Sanctions on Russia
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Just more of the same old story, honestly! 😁
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Nancy Gomez26 said:I find myself in agreement with those points. That said, higher pressure means more gas will be discharged into the surrounding medium—the ocean, in this instance—which exists at a much lower pressure. Naturally, a larger vessel (calculated by the cross-sectional area of the pipeline multiplied by its length) will release an even greater volume of gas into the water. As the pressure differential narrows—because the pressure within the leaking vessel drops while the ambient ocean pressure remains constant—the rate of leakage will inevitably slow down over time. Based on the imagery we've seen, the initial discharge was incredibly intense; from an aircraft, you could clearly see the gas erupting at the surface, 100 meters directly above the breach.
Nancy Gomez26 said:If the pressure had truly been dropped that low right before the sabotage—assuming the pipeline sits 330 feet below the ocean floor—we wouldn't be seeing this massive plume of gas bubbles on the surface. At that depth, the ocean exerts more pressure than those alleged 7 bars. Since gas is lighter than water, some would certainly escape to the surface depending on the hole's size and location, but it wouldn't manifest in such a concentrated, massive volume. The reality is that the pipeline was under significant pressure; it’s been leaking for days (which explains the dropping pressure), and the breach itself is substantial—potentially a full-section rupture.
Joshua Myers432 said:Didn't I say it before? It's incredibly easy to scribble down nonsense, but much harder to read it with any actual comprehension. Regarding Russia, they view Crimea as part of their territory, and they believe they get to decide how to react when someone targets their province. In their minds, it's settled history; they held their referendum eight years ago, the people voted for annexation, and to them, the case is closed.
As for the idea that NATO countries will jump into a nuclear conflict over Ukraine—forget it. I'd love to see which Prime Minister or President is actually going to order a nuclear strike on Moscow just because Russia uses a tactical nuke on something in Ukraine. Of course, the Russians swear they won't do it, but nobody with half a brain believes them.
Joshua Myers432 said:That’s irrelevant. This is about terrain configuration and access to the peninsula. Crimea is relatively easy to defend. But take the route to Moscow, for example; that's much harder to hold if the enemy has air superiority.
Maybe they should just extend the road to Moscow. Once they take Moscow, Crimea is theirs.
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Of course, we haven't even factored in the use of tactical nuclear weapons. I think the Russians have made it crystal clear they'll use them if the Russian Federation is threatened. And those idiots consider Crimea part of the Russian Federation, so by their logic... 😉
urbanotter said:👍 👍
It is refreshing to finally see a few expert, intelligent posts on this topic instead of just the constant trolling that usually dominates this thread.
Once again, 👍
I actually have a former classmate from my engineering days who spent his entire career working for ExxonMobil, both domestically and all over the world. We haven't caught up in quite a while, but he used to describe things in a very similar way to what you're saying here.
Regarding the other matter, I won't speculate much, but it's becoming increasingly obvious just how "successful" these sanctions are proving to be and who is ultimately going to end up feeling the squeeze.
Nancy Gomez26 said:That is the reality of our wells. But does anyone have data or info regarding the status of the gas fields in Russia, which supply gas and oil to the European Union? Are those fields also the type where production can be easily toggled on and off, or must the flow remain constant? What is the situation with the pipelines in Russia—can the flow through them be stopped and restarted without issue, or is it a complex process? There was some talk that Russians cannot simply shut down production at their gas and oil fields; I'm curious how much truth there is to that.
rowdyraven112 said:So, when most of us objectively said that sanctions wouldn't do much good for the economy or the market, we were labeled Putinophiles, right? And remember how everyone claimed the European Union would quickly replace everything they used to import from Russia? I said it wouldn't happen that fast. Well, we just confirmed that the OPEC countries—who people like you claimed would save the European Union economy—are actually just greedy war profiteers on par with Vladimir Putin. ☕
You know what’s peak stupidity? When half the Western-leaning posters shouted "I told you so" after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Give me a break. You think you're CIA level because you "knew" Russia was going to invade while only Joe Biden was warning them and nobody else? ☕
Look, I'll admit it: I was one of the few calling it straight from the start—that Vladimir Putin is a calculating bastard and that Russia invaded Ukraine. But suggesting we cut them out of global trade without any calculation or analysis? That’s about as smart as a Vlade Vukojević thesis at a community college in Indianapolis. ☕
Take fruit and vegetable farmers in the Midwest, for example, whose products mostly went to Eastern markets. They already had issues back in 2014 with the Russian occupation of Crimea, so they managed by selling to middlemen in other countries who then flipped the produce for a higher price. Now, they'll be forced to sell below cost to war profiteers in OPEC nations, who will then flip it again at an even higher price for the Russian market. What's the result? You destroy local family farms. Our domestic population isn't big enough to buy up all the production, even if we ate nothing but tomatoes, melons, tangerines, and oranges all day long. Lower prices lead to less production, fewer jobs, and shut-down operations. Once production dies, there's no god alive who can easily restart it. We saw this during the COVID crisis when lockdowns hit and oil and gas wells were shut down because demand plummeted. As soon as things returned to normal, gas prices spiked—not because there wasn't enough supply, but because everyone started demanding massive amounts at once. Restarting a well isn't some trivial task. Ask any mining engineer. ☕
As for the posters defending the other side, I'm just fascinated by your "doctorates" from community colleges in Indianapolis and the absolute nonsense that comes out of them. ☕
I don't know what to tell you guys, I'm just looking at the data and it's hitting me right in the gut because everything feels like it's moving way too fast! Like, seriously, how are we even supposed to keep up when the markets are swinging this hard? I’ve been sitting here staring at the charts and honestly, my head is spinning. You see someone like rowdyraven112 making points about the volatility and you just have to nod because they aren't wrong, but man, it’s exhausting trying to stay ahead of the curve when the whole landscape keeps shifting under your feet! kaže:
So, basically, the "arbitration court" just dropped its decision...
I honestly don't know how much more of this back-and-forth we can take before someone actually steps up and makes a call! It feels like we're just spinning our wheels while everything else shifts around us. Every time I think we've hit a turning point, another piece of news drops and we're right back at square one. It’s exhausting, man, truly. kaže:
Alright, let's get back to talking about those sanctions.
Orban was basically saying he initially thought the European Union was just shooting itself in the foot by slapping those sanctions on!
Man, just imagine if they realized right now that was actually a shot to the lungs and they can't even catch their breath anymore... seriously.
Terry Green3 said:The bureaucrats panicking over how miserable Americans might feel when fuel prices spike should take a good look at this.
Insane traffic jams heading toward the coast.
While the less affluent parts of the West—think folks in places like Poland, Slovakia, or Canada—are driving thousands of miles just to escape the monotony of work or celebrate a holiday, they don't seem to give a damn about how sanctions against Russia are hitting the wallet.
I’m telling you. This could be even worse if our politicians weren't such complete idiots.☕
Arthur Miller7 said:It’s honestly wild how some people can just stubbornly insist that America is the root of every single problem on this planet. Like, seriously? Wars have been happening since long before the US was even a thing. Ever since humans started walking upright, we've been killing each other—that's just history. But no, there’s always this crowd ready to blame America for every ounce of evil in the world. Honestly, I’m just exhausted from reading such mindless nonsense
Kimberly Perez82 said:It seems to me you weren't around for the American Civil War. Truly, if you had lived through it, you would realize that what you're describing is virtually impossible given the current balance of power. Our strength today is exponentially greater than it was back in the nineties. Of course, that assumes Russia doesn't jump directly into a military confrontation—but if they do, the West will step in too, and then we're looking at a massive, chaotic free-for-all. So, really, you can sleep soundly tonight.
cosmicotter13 said:Thanks for the long-winded replies and all the counter-questions. Let me try to clarify things and translate this from "Republican Party political jargon" into plain English.
1. The benefit for you is peace of mind, I suppose, because people are panicking and terrified of an attack from the Mexicans. And that same panic will follow once Ukraine capitulates. Personally, I think the more we involve ourselves, the more we weaken the US Army—we've already "donated" weapons for several reserve brigades and millions of rounds of ammo ($1.00 per bullet, roughly)—and more importantly, the risks escalate until we become a target for nuclear weapons. If Dodik makes his move, we'll be in even deeper trouble.
But hey, if this helps you sleep better at night, fine. Not everyone thinks the same way.
2. Another counter-question. Fine. What kind of "reward" are we supposed to expect? Once we strip away all the nonsense you threw out there, your argument is that we should feast on Ukrainian natural resources. So, what? Special concessions for Americans? We had a similar idea in Syria—$20 billion on the table—and the West didn't give us a second thought while we ended up broke. But you actually believe the story with Ukraine will be different and that Americans will be invited to the spoils, right?
3. Again, no answer, just more questions! Give me a number—$100, $933, $10,000...? Four dead, 500 dead, or everyone getting wiped out by nukes?
You tried, I guess. You answered almost nothing.
Kate Cook27 said:Moldova was planning an attack on the Russian population, so the Russians stepped in to stop them. Same thing happened in Georgia—Russia intervened there too. For eight years now, the Ukrainian regime in Kyiv has been committing genocide against the Russians in the Donbas. For eight years, the Russians have been pleading with the West, but nobody would listen. The final straw was when the Nazi regime in Kyiv, working alongside NATO, planned an assault on the Donbas. Russia had to act.
cosmicotter13 said:Well, since you're clearly so "brilliant" and "well-informed," why don't you be a gentleman and actually answer your colleague?!
Look, I didn't sleep through the war—I was right there, a volunteer fighting for the cause—so I’m genuinely asking for an answer here. Back then, Ukraine provided us with next to nothing ( and certainly nothing for free. Honestly, the West was more of a nuisance than a help. Even the Russians were selling weapons to both sides, which, given the circumstances, was more useful than any "assistance" we got from Yury Borisov, the USA, Canada, and the rest of them.
American supporters of the Ukrainian cause are hitting a wall when faced with three very simple questions.
The damage being done to Americans is obvious and undeniable, yet:
1. What exactly are we getting out of this right now?
2. What kind of reward—be it economic or political down the road—is waiting for us after all these sacrifices?
3. How much has the average American already paid for the Ukrainian cause, and how much more will it cost (in dollars, euros, or blood), assuming there's even a limit to it?
And sure, I agree—we should provide humanitarian aid, take in refugees, and hand over all those weapons that they once handed to us during our own struggle.
Timothy Williams5 said:Personally, I find myself leaning toward the Russian perspective; I’m constantly reading RIA and TASS, and I make it a point to watch Russia-1 TV during prime time via Chinese IPTV.
And let me tell you, compared to the absolute nothingness you see in Western, global, or even mainstream American media, it is a complete horror show.
The whole thing feels like total state-sponsored schizophrenia.
Jose Clark2 said:It's obvious they won't pull out of Ukraine completely. Russ simply cannot afford to lose this war; they need concessions. If we don't give them what they want, what happens then?