certain mercenaries have already been executed—basically, that the sentences were carried out—noting they were prisoners from Mariupol.
- A couple of days before the event, propaganda media gather residents from Mariupol to film them; in these clips, locals talk about the atrocities committed by the Azov guys.
- Some were at different locations in Donetsk, and posts start appearing in groups saying prisoners are being moved.
- A few hours before the strike, militants in a DPR group post that they are firing from the direction of Olenivka toward Ukrainian positions, but there's no response. They don't post anything else after that.
- Then, the explosion-event at the prison.
- People are posting about explosions in various groups, but most mention there was no characteristic sound of a rocket flying overhead—just the blast itself.
- Medics later report that everyone inside was either wounded or killed.
- The next day, reporter Morozov reports that following the Ukrainian strike on the prison, about 50 were killed and 70 wounded—and by some lucky coincidence, not a single guard was hit or killed.
The Russians only seem to care about the captured Chechens; during prisoner swaps, they only look for them. Other national minorities don't interest them, and they care even less about the DPR and LPR soldiers.