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How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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get your butt back here right away so I can finally see all those jokes and little pranks you promised me 😉
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man, good for you!
😘 🙂
🎉
I think I might just have a drink or two today in your honor too,
in Septimus's honor
actually, let's just say in our honor
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man, good for you!
😘 🙂
🎉
I think I might just have a drink or two today in your honor too,
in Septimus's honor
actually, let's just say in our honor
🙂
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
in Women's Health ·
Dea, I really have to tell you, I just absolutely love the way you write... the way you express everything you're feeling and how you basically "paint pictures with words" 🙂
and I honestly think it’s such a good thing, you know? Just being able to get all those confusing thoughts and emotions out there like that 🙂
so, I actually went in for a checkup yesterday: an ultrasound for my armpit and internal organs
what can I even say... I mean, deep down I had this gut feeling that everything was going to be fine, but still, that old familiar friend ANXIETY decided to drop by and pretty much followed me around for a while
but luckily, the results came back totally normal👍
it felt like a massive weight was lifted off my shoulders, and right then and there, that fear retreated back into its little cave where it just sits and waits for its next chance to show up
I can feel it getting a little weaker and fainter with every visit, though I’m pretty sure it’ll be sticking around for a long time yet
so, I've decided I'm not even going to fight it anymore; instead, I'm just learning how to live alongside it 🙂
Anyway, dear Dea, I'm heading to the coast tomorrow, so I won't be around the forum for a bit
but I'll definitely be thinking of you🙂
and I honestly think it’s such a good thing, you know? Just being able to get all those confusing thoughts and emotions out there like that 🙂
so, I actually went in for a checkup yesterday: an ultrasound for my armpit and internal organs
what can I even say... I mean, deep down I had this gut feeling that everything was going to be fine, but still, that old familiar friend ANXIETY decided to drop by and pretty much followed me around for a while
but luckily, the results came back totally normal👍
it felt like a massive weight was lifted off my shoulders, and right then and there, that fear retreated back into its little cave where it just sits and waits for its next chance to show up
I can feel it getting a little weaker and fainter with every visit, though I’m pretty sure it’ll be sticking around for a long time yet
so, I've decided I'm not even going to fight it anymore; instead, I'm just learning how to live alongside it 🙂
Anyway, dear Dea, I'm heading to the coast tomorrow, so I won't be around the forum for a bit
but I'll definitely be thinking of you🙂
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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electricdriver78 said:Dea
I mean, I don't really have anything super profound to add here,
but hang in there, okay? 🙂
darkviper5, just so you know, based on what you said, Magnetic Resonance Imaging—or MRI—is basically used to spot all kinds of soft tissue anomalies.
Like, if you’ve got a torn tendon or maybe some pinched nerve or something like that.
I’m pretty sure we have access to that here in the States too, because I remember having a similar scan back in the day, maybe like 20 years ago, when I was over in Chicago.
Yeah, Margie, thanks for adding that bit.
It’s actually not just limited to soft tissue though, it can pick up all sorts of anomalies, including bone issues too.
And I’m fairly certain they have it here in America; it’s just more about whether insurance covers it or not, since around here they usually only bite if it's one of those "special" cases.😢
slyraven82, first off, let me just give you a hugeeeee 🙂 hug for being so incredibly brave and for radiating such positive vibes even during times as tough as this.
As for the biopsy part:
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slyraven82 says:
darkviper5, are the results from a puncture and tissue biopsy completely foolproof?
They are, provided they actually hit the right tissue.
I mean, if my results come back clear, am I actually CERTAIN that everything is fine?
I honestly can't give you a definitive answer on that because I'm definitely not a doctor.
And how does a tumor—God, I hope it's benign—react to the biopsy later on? Does it trigger faster growth, or does it move, or does something else entirely happen?
Sadly, there are rare cases where things looked totally safe at first, but then six months later, malignant cells showed up during a follow-up, but that’s really not the rule!
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I'm just glad I could help you out a little bit.🙂
Along with these words of support, I'm sending a whole bag of positive thoughts your way.
Hopefully, they'll stay with you through this difficult stretch.🙂
😘
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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Sorry slyraven82, I’m a little confused because I don't think I quite follow everything you're saying...
Are you currently just in the middle of doing research, like, checking out all the results right now?
So, yeah, just take it slow, okay?
They’ve identified a lump, but they can't really tell what it is or what kind of thing we're looking at yet?
Don't rush into anything until you feel like you're 100% sure about what's going on.
You should have the option to get a tissue biopsy—you know, where they use a needle to take a tiny sample from the lump itself.
Then there's also the possibility of getting an MRI (don't quote me on this, but if I remember my translations right, it's similar to a CT scan, except it uses magnetic resonance? Like, in German, it's called Magnetresonanztomographie).
Basically, they look at the tissue inside that big "tube" while you lie there; first, they inject some fluid into your vein that stays concentrated in the tumor area, and then they take images of the breast tissue layer by layer inside the machine.
It takes forever and it’s expensive as hell; here in Germany, the healthcare system usually only covers it in "special cases," like when the other tests don't give a clear enough picture.
An MRI is actually a super reliable way to check things out.
If they do end up diagnosing cancer—which I am praying with all my heart isn't the case—then, despite all the fear and shock, try to stay as level-headed as you can.
Maybe ask if there's a way in America to do tumor tissue testing to see how it reacts to different types of chemotherapy drugs?
In Germany, they actually have a specific type of test for that, and insurance covers it in the meantime; they test a piece of the tumor against various chemo drugs to figure out which one works best, and then that specific chemo is prescribed (if it's needed, depending on the results).
If I had known about that sooner, I definitely would have done it myself.
Also, maybe talk things over with your doctor about whether it's possible to just operate on the lump without doing a full mastectomy? (It's really important that the surgeon has a lot of experience and years under their belt for this, because they need to be able to tell the difference between diseased and healthy tissue so they can remove the whole lump "within healthy tissue.")
And you might want to ask if they use the sentinel node method: that's where they mark the first lymph node near the breast tissue using a radioactive substance injected into the vein and a CT scan.
With that technique, they "only" remove that one sentinel node and maybe a few nearby ones, rather than removing everything like they used to do (which is huge, because if they take everything out, there's a risk of getting lymphedema, where fluid builds up in your arm).
Gosh, I shouldn't write any more, I don't want to scare you!
But hey, if you want to chat about it, just let me know.
Oh, and regarding those gene tests, I probably can't help much since I'm not really an expert on that stuff.
What was it that made him bring that up to you in the first place?
Is there a history of cancer in your family?
Ah, wait, I just read that, sorry!
I know of some women who decided to have tissue removed from both breasts on their doctor's recommendation and got implants just because breast cancer runs in their families.
You know, as a preventative measure.
Stay strong.
Xoxo
Are you currently just in the middle of doing research, like, checking out all the results right now?
So, yeah, just take it slow, okay?
They’ve identified a lump, but they can't really tell what it is or what kind of thing we're looking at yet?
Don't rush into anything until you feel like you're 100% sure about what's going on.
You should have the option to get a tissue biopsy—you know, where they use a needle to take a tiny sample from the lump itself.
Then there's also the possibility of getting an MRI (don't quote me on this, but if I remember my translations right, it's similar to a CT scan, except it uses magnetic resonance? Like, in German, it's called Magnetresonanztomographie).
Basically, they look at the tissue inside that big "tube" while you lie there; first, they inject some fluid into your vein that stays concentrated in the tumor area, and then they take images of the breast tissue layer by layer inside the machine.
It takes forever and it’s expensive as hell; here in Germany, the healthcare system usually only covers it in "special cases," like when the other tests don't give a clear enough picture.
An MRI is actually a super reliable way to check things out.
If they do end up diagnosing cancer—which I am praying with all my heart isn't the case—then, despite all the fear and shock, try to stay as level-headed as you can.
Maybe ask if there's a way in America to do tumor tissue testing to see how it reacts to different types of chemotherapy drugs?
In Germany, they actually have a specific type of test for that, and insurance covers it in the meantime; they test a piece of the tumor against various chemo drugs to figure out which one works best, and then that specific chemo is prescribed (if it's needed, depending on the results).
If I had known about that sooner, I definitely would have done it myself.
Also, maybe talk things over with your doctor about whether it's possible to just operate on the lump without doing a full mastectomy? (It's really important that the surgeon has a lot of experience and years under their belt for this, because they need to be able to tell the difference between diseased and healthy tissue so they can remove the whole lump "within healthy tissue.")
And you might want to ask if they use the sentinel node method: that's where they mark the first lymph node near the breast tissue using a radioactive substance injected into the vein and a CT scan.
With that technique, they "only" remove that one sentinel node and maybe a few nearby ones, rather than removing everything like they used to do (which is huge, because if they take everything out, there's a risk of getting lymphedema, where fluid builds up in your arm).
Gosh, I shouldn't write any more, I don't want to scare you!
But hey, if you want to chat about it, just let me know.
Oh, and regarding those gene tests, I probably can't help much since I'm not really an expert on that stuff.
What was it that made him bring that up to you in the first place?
Is there a history of cancer in your family?
Ah, wait, I just read that, sorry!
I know of some women who decided to have tissue removed from both breasts on their doctor's recommendation and got implants just because breast cancer runs in their families.
You know, as a preventative measure.
Stay strong.
Xoxo
And just like that, freshman year is over...
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well, look at you go, bravo
I really hope this keeps going, honestly, the longer the better 🙂
sending big hugs to you and Barbie😘
I really hope this keeps going, honestly, the longer the better 🙂
sending big hugs to you and Barbie😘
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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Norris said:Look, it’s not even like it’s just MY opinion here.
The doctors themselves actually wrote those things, and honestly, there are tons of them who feel the exact same way.
They’re the ones who authored those articles, not me.
I mean, if you rely solely on self-exams, you might end up with this totally false sense of security—so, I guess, if you're already feeling anxious about it, maybe just head to the doctor three times a year for a legit checkup.
Personally, I go once a year, and my doctor told me the same thing—that doing these little self-checks can be kind of pointless.
I mean, there are all kinds of doctors out there... and obviously, everyone has their own little theories and different takes on things.
At the end of the day, it's really up to you to decide who you want to listen to and what you want to believe.
As for me, I don't do self-exams because, well, I'm scared that I might actually find something; instead, I get checked so that if I *do* happen to feel something, we can catch it "in time" while it's still in those early stages where treatment actually works well, before it has a chance to spread...
But, I really don't have any intention of trying to convince you that self-exams are absolutely necessary or useful.
Everyone is responsible for their own health, so I suppose everyone should just decide and do whatever they feel is best for them.
I truly wish you nothing but the best. 🙂
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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Oh my gosh, I am seriously at a loss for words after reading what you wrote here 😢
I honestly can't believe there are actually women out there who think the way you do 😢
So, about those self-exams—you’re saying they should be done every single month, right? But does that mean we all need to be running to the gynecologist every month too, just because we aren't medical professionals or anything? 😕
And yeah, okay, I get it, it's super hard at first to tell if you're feeling normal tissue or something else entirely, but I guess you just have to practice until you get it down perfectly, right? I mean, nobody is born knowing how to do this stuff, not even the doctors 😉
And that whole part about it being better not to look because you might find something... 🙄
Come on, maybe just go back and read through my previous posts one more time
Do you really think I would have been poking around and checking myself if I hadn't felt something suspicious that I then had to go get treated for?
I really want to emphasize again that the whole big advantage here is that if something *does* get caught during those early stages of development, the chances of successful treatment are incredibly high, at least before anything has a chance to metastasize
Of course, that isn't some kind of magic guarantee for a long life, but personally, doing my own checks is what gave me more time, and I am just so incredibly grateful for that 🙂
I honestly can't believe there are actually women out there who think the way you do 😢
So, about those self-exams—you’re saying they should be done every single month, right? But does that mean we all need to be running to the gynecologist every month too, just because we aren't medical professionals or anything? 😕
And yeah, okay, I get it, it's super hard at first to tell if you're feeling normal tissue or something else entirely, but I guess you just have to practice until you get it down perfectly, right? I mean, nobody is born knowing how to do this stuff, not even the doctors 😉
And that whole part about it being better not to look because you might find something... 🙄
Come on, maybe just go back and read through my previous posts one more time
Do you really think I would have been poking around and checking myself if I hadn't felt something suspicious that I then had to go get treated for?
I really want to emphasize again that the whole big advantage here is that if something *does* get caught during those early stages of development, the chances of successful treatment are incredibly high, at least before anything has a chance to metastasize
Of course, that isn't some kind of magic guarantee for a long life, but personally, doing my own checks is what gave me more time, and I am just so incredibly grateful for that 🙂
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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hey, this one's for all my girls living over in Germany
so, here's how you actually do a proper breast self-exam
so, here's how you actually do a proper breast self-exam
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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darkviper5 said:I guess for younger women, just getting a really good ultrasound might actually be plenty, you know? Like, if it’s a high-resolution one... I mean, I assume most of us can only find those kinds of machines at private clinics here in the States, since even in Germany they aren't exactly everywhere— at least my first radiologist didn't have one on hand! But yeah, it gives much clearer results because breast tissue in younger ladies is so firm, so those scans are probably way easier to read than mammogram shots.
Just to clear things up though: when I said "here," I was talking about America, not Germany
Even over in Germany, I still see public doctors and honestly, I haven't had to pay out of pocket for a single checkup yet, not even for an MRI
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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It’s honestly just so heartbreaking reading everything going on here 😢
I mean, unfortunately, it feels like so many doctors out there still seem convinced that breast cancer is mostly an older person's problem, so they don't really take it seriously when a young woman comes in totally panicking because she felt "something" during a self-check 😢
If only all of them actually did their jobs competently (and let's be real, there are plenty who probably don't even know how to perform a proper exam themselves!) and treated every tiny little lump as serious enough to run every possible test until they could confirm if it was malignant or not—believe me, I think there would be way fewer "incurable" cases among both younger and older women 😢
Like, when I went to see my OB-GYN after I felt that lump (after I'd poked around and found it), he just goes: "Hmm... I don't feel anything here" 🙄
It wasn't until I actually pointed to it with my own hand that he was like: "Oh, yeah, okay, it's a small lump..."
And immediately after that: "Well, it's probably just a cyst or a fibroadenoma, but if it makes you feel better, I can send you for an ultrasound..."
As if that would make me feel better! I mean, it's his actual job to figure out what's going on and to order tests for any suspicious lump, even if it turns out to be 100% harmless
Not to mention those frequent stories I read on forums where doctors, even when a lump is physically felt, won't do any follow-up testing and just say: "Come back in six months and we'll see if the shape changes or grows" 🙄 ... and then it just keeps going like that until it's truly too late and the disease has spread through the whole body 😢
Or even cases where radiologists miss malignant cell changes on mammograms—I don't know if it's a lack of expertise or just a lack of interest?
I actually ditched my doctor the second I walked out of the hospital; I did some digging and found a specialist who has tons of experience dealing with patients facing these kinds of illnesses (which obviously isn't a total guarantee, but after our first appointment where she spent almost an hour just talking to me and explaining everything about the disease and the treatments I wanted to know, I feel like I can totally trust her 🙂)
So today, after learning everything I have, my advice to any woman who has even the slightest suspicion of an irregular shape in her breasts (no matter how old you are!!!) is please, do not give up until you get clarity
And if a doctor laughs at you or doesn't take you seriously, just fire them. Find someone who will actually treat you with respect
For younger girls and women, a good ultrasound is usually more than enough (specifically a high-resolution one; I assume those are mostly only available at private clinics, since even in Germany you don't see them everywhere—at least my first radiologist didn't have one); it gives much better results because younger breast tissue is so dense, making the images much easier to analyze than a mammogram
I still firmly believe that doing self-exams is such a vital habit: if you do it regularly, maybe once a month a few days after your period (it's probably best to use a little oil and gently massage the area), you'll eventually—like someone else mentioned before—get to know your breasts well enough to tell if something you feel is actually new or if it's always been there
And if you do find something, try not to panic, because lumps in the breast are actually more often benign than dangerous
But you absolutely have to get the necessary tests done to be sure 🙂
Love, darkviper5
I mean, unfortunately, it feels like so many doctors out there still seem convinced that breast cancer is mostly an older person's problem, so they don't really take it seriously when a young woman comes in totally panicking because she felt "something" during a self-check 😢
If only all of them actually did their jobs competently (and let's be real, there are plenty who probably don't even know how to perform a proper exam themselves!) and treated every tiny little lump as serious enough to run every possible test until they could confirm if it was malignant or not—believe me, I think there would be way fewer "incurable" cases among both younger and older women 😢
Like, when I went to see my OB-GYN after I felt that lump (after I'd poked around and found it), he just goes: "Hmm... I don't feel anything here" 🙄
It wasn't until I actually pointed to it with my own hand that he was like: "Oh, yeah, okay, it's a small lump..."
And immediately after that: "Well, it's probably just a cyst or a fibroadenoma, but if it makes you feel better, I can send you for an ultrasound..."
As if that would make me feel better! I mean, it's his actual job to figure out what's going on and to order tests for any suspicious lump, even if it turns out to be 100% harmless
Not to mention those frequent stories I read on forums where doctors, even when a lump is physically felt, won't do any follow-up testing and just say: "Come back in six months and we'll see if the shape changes or grows" 🙄 ... and then it just keeps going like that until it's truly too late and the disease has spread through the whole body 😢
Or even cases where radiologists miss malignant cell changes on mammograms—I don't know if it's a lack of expertise or just a lack of interest?
I actually ditched my doctor the second I walked out of the hospital; I did some digging and found a specialist who has tons of experience dealing with patients facing these kinds of illnesses (which obviously isn't a total guarantee, but after our first appointment where she spent almost an hour just talking to me and explaining everything about the disease and the treatments I wanted to know, I feel like I can totally trust her 🙂)
So today, after learning everything I have, my advice to any woman who has even the slightest suspicion of an irregular shape in her breasts (no matter how old you are!!!) is please, do not give up until you get clarity
And if a doctor laughs at you or doesn't take you seriously, just fire them. Find someone who will actually treat you with respect
For younger girls and women, a good ultrasound is usually more than enough (specifically a high-resolution one; I assume those are mostly only available at private clinics, since even in Germany you don't see them everywhere—at least my first radiologist didn't have one); it gives much better results because younger breast tissue is so dense, making the images much easier to analyze than a mammogram
I still firmly believe that doing self-exams is such a vital habit: if you do it regularly, maybe once a month a few days after your period (it's probably best to use a little oil and gently massage the area), you'll eventually—like someone else mentioned before—get to know your breasts well enough to tell if something you feel is actually new or if it's always been there
And if you do find something, try not to panic, because lumps in the breast are actually more often benign than dangerous
But you absolutely have to get the necessary tests done to be sure 🙂
Love, darkviper5
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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someone said:But honestly, it’s all about practicing until you know your own body inside and out. I mean, you really should get used to checking everything—like, definitely check under the nipple and all around, especially moving toward the armpit area, since that upper outer quadrant is where most things tend to pop up. If you just take the time to really get familiar with how things normally feel, you'll catch any weird changes right away if something ever goes wrong.
I totally agree,
plus you could always just ask your OB-GYN to actually walk you through the best ways to do a self-exam during your next visit, 🙂
How to perform a proper breast self-exam?
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loler said:I totally get that whole "searching for something" anxiety too, it’s honestly such a nerve-wracking thing to deal with.
Like, I have more active lymph nodes, and I always feel this little lump, you know? It moves around near my armpit area, but then it just... disappears. It isn't really there all the time, mostly.
But yeah, I guess the best plan is just to stick your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong, because who knows? You might actually find something scary if you look.
I mean, seriously, if I don't check—if I don't feel anything—then the illness just keeps progressing quietly, and by the time it actually shows up, it might be way too late for any kind of treatment to even work.🙄
Come on, ladies, please, just take care of yourselves.
I honestly can't even wrap my head around what would have happened if I hadn't been checking myself and found that lump, or if I hadn't gone in for my checkups (first I had an ultrasound where they were all like, "it's nothing, just some calcification," but then just to be safe, I went in for a mammogram, and that's when they were like, "we're seeing some suspicious tissue that needs to be removed immediately").
Maybe I wouldn't even be holding my little sunshine in my arms today.😢
Sorry, girls, I guess I just get really frustrated by those kinds of naive attitudes.
Ear infections
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Justin Gonzalez87 said:Honestly, I’m sitting here thinking about how this just isn't right, you know? Like, why does it happen so often, why is it always the exact same ear, and why does it feel like life is just constantly trying to screw me over?!😠
🙂
Hang in there, girl, because maybe what doesn't kill us just leaves us a little more exhausted than before.🙂
So, my husband is actually heading over to see that doctor this afternoon since we need to grab a few other things too, and I guess I was just too nervous to ask him myself earlier. I have a feeling it's going to be quite an eventful visit.🙄 😁]
Well, if he's already making the trip, he might as well grab that referral while he's at it.😉
I really think a specialist should take a look at it, because having infections that frequent definitely isn't normal.
It’s honestly not easy for anyone, especially when the pain gets that intense.
😢
OB/GYN Discussion Thread
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Bradley Smith said:Hey everyone else,
good evening, there's a newcomer here... and I really didn't mean to just barge in like this, but honestly, those medical professionals have me feeling a little spooked...🙂
Welcome 🙂
and don't you worry one bit
it's just our own Austin Chavez76, she doesn't bite at all😁
Natural remedies and home cures
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Kenneth Hernandez67 said:Just grab some pine or spruce resin—you know, those light green sticky bits.
There’s a ton of it, which basically means a massive amount of sugar content in there.
So, you just toss it all into a jar and set it out in the sun, then maybe give it a little shake every now and then.
After about three weeks, you just strain the whole thing.
Then you can take like two or three little spoonfuls of the syrup every day.
It’s great for fighting off those nasty seasonal colds and flu stuff. 🙂
Wait, does it actually need to be sitting in the sun the whole time?
Like, what happens if we get a week where it's just totally cloudy and raining?😕
Starbucks
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Betty Rivera14 said:So, I was reading this thing the other day—or maybe I just heard someone mention it at a coffee shop? I don't know, my memory is kind of a mess sometimes—but I heard this wild rumor that Starbucks could actually be, like, totally lethal... though, I guess if you were crazy enough to swallow the whole thing along with the packaging, right? That would probably do it, I suppose.🙄
No way, seriously though, I actually swallow those things on a regular basis—and yeah, I’m talking about the packaging too, since I try to be pretty diligent about breaking down all my recycling and waste—and honestly, I haven't felt any different at all, I guess. 😁
OB/GYN Discussion Thread
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Eric Booth39 said:Can anyone recommend a really solid doctor in Chicago?😁
Dr. Miller (I think his name is David)
I used to see him all the time before I moved over to Denver, and honestly, I just wanted to say he’s absolutely fantastic, if you can find him.
OB/GYN Discussion Thread
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placidjackal97 said:I think I expressed myself pretty clearly, honestly. I haven't personally heard of any doctors out here just working strictly for cash under the table. I mean, I'm not saying they don't exist, obviously, but I guess 99% of people probably wouldn't even feel the need to pay like that if they have decent health insurance coverage through their job or whatever.
And besides, I think you're totally misinterpreting what Suza was actually getting at earlier:
She was saying there are definitely doctors who will only see you if you're either on a private plan or if you're paying out of pocket upfront!
And look, I’m telling you this from my own experience—it’s true: there are clinics out there that exclusively take patients with private insurance (which is such a pain, honestly).
Like, an osteopath we saw recently charged us directly for her services (we did four sessions total), and her business card literally says "private insurance only."
So, I mean, it’s super likely there are gynecologists out there who work that same way too, only taking private patients.
Trauma from Mayo Clinic
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frozenangler9😢 😢 😢
I honestly feel so bad that everything turned out this way, I really do...
But you just have to dig deep and stay incredibly persistent if you want to prove to those doctors that they aren't some kind of gods just because they wear white coats!!!
😢
I honestly feel so bad that everything turned out this way, I really do...
But you just have to dig deep and stay incredibly persistent if you want to prove to those doctors that they aren't some kind of gods just because they wear white coats!!!
😢