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Melissa Collins3 said:Look, you could just minimize those three activities. And obviously, when you hear your phone ringing, you stop whatever you're doing and answer it...

I'm kidding, obviously. My point is to highlight how ridiculous it is to suggest they should call people on their cell phones just to verify their whereabouts. It’s just as nonsensical as trying to track them via GPS. Personally, I don't carry my phone when I go for a run; I’ll leave it at home if I need to. Same goes for when I'm grocery shopping, visiting family, or just driving to a neighboring town for a quick stroll. It simply doesn't make sense. The police have to physically show up at a residence to confirm whether the people who are supposed to be there are actually there. Until we implement electronic ankle monitors or something similar, there really isn't any other effective way to handle this.

Then you just call them back five minutes later and everything is fine, right?

Just like how tracking location makes zero sense—I don't even carry my phone when I go for a run. If I need to, I can just leave it at home when I head out for groceries... or to visit family... or even just for a little stroll to a nearby town...

So? 🤔

It's precisely because it doesn't make sense; the police have to physically show up at a residence to verify if the people who are required to be there actually are. And unless we start using electronic ankle monitors or something similar, there isn't really any other (effective) way to do it.

I mean, what's the actual advantage of an ankle monitor over just using an app on a phone?

-briskjackal5
Nicholas King said:I mean, seriously—wouldn't it be significantly easier to just focus all our attention on monitoring those who actually are subject to mandates, rather than dealing with this entire circus involving passes and, more importantly, those endless police checkpoints?

It's

Just an Apple app on your phone and everything in Canada stays chill, I guess. Maybe everything would be managed by, like, three IT guys, three coordinators, and maybe ten epidemiologists working from their phones making calls one after another. Or just someone who could actually get the job done.
If they just checked in to see how everyone is feeling, tracked the local situations, and made sure people had their phones on them... I don't know, maybe even just ten people doing it. If each person makes 100 calls, that's 1,000 people monitored right there!
And honestly, it doesn't even have to be all doctors or epidemiologists. Just some call center folks paired up with an epidemiologist in the team.

-briskjackal5
Lawrence Reed3 said:I honestly think that cell phone tracking law is probably going to fizzle out too:
Are they giving up on tracking citizens through their mobile phones?

The amendments to the law that would have allowed the government to track people via their smartphones have been sent to the U.S. Congress for a second reading. Does this mean the administration has basically thrown in the towel?

- The whole point of that law was to catch folks who were mass-returning from ski resorts in places like Italy or Austria when the outbreak first kicked off. But since that incubation period has passed, we're seeing how the CDC and other federal agencies are looking at ways to use modern tech to better spot infected people—or those who aren't following isolation rules.

I guess they’ll be brainstorming along those lines now, though I'm not really sure what will actually come out of those talks right now, said the official.

If it's heading to a second reading, maybe we can assume the crisis is calming down? If so, does this law even make sense anymore?

- Well, obviously, if the crisis settles down, then it doesn't make sense. That's why we need to do everything possible to get things back to normal ASAP. We just have to stick to the guidelines.

If there are people testing positive who still want to travel—even if they're supposed to be isolating—we definitely have to keep an eye on them. It's about appealing to their conscience, sure, but also having the police and federal inspectors step in where needed, the official added.


http://www.nytimes.com/news/US_updates_refresh=true

A measure like that actually makes sense because it's specifically designed to help contain the outbreak.

I mean, you can't expect to get results like South Korea without actually doing what South Korea did, right?
Or, well, let's not get ahead of ourselves with those kinds of dreams.

-briskjackal5
Bryan Taylor6 said:Everyone knows those guys from Murter are hardcore skiers; he spent three months skiing out in Colorado...😁

Have you ever even heard of a country called "Italy"?

-Stipe
hollowmason64 said:Look, the government doesn't care if you're hooking up at a different spot every single night, but if you stay at the same place for more than 15 days, you're supposed to report that change of residence.

I honestly don't know if they're overstepping; I haven't run into anyone like that personally.
And who’s saying they’re violating Constitution-guaranteed rights? One judge's opinion isn't the official stance of the Supreme Court. The Court could easily reach a conclusion that's the exact opposite of what that one judge thinks, and his view would just be recorded as a dissenting opinion.

Well, goodness gracious, apparently people aren't even allowed to leave their houses anymore. Did you miss that video from a few days ago where the mayor was yelling at some guy just for stepping out a little too far? The mayor starts ranting at him like, "Go home or I'll call a police officer!"

Even here, the cop will just turn you around and won't let you pass. It's not like they're going to beat you with a baton, for crying out loud.🙄
I’m just curious—out of everyone here debating whether this whole thing is working or not, how many of you actually hold an e-Passport and travel daily? I want to know what it’s actually like on the ground.
For instance, I’ve been commuting out of the city every single day for a week now for work. I have my e-Passport, and honestly, not once has a Police officer pulled me over on the way back, even when I was driving through in the afternoon, late at night, or early morning. Personally, I think it's all a bit sloppy.

People claiming everyone is healthy? How can you possibly know that? Do you visit them regularly or something?
Or do you really believe a major retail chain would ever go public with news like that? If one of our cashiers tested positive, there's a good chance others on the same shift did too.
That would be a PR nightmare for them. Something they'd definitely want to avoid.
Fair point, though—sometimes we really need to use our heads.

On another note, Spar was posting ads looking for new sales associates just two or three days ago. It makes me wonder why and how they need more staff when their operating hours have been slashed by a third. It’s a mystery.
Something to chew on.

So, if nearly 80 new cases a day is considered a negligible number, I guess they should just let us out to speed things up a bit, right?

Hmm, I'm not really a fan of this law, I guess.

-Stipe
Tyler Ruiz502 said:How did we even end up with this travel ban? It happened because everyone from the City of Los Angeles—who were facing quarantine—massively fled to the islands, the coasts, or out toward the Midwest... There was Corona in LA. Everywhere else, there wasn't.

But seriously, what kind of logic is behind a ban that stays in effect when there are active cases in every single state?

And get this—it’s being applied at the municipal level. Honestly, it's enough to make you laugh.
The City of Los Angeles isn't divided into municipalities like this. Other states are divided into municipalities.

Up until now, they've made more than a few decent moves. But with this? They really stepped in it. It's just nonsense piled on top of more nonsense. Or am I missing something here?

It really was

-Stipe
Kyle Lopez2 Asks:
I mean, isn't it kind of obvious? I guess everyone who actually knows what they're talking about—both here in the States and everywhere else—has been comparing him to the grip from the very beginning! It feels like that's just the standard conversation at this point, right?🤔

Wait, didn't Rudan actually say he regrets comparing the virus to the flu? I guess it's because none of us ever take the flu that seriously anyway!🤔

Wait, are you actually kidding me right now? Or are you being for real? I mean, I guess I can't tell if you're pulling my leg or if you're actually serious!

Steve
Anthony Jackson2 said:In a scenario where there’s neither herd immunity nor a vaccine—which doesn't change the fact that the virus is effectively just the flu.

Drawing charts on a forum is a pain, but if you're that lost, I'll try to make it easy for you.

lol no way

I honestly have no clue who told you that, but I am pretty sure they were lying to you.

-Steve
wiredotter89 said:Was it not in my best interest? Or maybe because I split my time between multiple addresses?

👍

Even if 30 million people were to die in Italy, that’s only 0.04% of their population. If a similar catastrophe hit the US, we're looking at roughly 1,500 people. A huge chunk of those would likely be critically ill patients who, frankly, wouldn't have survived much longer anyway. It sounds horrific, sure, but we aren't going to lose even 2% of the population.

The sheer level of fear-mongering surrounding this situation is infuriating... and forcing citizens through this ordeal with these permits is pure torture. All of this is just stressing people out, which is arguably worse than the virus itself. People are going to deal with more fallout from the stress of this than from the actual illness.

The priority should be isolating the elderly. Thankfully, my parents understood that; my grandmother already stocked up for Easter so they can spend the next two months staying safe without having to step foot outside.😁

Man, it’s always so easy to talk about 2% of the population "dying off" when you're assuming you won't be one of them, right?

I guess death doesn't seem so heavy when it's just a statistic.

And tell me this—if 2% is such a tiny, insignificant amount, what percentage of the American population do you think "died off" during the entire last war?

-Stipe
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
Rachel Allen55 said:In the States, our first case recovered after about 6 days. This guy (a 45-year-old dude) went on TV and basically said he wouldn't even put it in his top 10 worst illnesses ever. Said he couldn't really tell the difference between this and a standard head cold he had a while back. Just described it as a super basic cold.

Right after he said that, the government suddenly decided to stop counting recoveries. Why though?

(Reuters) - Coronavirus did not compare with 45-year-old Dane Jakob Tage Ramlyng's worst bouts of flu. It was mild. His greatest concern was not passing it on.

The journalist, who was isolated in Copenhagen away from his family until he was declared virus free by doctors, was the first person in Denmark to test positive for coronavirus after returning home from a holiday in northern Italy.

"I had very few symptoms, and it was only headache, stomach illness and cough, throat and pain in the throat. It took like five or six days to get rid of all the symptoms," he said.

"I was never hospitalised. I didn't receive any medicine, because I was fine, it was not like it was very bad for me, as it is for many other people."

Well, I guess that’s really all we needed to know, right?

If we already know that some guy somewhere finally cleared the virus, then I guess that's that!

What's there even to argue about 🤷

-Stipe
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
@Alexander Ramirez18
Yeah, the recovery process takes quite a while, I guess.
But honestly, things haven't been going on for that long here in the States either.
Just exactly three weeks ago, we only had about seven cases total.

@analoggull16
For starters, there are all sorts of different ways this can play out, and people generally try to avoid testing unless they absolutely have to, since getting a positive result could potentially cause some real issues for us.

-Stipe
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
Welcome to the thread, fellow flat-earthers!

Thanks for all the feedback on why we should probably just stop worrying about fighting the Coronavirus since heatstroke is also a thing.

But, I don't know, maybe that idea could still use a little more work. 😁

-briskjackal5
Republican Party - General Discussion in Political Scene ·
The Council of Europe’s anti-corruption watchdog just weighed in, and man, they really called out Plenković in a report that The Cabinet tried so hard to keep under wraps.
According to the OECD Anti-Bribery Convention, officials—no matter how high up they are—absolutely have to cooperate with the Commission.


I guess the real question we should all be asking ourselves is... why on earth do we need some outside group stepping in just to stop our own institutions from falling apart?

Just another 👎 slap in the face for Plenković.

-briskjackal5
Republican Party - General Discussion in Political Scene ·
There’s only one hearing left on the docket today.
Just the one.

https://www.telegram.us/politics-crisis-commission/
So, because of the pandemic, the Administrative Court pushed back every single hearing scheduled for tomorrow—except, get this, Plenković's appeal regarding the Commission's decision.

And the ruling.

http://us.n1info.com/News/a492481...prime-minister.html
The Administrative Court actually overturned the Commission's other decision against the Prime Minister too.

Honestly, it's just gross.👎 👎 👎

I mean, the way the Republican Party is just tearing down our institutions and basic civility here in America... it's just getting worse and worse.😢

-briskjackal5
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
Nicholas Davis4 said:I wouldn't raise an eyebrow regarding those northern islands... but this other situation? They simply haven't tested enough people yet. It isn't that they haven't found anyone uninfected; it's just that they haven't stumbled upon the first case they can actually prove.
Regarding some places, you really have to wonder about the quality of their healthcare and overall organization. I assume Gibraltar would fall under the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom.

They aren't even really relevant when you look at the big picture

-briskjackal5
Republican Party - General Discussion in Political Scene ·
I guess I should probably mention what Quincy said...
granitecyclist said:..."where nearly four million Americans overseas hold only three seats in the US Congress"

Yeah, I suppose that really is quite a small number.
With the current 435 members in the House, maybe there should be at least another 30 representing those abroad...😉

Smith says so.🙂

Someone really needs to sit him down and explain two things to him... seriously.

I mean, they really ought to take a closer look at how many of those "four million" people actually show up to vote when election day rolls around!
It’s also worth pointing out that this tiny little group he keeps talking about? Most of them aren't even "emigrants" like he claims. I mean, they haven't actually lived here, if you know what I mean. Maybe they just show up to vote, but they've never truly called this place home.

I guess having three seats for the diaspora is probably... I don't know, maybe three seats too many? Just my two cents!

briskjackal5
Corona in Feedback & Suggestions ·
velvetmoose9 said:Thanks to everyone for the feedback aimed at making this two-way communication "highway"—with all its intersections and bridges—a little smoother for everyone traveling in any direction.

Just like you’ve got road signs out there regulating traffic (speed limits, one-way streets, no entry, etc.), we have certain rules here on the forum set and maintained by the moderators.
Please stick to the moderator guidelines, the forum rules, and the moderator pdf politics.

Looking at everything written in this thread, the moderation team is trying to steer things toward cooling down the passions and keeping panic at bay, though they're still being pretty liberal and relaxed with how they handle things.

There’s another major point to address here.

In this open discussion, not a single person has actually commented on a single sentence I made in my previous appeal regarding the moderation of the Corona saga.
Instead, you've all just focused on commenting on the moderators as a function.
Nobody has shown even the slightest desire to touch upon the following facts I laid out (and am repeating here):
- We need to show respect and consideration toward every (especially relatively new) virus.
- It's been proven that the Corona virus can lead to fatal outcomes, primarily among the elderly, those with chronic illnesses, the malnourished, or the exhausted (for instance, medical staff in a certain Chinese province were subjected to days of grueling labor—they weren't exactly eating and drinking well, and sleep was basically non-existent).
- It has an extremely high potential for spreading.
- For a very illustrative and educational look at the actual reality of the Corona virus, check out the deep dives online—specifically the Nu2 segment with Aleksandar Stanković on March 1st, 2020, featuring guest Professor Dr. sc. Igor Rudan.
It calls for caution, but without the panic or the hysteria.
It dismantles and demystifies myths and fears.
It’s presented in a way that’s incredibly easy to understand, even for laypeople (honestly, an impressive presentation, much like a packed Dodger Stadium).

The only thing you guys did was repeatedly and biasedly twist my points.

In fact, you even had plenty of room to lament, comment, or correct things over on the PŽK.

You probably didn't even listen to—let alone comment on—one of the greatest (true) authorities on epidemiology from this part of the world; which is exactly why I recommended listening to the views of the esteemed Professor Dr. sc. Igor Rudan right here.

You’re free to read the NYT from February 28th of this year; it has a solid editorial, and you can comment on that too (though, after all this, please don't accidentally wander back onto the PŽK).

You had the chance to develop this discussion in a correct and constructive way.

But instead, many of you went (and kept going) straight for the ad hominem attacks.

The fact that you haven't received your well-deserved "red cards" yet just means that from now on, even the smallest infraction (trolling, insults, acting stupid, ad hominem attacks, playing lawyer, or critiquing the moderation) will be more seriously "rewarded."
Issuing warnings can also be retroactive.

Let's move on in a more casual tone. ☕

I guess I should probably start by saying that we really need to keep in mind that you’re a doctor! Seriously, we actually need you around here, and I think it’s super important that we show you some respect.
I mean, I'm definitely the first one to realize that, for sure!

I really need you—honestly, we all do. You’re going to be our shield, you know? You'll be right there on the front lines, carrying the heaviest part of this whole fight against the virus alongside everyone else who's currently sick. We're counting on you!
I mean, I have such huge respect for doctors, seriously. It’s just absolutely mind-blowing that we’re living in the 21st century and can actually fix things that people even a hundred years ago couldn't even dream of handling. Back then, if you had certain issues, you basically just—well, you just lived with the pain, I guess. It's honestly kind of wild! 😁

I mean, we really have to give credit where credit is due here. It’s honestly probably best if we all just act like we’re on the same team, because, well, I guess we actually are!
Honestly, that’s way more important than just whatever happens to some random topic floating around somewhere!

But then again, since we actually have this thing in our hands now, maybe—just maybe—we can actually fix some of the flaws too? I mean, if we really dig deep, we might even be able to track down where all these issues are coming from and finally get to the root of them!
I really hope I can explain everything clearly enough and present it well! I’m just hoping we can all get on the same page about them—you know, find some common ground—and that they'll be pretty straightforward to actually put into practice. Fingers crossed!

I honestly feel like stuff is getting deleted right now, and people are getting sanctioned just for trying to have a constructive conversation and making really positive contributions to the thread. It's kind of wild, I guess!
I mean, honestly, it would be about time they just stopped doing that already. It really should have happened by now, don't you think?

I mean, honestly? I’m totally fine with just wiping that "today in Spain" post off the map. It wasn't really adding anything to the conversation anyway, you know? Just felt kind of pointless.
I mean, if you look closely at the examples listed right here, it really feels like they're pointing toward something else entirely. I guess... maybe it’s just me, but it definitely suggests a whole different story!
So, like, take today's interview with Rudan, right? It’s honestly crazy because he’s basically saying the exact same things that get people banned from this thread! And I mean, wanderingcanyon61 actually pointed that out as a perfect example of why we even have this whole discussion open in the first place. It's just... yeah, it really highlights the whole issue, I guess!

Look, if a slip-up like that happens once or even twice, it’s really not that big of a deal; you can just brush it off. But if it becomes a permanent thing—like, if that’s basically the only policy they’re following for the thread—then yeah, it definitely starts getting a little awkward.

It’s just totally natural to have all sorts of different... Honestly, just trying to cope right now... I guess you could say I'm hanging in there? Maybe. It’s just one of those things, you know? Just taking it day by day, I suppose! So, I was just thinking about those weird little mechanisms that kick in whenever the data doesn't actually line up with what someone wants to believe or what they've already put out there. It’s kind of wild, right? Like, when the facts just don't match the narrative, people start finding all these ways to spin things. I guess it's just how humans work—we have these built-in ways to deal with it when reality gets in the way of our preferred version of the truth. Maybe it's a defense thing, or maybe we just really hate being wrong! It's pretty fascinating, honestly.
I know this because I’ve got them myself! Honestly, we all have them—they're practically hardwired into our reflexes at this point.
It’s honestly really good to be aware of this stuff. And I guess it’s just as important to revisit your stances, fix them, and basically align everything back with reality.

I mean, you wouldn't exactly expect the group most likely to take an analytical approach to be the ones "panicking" (I mean, it could happen, sure, but it's rare), and it's way more likely that the person trying to label twenty of them that way is actually the one failing to react properly to what's happening.
It happens all the time—some data comes out that doesn't fit the initial thesis held by a mod or yourself (which is why you kind of need a coping mechanism), and there's this natural impulse to just wipe it out immediately. But then people actually go ahead and do it (instead of just revising the theory or letting the conversation breathe), which is where it starts becoming a problem.
Even comments pointing out missed details in certain statements (which are objectively valid) get targeted for removal too; and again, that's exactly what ends up happening.

To justify it to themselves, people say it's because "xy is panicking."
Maybe it's true that wanderingcanyon61 was "spreading panic," but it's probably more likely that the mod just wasn't ready in that moment to deal with what wanderingcanyon61 wrote—specifically a comment pointing out flaws in the reasoning—so, to be more precise, that's why it got deleted.
If that's the case, I think it really ought to be corrected.

I think the roots of all this regarding moderation are that you have to adjust your views based on new data, and accordingly adjust your own expectations about how the thread will play out.

If the data says xyz, then people are going to talk about xyz.
A thread isn't going to flow in a direction where everything is "just like the flu" (using that as an example) if the actual data shows some real differences.
I mean, it *can* happen, but only through brute force, if you constantly move anyone who spots discrepancies or logical gaps, and if we keep forcing denial.
There are going to be five, ten, maybe even a hundred more posts that won't go along those lines simply because the data doesn't go along those lines.

When that happens, it's just not reasonable to try and force a specific opinion by misinterpreting data and then punishing the people who try to correct the mistakes (which is basically the whole point of this discussion on the PŽK forum—commenting on moderation so the thread can actually be better).
I don't see how that serves anyone's interest (in fact, it's harmful), nor how it could ever be considered right.

Also, generally speaking, the better we prepare ourselves for the whole situation and the more seriously we take things, the easier it'll be for you.
So far, we've handled things okay, and in the US, we have certain circumstances working in our favor, though I guess we've also had a bit of luck on our side.

Globally, you just can't count on any of that, and I think what wanderingcanyon61 is saying is totally reasonable—you have to prepare for the (possible!) risks that come with the unknown.
And it's super important to try and mitigate those risks ahead of time and lighten their impact whenever possible.

That's really the best thing you can do.

-Steve
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
Oh, by the way, this is basically the site I always pull from whenever I'm digging into some data analysis—
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I mean, I usually find myself paying way more attention to what's happening in the rest of the world rather than just focusing on China. I guess that's just how I look at things.

-briskjackal5
COVID-19 updates and discussion in Health ·
Rachel Allen55 said:Denmark just reported their third positive case this morning. Doctors are calling it a serious situation. Once they tracked his movements, everyone basically lost it. Apparently, he was rubbing elbows with a massive crowd at a conference in Chicago, and it looks like he brought the virus over from Italy.

This virus is going to trigger a whole new recession.

I mean, honestly? It’s looking pretty likely. I guess you could say it's almost a given!

Looking at the big picture... I mean, if you really sit down and think about the long game, things might just work out! I guess what I'm trying to say is that when you zoom out, everything starts to look a little different. Maybe we shouldn't sweat the small stuff too much right now? It’s all about that long-term perspective, I suppose!So, I guess the real question we have to face is how we’re actually going to adapt to him—and I don't just mean personally, but like, how we'll have to adapt on a massive, global scale as a whole species. It's a huge thought, right? Maybe we'll find a way, but wow, it's definitely something we're all going to have to figure out together!
If this thing keeps spreading like some kind of super-sneaky seasonal flu, I mean, it’s honestly pretty likely we won't ever actually get rid of it. Like, it might just become one of those things that stays around forever, you know? It could totally settle in and just become a regular part of our lives, popping up every single year like clockwork. I guess it's possible it'll just be our new normal!
So, I was thinking... if this thing stays just as tough to deal with as the flu—you know, like, if we see even more people ending up in the ER or facing much scarier health scares—then we really, really have to be ready. I mean, we definitely need to make sure our hospitals and medical staff are prepared for that kind of surge. It’s a big "if," I guess, but we can't just ignore it!

I mean, if you ask me, we’re looking at this on a medium to long-term basis. It's probably going to take some time to really play out, I guess!
Well, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what else rolls our way during this stretch! Who knows, right? Maybe some crazy surprises are coming, maybe not... we'll just have to hang tight and find out!

New diseases? Honestly, they’re just part of life sometimes. They pop up out of nowhere, and I guess we just have to figure out how to roll with the punches and adapt as we go. It feels like it's mathematically inevitable that something like this will happen eventually... you know? Like, it's almost certain that sooner or later, something new is going to surface.

Well, I mean, you also have to consider looking at things from a short-to-medium-term perspective, I guess! It’s definitely worth keeping an eye on that middle ground too.

There’s just one thing we really need to be ready for—and honestly, we have to be willing to actually step up and take action. I guess it comes down to that, you know? Being prepared isn't enough if we aren't willing to pull the trigger when it matters! Before... I mean, honestly? Let a crisis happen! I really think that if things go sideways, it’s actually a sign we did everything right. It’s just better to take those big, necessary steps now—even if they feel risky—to head off a disaster before it even starts. I guess it's way more effective to be proactive like that, rather than waiting until everything has already fallen apart and then desperately trying to play catch-up when everyone is at their weakest. It might feel intense, but maybe that's just how you know you're doing the right thing!

I mean, sure, it’s totally possible that we could just sit on our hands—or maybe not do nearly enough—and everything still turns out perfectly fine. But honestly? That feels like a massive gamble where the odds are all messed up. It’s such an asymmetrical risk, you know? Like, if it works, great, but if it doesn't... well, I guess we're just playing with fire.

At the end of the day, I guess every single nation can see exactly what happens when things just spiral completely out of control. It's pretty wild, honestly!

So, I was just reading that some folks over in Italy, South Korea, and a few other places have actually decided to shut down schools for a couple of weeks! It's all part of this massive push to try and get ahead of the virus and stop it from spreading everywhere. I guess they're really hoping this little break might help slow things down, maybe? It's pretty wild how everyone is reacting differently, but it seems like a huge move to just halt everything for a bit!
I was just scrolling through some news about how we’re all supposed to handle this whole crisis situation, and honestly? It’s a lot. There’s this intense debate going on right now about what it actually takes to survive these kinds of political shifts and economic rollercoasters. I guess you could say everyone is looking for a lifeline, right? Some people are saying we need to brace for impact, while others think if we just stay flexible, we'll be fine. I don't know, maybe there isn't one single way to do it. It feels like every time a major policy changes or some big news breaks, half the country panics and the other half just shrugs. I mean, survival isn't just about having enough groceries in the pantry—though, let's be real, that's pretty important too! It's more about staying mentally sharp and not letting the constant chaos get under your skin. I was reading some thoughts on this earlier, and it really makes you wonder how much control we actually have when things start spiraling at the federal level. It’s kind of wild, isn't it? One minute everything seems stable, and the next, you're wondering if you should start stockpiling canned goods like it's the end of the world. I'm probably being a bit dramatic, but still! It’s a lot to process. Just my two cents, anyway!

So, I was just reading about this and—wow—it looks like the administration under Giuseppe Conte is taking some seriously massive steps to try and get ahead of this coronavirus spread. It’s pretty wild! They officially confirmed on Wednesday that every single school across the country is shutting down until March 15th. And it doesn't stop there, either... they're closing down movie theaters, shutting down all the big theaters, and basically banning any kind of public gatherings nationwide. I guess I saw a report from Reuters where they got a look at the actual decree, and it basically says they have to halt all types of events where people gather in crowds and can't really maintain that safe social distancing—you know, that rule about staying at least six feet apart? Yeah, that's what they're targeting. It's a huge move, maybe even a bit radical, but it seems like they're really trying to go all out to keep everyone safe!

So, I was just reading that the Italian Minister of Sports announced Major League Soccer might have to play out in empty stadiums for a bit. It’s honestly wild, isn't it? I mean, when you're dealing with one of the absolute worst health crises we've seen in recent memory, I guess the US—well, obviously, countries everywhere—are being forced to make some pretty drastic calls. It's just one of those things, maybe it's necessary, but man, it feels heavy.


Honestly, anyone who says "see, I told you we shouldn't have done that" once we actually manage to dodge a crisis... well, they’re just as right as someone who brushes their teeth every single day and then claims "it was pointless" when they don't end up with cavities! It's such a silly way to look at things, I guess. Like, you can't exactly take credit for avoiding something that was bound to happen if you hadn't stepped up, right? Maybe it sounds a bit harsh, but it's true!
I mean, I guess some people might find this totally counterintuitive at first glance, right? But honestly, it’s really not that complicated—kind if you think about it like brushing your teeth or something! You can't just look at the final results we've already seen to get the full picture; you also have to account for the people who... I mean, they just haven't shown up yet! I guess nothing has happened so far... maybe? Just sitting here waiting, I suppose!I mean, honestly, we’re basically just doing everything in our power right now to make sure that—well, you know—that doesn't actually happen! We're really trying to prevent it, I guess.

There’s just one more thing that I think is absolutely crucial to wrap our heads around when we're talking about containment—it's really quite vital, I guess! I mean, honestly, I really think that everything we’re doing right now to stop it from spreading before this summer hits... well, it’s all going to be worth it. We're doing the right thing! I guess if we can just get ahead of it now, we'll be in such a good spot by the time the heat kicks in. It feels like we're making some solid progress, maybe? Fingers crossed!.
All that hard work and being super careful? It’s definitely paying off, I really think so. And honestly, it's pretty easy to see why.

Right now, looking at the short and medium term—I mean, basically from now until the end of summer—we're looking at two possible curves, or what people usually call parabolas, for the number of cases.
One version (if we stick to the stricter measures) hits a peak of maybe, say, 500 cases. The other one (if we go with the looser stuff) could hit 5,000.
Every single isolated case actually helps us push that parabola lower. It really just drags that curve down.
I guess it's because it stops the infection from spreading its full branch and taking up so much space on the curve.
So, with these cases, you either prevent them, you treat them, or you just sort of throw your hands up and let them happen. If we "give up" on prevention, then we better be ready to deal with the second part.
The first option is obviously way better.

Those parabolas show us exactly how much pressure we're going to have to handle.
The total amount of manhours needed (and I don't just mean any random hours, but actual medical staff time) along with all the other resources—you know, everything that goes into saying "hospital bed capacity," like ventilators, available doctors and nurses, food, medical supplies, and all that good stuff—it all follows those case numbers.
And we're lucky right now because we can actually track it, since there might come a point where things get so bad we can't even keep up anymore.

It's kind of a bonus we have this year, I suppose, because the virus is still relatively new, so we can catch a good percentage of carriers. Those measures could give us some really great results this year. Especially while everyone else in the world is more or less keeping pace, and fewer viruses are being brought into the country from our neighbors.
Without those precautions, we probably would've been looking at a hundred cases instead of ten by now.

As for what next year looks like... gosh, I really don't know.

At the same time, we can—and we really should—look at what other countries have gone through to figure out where the bottlenecks happen when an infection starts spreading (masks are such a classic example), and where the potential breaking points are, so we can expand our prep or prevent them now. We need to try and make sure we have everything we need for 5,000 or even 50,000 infections. Because, honestly, it's just so much easier to do that now than it will be when we're dealing with ten or a hundred times more cases.

And after that short and medium-term period is over, then we'll start getting ready for the long haul.

-briskjackal5
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And here’s yet another case—

So, I was just looking at the data from the MOD, and they’re saying the mortality rate for people hospitalized with Corona is around 1.2%. I guess that's what the numbers are showing right now, maybe? It's a pretty specific figure, though!

So, I’m just saying—and maybe I'm wrong, but I really think—that if you look at the total population mortality rate outside of China (which, honestly, feels like a much more realistic way to view things for the rest of the world right now), we're looking at about 1.7%. The math he used to get to his specific number? It’s just... yeah, it's clearly double-counting. It's totally two-faced math. I guess it's just super obvious once you actually sit down and look at it!
I'm just laying all the cards on the table here, you know? I'm pointing these out because of all the different factors involved. I guess there's just so much to consider!
So, I’m actually laying out the specific numbers here to show how we ended up with that 1.7% figure. I guess it's all right there in the data!

Oh, he'll try to slip something else small past me right at the start, too—but honestly? I can handle that easily enough! 😁

Quote: lonebadger6 said:Look, Pod A—the mortality rate is just steadily dropping for pretty much every single disease out there. I mean, it's happening! I know, I know... you probably really don't want to admit that, but it's true!

I’m honestly a little confused here... like, I'm not really sure why you're saying that, or what exactly you think I'm being stubborn about? I guess I'm just wondering what specifically makes you feel like there's something I'm "refusing to accept." Maybe I missed something? I'd love to know what you're actually basing that on!

I mean, look, when it comes to Corona, things are definitely going to take a hit. Honestly, this whole idea that we’re just going to jump from 1.2% up to 7%? It’s just... I don't know, it feels like a total mathematical disaster. Like, seriously, it's borderline criminal how they're throwing those numbers around. It's just wrong.

Whose idea was this anyway? And like, where did you even stumble upon it? Maybe we should just head over there and hash it out in the original thread instead! 😁

I mean, honestly? It’s going to be such a massive headache trying to nail down the actual mortality rate for people hospitalized with Corona now. Everything is getting so much more complicated, and I guess we're really starting to see how much harder it is to get an accurate count when all these different factors start piling up at once. Maybe it'll settle down later, but right now? It feels like a total mess to calculate. Man, this lag is absolutely killing me! I don't know what's going on, but everything is just crawling. It’s so frustrating, I guess! Maybe it's my connection? Or maybe it's just one of those days where technology decides to be difficult. Ugh! I mean, honestly, it’s kind of expected, isn't it? Like, you’d probably see more deaths popping up among those already in the hospital, since those infections have actually already happened... whereas the new cases are just catching up. It’s just how the math works, I guess!

And honestly, it feels like right now, even our local cases are probably getting lumped in under that "hospitalized" category too... even though, I mean, if we're being totally real, it would be pretty tough to say they were actually flu cases. I guess it just works that way now!

I mean, honestly? Trying to make those comparisons regarding mortality rates for people in the hospital... it’s just practically impossible. I guess you could try, but it really doesn't work!

Under Section C—just a quick heads-up, that last bit of data isn't actually "outside of China," it’s more like...Outside of Hubei... maybe? I guess you could say we're looking at everything beyond that area!So, like, what kind of info are you actually looking for here? I mean, if you tell me exactly what you need, I might be able to dig it up! I guess I can try to find it, maybe... just let me know! So, I was just scrolling through Index earlier and saw this piece about the latest numbers on the Corona virus cases, and man, it’s kind of a lot to take in! It looks like things are shifting again, which—let's be honest—is just how it feels lately, right? Like, one minute you think you have a handle on what's happening, and then the next, the data changes everything. It seems like the spread is picking up in certain areas, and honestly, I guess it’s just that unpredictable nature of it all. Maybe we should be looking closer at what the CDC is saying? They’ve been putting out updates constantly, and it feels like every time I refresh my feed, there's some new detail about how the numbers are trending. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it, but it feels like we're in such a weird spot right now. One day it's one thing, the next it's another. It’s definitely a lot to process! Just wanted to share because it caught my eye and felt pretty heavy. Stay safe out there, everyone!
China is such a massive country, you know? I guess even from the very beginning, the mortality rates there weren't anywhere near what they were seeing over in Hubei. It’s just such a huge difference!

Alright, let me just simplify things here—basically, I’ve cut ties with everything coming out of China.

So, if we’re looking at a 1.7% mortality rate for the general population, I just don't see how the death rate for "hospitalized" patients could possibly be as low as 1.2%. It doesn't really add up to me, you know? And honestly, I'm kind of scratching my head over why anyone would even try to use that 1.2% figure as a baseline or a point of reference. It feels a bit off, I guess.

So, what I'm thinking is... mathematically speaking, it basically means one of two things happens. Either a huge chunk of people just pass away right at home, or they actually make it to the hospital, but then the doctors end up being the ones who kill them. I guess that's just how the numbers shake out, maybe? It’s pretty wild when you think about it! 😁
I don't know, I guess none of these solutions really seem that likely to work. Maybe? Just my two cents!

So, I just saw the post right after mine from another author, and they’re actually throwing out some specific percentages regarding those differences in hospitalization rates... which, I guess, really changes how you look at the whole math behind it all!

Yeah, but you really have to look at the infection numbers. According to the CDC, maybe 1 to 2% of people get hospitalized for the flu depending on the season, right? But with Corona, we don't actually know the exact rate yet because, well, this is all brand new to us. We're watching it happen in real time and nobody knows where the ceiling is, but some estimates are sitting around 10 to 15%. So, if those numbers hold, about 85 to 90% of people would pass through Corona without needing a hospital bed, whereas for the flu, it’s more like 98 to 99% of people stay home.

And I guess that’s where the real trouble starts—it's all about system capacity. If this thing acts like the flu and sends more than 10% of patients to the hospital, I mean, honestly, no healthcare system in the country could handle that. Hospitals aren't just sitting there waiting exclusively for flu patients; they're already slammed. Like, even while we're typing here, places like Mayo Clinic are treating kidney patients at full capacity, or the local major medical center is packed with respiratory cases, and so on. There’s just no room left. That’s the real issue behind these statistics and why things feel so frantic. It has to stop; it can't just spread wildly without some kind of control.


It feels a little silly to keep posting if we can't actually have a real conversation, and I guess the whole topic loses its point if it's just being used to push bad statistics.

-Steve