Posts by Nancy Scott5

cosmicridge5 said:It’s no secret that he’s my forbidden love. 🤣

Nobody ever actually said Jenson was just a number two driver. I guess people just like to jump to conclusions.

🤣

Wait, are you actually trying to argue that Jenson Button isn't the number two driver at McLaren?! 🤣 Muahaha 🤣

I really don't feel like going over those McLaren-esque little inside jokes again, nor am I in the mood to deal with that recent schizophrenic screaming: Jenson, we really need to watch the fuel consumption here; it's looking pretty critical. I guess you really have to prioritize saving fuel. 🤣

Nobody ever actually ordered him to let Lewis through. The only thing they didn't allow him to do was get into those stupid, risky, and totally unnecessary scraps with his own teammate. I mean, we've already seen exactly how much of a disaster that looks like over at Red Bull.

So, I guess Lewis is just allowed to dive into those stupid, risky, and totally unnecessary battles with him? 😉 If you didn't happen to have one of the smartest, most level-headed drivers like Jenson Button as a second driver, we probably would've been watching a total McLaren disaster shortly after that mess with Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber. If they had paired him with two Lewis Hamiltons instead of Button, things would've gone south fast. Honestly, I don't know how you can even bring that up without feeling a bit embarrassed. 😁 It was pretty wild seeing how that clash actually went down. I guess you have to wonder what might have happened if Jenson hadn't been playing it safe by managing his fuel, or if he had just decided to hold his racing line instead. 😛 😁

Totally agree.👍

redheron12 said:Come on, cosmicridge5, please don't mess this up.

When was the last time a driver at McLaren was actually ordered to let someone else through?

If I recall correctly—and I try to keep my facts straight—Coulthard was sensible enough to know when to yield without being told.

Kovalainen was painfully slow back then; I doubt anyone even needed to give him orders.

Then there was Alonso, who essentially wrecked the team's chances—yet he was never ordered to move for Lewis, and we lost the title by a single point because of it.

It seems pretty clear to the drivers themselves where things stand—who holds the better position—and they should be able to make those calls on their own.

Take Kimi, for instance—he let Massa through once, but nobody panicked about it, mostly because it's understood that Kimi is intelligent enough to handle things without being micromanaged.

So, just STFU!

The answer is the day before.

Nancy Scott5 said:The race was 🙂, so here’s a little something for all the McLaren fans out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epI6u6uA8hM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Sai_jLQG4
😁

It’s just that we didn't have team radio back then, so we couldn't hear the orders.

cosmicridge5 said:How many posts did you guys manage to pump out while I was busy making my way through the Metro? 🙂 😁

Anyway, I agree that banning team orders is a complete joke. That rule is basically just dead ink on paper at this point. Nobody actually enforces it, nobody can realistically enforce it, nobody actually wants to enforce it, and I doubt anyone here is under any illusions about how that works. 😁 So why the sudden shock today, then? 😁 What have you guys seen lately?

Does it bother anyone else that there was just so much going on? I guess I'm wondering if it felt a bit overwhelming to everyone else too. Obviously.Yeah, I agree. It looks ridiculous, honestly. It’s just embarrassing to watch the drivers being forced to act like idiots for no reason.

Everyone involved—including us—is well aware that team orders and strategic decisions aren't going anywhere. They exist in every single garage on the grid. It's common knowledge that in Formula 1, the team's overall interest takes precedence over any individual driver's ego. Personally, I think that’s actually quite reasonable given the circumstances, and it’s honestly how things have to work if you want to win.

It’s pretty obvious that within McLaren (and even outside of it), Lewis is treated as the clear number one driver. Even though he's technically officially labeled as number two— The current world champion.😲 Even though he definitely still has a shot at the title. 😉 Lewis might have that slight edge in raw pace, but if you ask me, Button makes up for it with other qualities. Honestly, though, if we’re being real about it, the biggest injustice here has to be at McLaren. I guess if anyone deserved to be number two more than anyone else on the grid, it probably wasn't Button.

When you look at the numbers, Massa was clearly outclassed by Alonso. There’s really no debate about who the more complete driver is when you weigh everything up. Honestly, given the massive gap in points between them, I guess Ferrari's move was pretty much the only logical step left. The reasons behind it are obvious and have been discussed to death already.

Someone mentioned that this isn't quite the same situation as when Kimi took his title, arguing that back then it came down to the final race and whether he could clinch it or not. I guess it’s not all that different here, though. Massa doesn't really have a realistic shot at the championship anymore, whereas Fernando still has a path if everything aligns perfectly—assuming he drives flawlessly and gets a decent bit of luck on top of it. From where I'm sitting, Ferrari was facing a real dilemma today: they could either play this hand and stay in the hunt for the title, or just throw in the towel entirely. And apparently, this is all because of some supposed "moral code" regarding avoiding team orders? We all know those exist; honestly, teams don't even try that hard to hide them, let alone anyone else.

In my opinion, the only way Ferrari actually messed this up was by ignoring what everyone else is doing—something we all know for a fact is working. Everyone’s getting to work. He didn't exactly make it "less obvious." I guess it’s a massive blunder once you actually take a closer look. wow. 😁It’s pretty obvious Ferrari knows the Formula 1 fanbase isn't stupid, so there's really no point trying to insult our intelligence by hiding or using some nonsensical camouflage for things everyone already knows are happening. 😁 It's standard practice for basically every team on the grid.

I agree this was laughably transparent, but it just proves how unenforceable this ban is—given how much people use coded language anyway—and how ridiculous it is. They should just scrap it.

Now, if we want to talk about the moral side of things, which seems to be what everyone here loves to lecture one another about, then from a purely ethical standpoint, it makes zero difference whether something "immoral" is done overtly or subtly. 😁

It doesn't make an act any less immoral if, for instance, Kimi wins a title because of the exact same reasons, it just happens that Kimi is everyone's favorite, so we all happily cheer him on. Meanwhile, if Alonso does it, it's suddenly seen as more immoral simply because he's the easiest target for people to hate. 😁

Nah, don't go hating on Kimi. The guy is an absolute legend in this sport.😉🙏

hollowgull5 said:If he was faster during the race
then why didn't he just blast past Massa instead of letting that guy just hold him up...😕

Man, stop whining...😉

Look, it’s the same story every race: you need to be about two seconds faster to make a clean pass. Alonso was only half a second quicker, so the math just doesn't work for a smooth move. He could've gone full kamikaze on his teammate like Hamilton does, but that wasn't happening.🙂

redheron12 said:Yeah, they really ought to move that over to television—maybe even package it as a reality show. 👍

Not really, more like under a landslide.😁

redheron12 said:I mean, hello? In both instances, Kimi Räikkönen just kept losing ground—he was significantly slower than Lewis Hamilton. Even if he had just missed him once, it wouldn't be an issue, but this... he was absolutely disastrous in both races.

Wasn't Felipe Massa actually slower than Fernando Alonso today? I feel like the only reason Alonso ended up four seconds ahead is because Massa was just cruising at a slower pace the whole time. It makes it look like Alonso was faster when he really wasn't.😂

The race was 🙂, so here’s a little something for all the McLaren fans out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epI6u6uA8hM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Sai_jLQG4
😁

Finally figured out why it was pouring rain—it’s because Felipe Massa grabbed 3rd and Jenson Button managed to stay ahead of Lewis Hamilton.👍😁

briskhound76 said:Honestly, I hate reading quotes on these threads just a few hours after a race. There’s so much nonsense being typed that it makes me 🙂...but after this one, I only scrolled through to see how Sebastian Vettel's shaky fanbase is trying to trash his own teammate just to justify that kid's driving today.😂

I thought you guys just couldn't stand Lewis Hamilton, but turns out you actually can't stand anyone who finishes ahead of Vettel or Fernando Alonso. That's pretty pathetic.👎

And do I even need to point out that Mark Webber showed the kind of backbone the other drivers clearly lack? No wonder his popularity keeps climbing while those two are steadily tanking.😉

You've got it wrong. We just can't stand Kim Kardashian or Mark Webber.😂

Michael Lee4 said:The real issue is that some people are so blinded by their favorite driver that they forget how this works. This is freaking racing. What do you mean "moving out of the way" or "cutting people off"?

So because Fernando Alonso pushed Kim Kardashian onto the grass, he should’ve just rammed him, backed up, and rammed him again until there was nothing left.🙄

cosmicridge5 said:The guy's clearly losing his mind, honestly. 😳

I mean, who wouldn't be after two races like that?
At this rate, I wouldn't even be surprised if he shows up to the next race with a handgun just to take everyone out when they pull another stunt like this.🙂

I don't get why everyone's coming for Vettel. It wasn't even his fault—his tire didn't just blow because he was fighting Mark Webber; Lewis Hamilton clipped his rear wheel and caused the puncture.

http://en.espnf1.com/greatbritain/mo...ory/22943.html

Maria Nelson2 said:Charles 😁

What worries me more is watching a two-time champion struggle to tell the difference between a Safety Car and an ambulance 🤷

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKYyvHvO-jA
You can clearly see him blow past both the Medical car and the SC right there!