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hollowdriver13 said:So, whose engines are the commercial Lockheed Martin and Boeing planes actually running on? Whose avionics? Whose navigation systems? If they're so independent, why was everyone freaking out when people suggested the US might cut off their access to GPS?

To save you the headache of looking it up, the West provides the Thales avionics, plus the GE Aviation and General Electric engines.

Keep going with this whole "self-sufficiency" thing, you're on a roll. 👍


He's certainly making a strong case for himself.

Russia has a long history of building passenger aircraft, but after the collapse of the USSR, they tried to act like a rational player and integrate into the Western world, which resulted in a bit of a mess.
It wasn't until the "civilized West" realized they were facing a dangerous competitor—one that actually knew how to play by their rules, perhaps even better than they did themselves—that things changed.

“The Boeing 737 MAX will fly faster and more economically than its Western competitors, and by using it, airlines could save up to three million Dollars annually,” they claim in Irkut.

https://north America.aljazeera.net/news/e...ingu-i-airbusu

Top 10

https://hr.rbth.com/science/83730-na...lni-zrakoplovi
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analogbear5 said:So, how much did we pull in back in June, and where does the federal budget actually stand? Give me some specifics.

Look, it's already done, so do you really need me to serve it up to you on a silver platter or fine bone china?

I honestly can't tell if people just don't know how to use Google anymore or if they actually need a computer to hold their hand through every little search.

Anyway, I'll leave you to it. Have a good night and sweet dreams—I'm heading off to catch a show on TV.
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George Robinson43 said:urbanotter simply doesn't grasp the concept. It's far too complex for him, which is why he resorts to such hateful replies to your post.
He fails to realize that state revenue comes from oil business royalties, concession fees, and taxes, whereas the actual profit from selling oil and gas belongs to the companies themselves.

But there is a catch in Russia—Putin can dip into ExxonMobil, ExxonMobil, or Chevron whenever he pleases, and if anyone dares to tell him "no," their lifespan will likely be limited to 24–48 hours. This applies not just to these specific firms, but to any company under his thumb.
So, will investors lose money? Absolutely. But who is to blame for investing in Mafia-linked KGB companies that have nothing to do with legitimate market operations?

You should also realize that Russia levies export duties on oil, and since ExxonMobil is a massive state-controlled entity, your whole argument built on ignorance is going to fall apart pretty quickly.
Your entire house of cards, constructed from pure spite and misunderstanding, is about to collapse.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.

http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

And that is just from Chevron alone.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.


http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

Where is the rest of the money coming from?

THE FIVE LARGEST RUSSIAN OIL COMPANIES - OIL - 2022
2022
As the world's third-largest oil producer and second-largest natural gas producer, Russia is home to some of the most massive integrated oil and gas corporations on the planet. In fact, the largest Russian firms by production volume include several names found on the lists of the world's top energy companies.

https://hr.icotokenfund.com/5-bigges...-oil-companies

And this is exactly what hurts your precious little darlings the most.

Major oil giants are bleeding billions after pulling out of Russia


That’s why they’re looking so absolutely shell-shocked right now—it's enough to make anyone's eyes pop out of their head.
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Linda Adams said:And how are we supposed to know they're making 100 million more? Are we just taking the Russians' word for it? 😛 Besides, they aren't even publishing reports anymore. How much did their production drop? What kind of discounts are they offering? Without Western parts, I doubt they can even maintain pre-war production levels. I think you're just a closeted communist, but ExxonMobil, Chevron, and the rest are actually private companies listed on global stock exchanges. Theoretically, high oil and gas prices should benefit them more than Russia (which makes less than $20 per barrel), but that's Russia for you. Banning ExxonMobil dividends and potentially confiscating them 🙂 will send massive shockwaves through business circles, and they'll be begging for foreign investment once the sanctions end and their production looks like Venezuela's.

Your hatred is honestly quite pathetic, and frankly, it shows a massive lack of understanding regarding how this works.

The Wall Street Journal is a serious, reputable news organization, not some trashy tabloid or a random YouTube pundit.

Russia earned $93 billion from fossil fuel exports during the first 100 days of the war in Ukraine. Most of those fossil fuels were sent to the European Union, with average export prices sitting about 60% higher than they were this time last year, according to a new study.


https://www.wsj.com/market/energy/analysis-of-war-impact-4341210

And yet, you all continue to spout nonsense and ignore the facts right in front of you.
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crimsoncyclist71 said:You're lying.

It feels like an insult to everyone else participating here, and I honestly think the moderators should step in, because attacking people personally is a much bigger violation of the rules than anything else

So, you can just consider yourself on my ignore list from here on out, since I have no interest in engaging with this kind of debate or this specific way of talking.🕺🕺🕺🕺
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hollowdriver13 said:It looks like you completely ignored my point, even though I posted before George Robinson43 did. So, I'll ask again: if you’re truly neutral, against the war, and not rooting for Russia (which is what you claim in your posts), what would urbanotter do instead of sanctions? What kind of leverage would you use to force Russia to stop the war and pull back? Give me some direct suggestions so we can actually have a discussion and see if they’d be more effective than what we're doing now.


The issue here is really about the sanctions on Russia, rather than urbanotter's specific approach or actions.

Regarding those "leverages" mentioned,
I personally believe in listening to the advice people have been giving us for years, sitting down at the table, and reaching an agreement so that a conflict never even starts in the first place.
Every single war eventually concludes through negotiations at a conference table, not through endless battlefield combat or economic sanctions, so I don't see why this one should follow any different path.

Because despite ten or twenty different rounds of sanctions, there remains a very real possibility that Russia won't just capitulate, and that Zelenskyy won't set terms he's willing to discuss
unless he is explicitly ordered to do otherwise by someone else.
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feralhawk45 said:I’ve been reading urbanotter, and I honestly can't wrap my head around his logic. I can't pin down his stances, his biases, or even where he actually stands on anything...
Maybe he's just a troll.

He really is that unpredictable,

especially when the mob starts shouting "hang them all" while urbanotter argues we should at least hold a trial to determine individual guilt before jumping to executions.

I feel like I’ve made my position clear several times now; my view aligns perfectly with what Pope Francis has said in full, rather than the butchered versions you see played out in the media.

Anyway, I'm done talking about him because the real issue here is the sanctions on Russia.
If you actually have something meaningful to contribute regarding those sanctions—since that is the actual subject at hand—then let's talk. This isn't about urbanotter's personal leanings.
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George Robinson43 said:🤣

You are completely missing the point. I find terms like "war booty" or "looting" absolutely repulsive, yet you seem to champion them. That alone speaks volumes about your lack of character.

To top it all off, you’re comparing the blatant theft by Ural-Asian hordes—who snatch grain, furniture, vehicles, farm equipment, even toilets and radiators—with the seizure of Russian weaponry by Ukraine.
Not only are you morally bankrupt, but it's clear you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed either.

Maybe you should step back into reality and stop acting like a moral authority; remember that during our own American Civil War, we relied heavily on the weapons and equipment we reclaimed from the US Army.

Anyway, is there any news regarding the sanctions?
I ask you a simple question, and all you give me are these condescending moral lectures.

From what I can see, the only people truly feeling the sting of these sanctions are the folks in our Congressional halls and our highly efficient Cabinet.

They slap sanctions on Russia, and suddenly gas hits $5 a gallon, bread jumps to $6.75, flour goes up to $8, milk reaches $3.25 per gallon... it's a never-ending list of "successful" measures.

When our own citizens are struggling this much, I can only imagine how much the Russians are hurting.

The sanctions have been designed so brilliantly and meticulously that our esteemed Congressional leaders and our capable Cabinet haven't felt even a single ripple of discomfort.

In the government cafeteria, the soup, the schnitzel with sides, and the dessert $8.75 remain exactly the same as they were before the sanctions ever kicked in.

P.S.
I'm just not sure if that $8.75 includes a coffee from $1.00 or if that's an extra charge.🙏

That is what I call successful sanctions—not when you sanction Russia and they end up making more money than ever before.
They say they've made up to 100 billion dollars more than they did before the sanctions were even implemented.🙏
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George Robinson43 said:Just look at this guy.
Spoils of war... 🙏 🙏

If these bots were sent over to Ukraine, they wouldn't come home empty-handed; they'd return with 20 washing machines, 10 tons of grain, 6 AC units, 4 radiators, 2 cars, and 3 combines each!

If he weren't such an off-topic nut, he’d probably give you a full rundown of everything that ended up on the American market during the Gulf War.

I remember hearing people brag about how Ukrainians managed to seize howitzers and tanks from the Russians and then used them to strike back.

Honestly, one single howitzer like that is worth more than two massive shipments of wheat.

That didn't seem to bother you much back when things were happening in the Middle East, nor did it seem to catch your eye.

Maybe it’s because they were just handing the ammunition right back to them.😁

Anyway, moving on.

Let us know if there's any news regarding the new round of sanctions; I heard they had another meeting today.
Hopefully, they actually came up with something useful instead of just sitting around sipping champagne.
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George Robinson43 said:Everything is perfectly fine.
It is high time the younger generations experienced that same "comfort" we enjoyed back in the 80s.
A little bit of this, a few vouchers, then total darkness without electricity, followed by hyperinflation, and currency devaluations every six months...
Pure bliss! You've spent countless times on various forums claiming life has never been better than it was back then.
I don't understand the sudden fear or whining, especially since we know exactly how to handle rising fuel prices. Back in the day, the Federal Executive Council and our friend Hershey solved those kinds of problems without breaking a sweat.

This thread is specifically about "sanctions on Russia."

As for whatever else is bothering you, we've already covered that extensively in the discussion regarding America, so feel free to head back over there.

Personally, those sanctions actually inspired a bit of poetic nostalgia in me, reminiscent of Shakespeare.

Oh, the beautiful, dear, and sweet sanctions,
a gift in which all the blessings God bestowed upon us lie,
the true cause of all our glory,
the sole adornment of this Forest,
all the silver, all the gold, and all human lives
could never equal the payment for your pure beauty!🙏🙏
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swiftjackal11 said:You two ever heard that old expression "stolen and cursed"?

I've certainly heard it, though the real challenge is proving that anything was actually stolen in the first place—not to mention there is always war booty involved that no victor ever leaves behind.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of sanctions...

If Mark Twain were still around today, I think he’d tweak his old observations slightly to fit this era, and it would probably sound something like this:

"The time for sanctions arrives when the wise fall silent, seven samurai start shouting, and India and China strike it rich."🙏
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rowdyraven112 said:Interesting. Turkey blocked a Russian ship carrying grain because it’s hauling exactly 7 tons of Ukrainian wheat ☕
I was looking at our farmers' yields... we're talking 5-6 tons per acre minimum. So, the Turks probably stopped that ship on orders from the West just over one single acre of Ukrainian grain (or so the Ukrainians claim). ☕

We can worry about whether people will starve in the areas where that grain was headed later. Besides, people in Africa and the Middle East aren't exactly top of mind right now—they're basically branded as terrorists from birth anyway, so Biden supporters don't care. Nobody's going to scream if they die. ☕

Looking at the photo of the ship, its capacity looks to be around 6,000 to 7,000 tons.

Now, it really depends on whether the vessel is completely full or just partially loaded, but even if it is at max capacity, that amount is just a drop in the bucket compared to the 20 million tons reportedly still sitting in those Ukrainian silos.
Let the Turkish authorities handle their business; in the grand scheme of things, this is a pretty marginal incident.
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mellowsurfer14 said:Are you seriously talking about this crisis?

http://www.history.alberta.ca/energy...d-1978-79.aspx

The price of oil in North America quadrupled within Months , service stations ran out of fuel and Long lines of gasoline-starved Drivers were Common sites across The continent.

It seems the impact wasn't selective based on how organized a country was; it hit everyone in order. In Germany, they had weekend driving bans, while here we dealt with odd-even days... and so on.

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Give me a break, seriously,
because there are people trying to convince us that America had some kind of exclusive immunity back then, even though there weren't any sanctions.

Now that we actually have these sanctions in place, and with people thinking everything can be solved overnight through various schemes or just by scrolling through TikTok, it’s almost laughable.

Forget those old queues or the minor shortages and those socialist-era quirks;
we are supposed to live in a "free market" now, where there is a free flow of goods, people, and capital, all under supposedly equal market conditions.
I don't quite 🤔 see how sanctions and asset freezes are meant to fit into those very principles.🤔🤷🙂
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swiftjackal11 said:All because the Ukrainians refused to bow down to Vladimir Putin.
Vladimir Putin just got lucky—something you haven't experienced. You'd probably hand him your car, your house, or your wife just to keep gas prices low.$3.25

Please spare me the adolescent, pathetic attempts at wisdom and the cheap ad hominem attacks.

If you actually have something intelligent to contribute regarding the sanctions on Russia, I'm all ears, but if not, then just move on.🕺
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cave troll said:Don't hold your breath, old man.
If we start implementing odd-even driving days and gas vouchers plus electricity subsidies, everything will be just wonderful.
Just like how you've been telling us for years how "wonderful" things were back in your home country.

It seems pretty likely.

But there is a silver lining here,😁
we won't have to deal with the hypocrisy of being forced into actions due to sanctions,
sanctions that used to target just one specific nation but now seem aimed at a massive number of countries and billions of people worldwide.😉

That really brings up a whole series of questions.

I mean, what have we actually been doing for the last 40 years? What was the point of all those sacrifices made in the hope of a better life, if everything ends up exactly the same—or perhaps even worse?🤔
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Nancy Gomez26 said:Sanctions and this entire situation impact production, profit margins, and food prices in two ways. One side is positive for us producers, as sanctions and war drive up market prices—benefiting the warring sides that act as grain exporters. The other side is negative, because the war partially drives up production inputs (though even this spike in grain prices and input costs began long before the February 2022 conflict). Which force prevails, I cannot say, but I suspect finished product prices will outpace input costs. Right now, things are relatively balanced. The biggest headache could occur if, for example, we run out of gas in the fall and can't dry the corn. Even then, there's a relatively simple alternative. Or if fuel runs out and autumn soil prep becomes impossible. These factors—fuel prices, food prices, gold prices—are deeply interconnected. When a barrel of oil is $30, a bushel of corn is $3; when a barrel hits $120, a bushel of corn hits $12. Input costs move in tandem. Since production operates on a relatively long cycle, you might plant using "old" prices and harvest at "new" ones, but by the next season, you'll be buying your supplies at the "new" prices. As I mentioned, prices were already climbing well before the conflict and the sanctions against Russia, so that certainly isn't the sole driver of inflation. But there is no doubt this situation fuels the rise.
As long as we live in an open market, it doesn't matter if America or the EU is self-sufficient—production always flows toward whoever is currently the best provider. In a closed market, that logic might hold weight, but then different market laws take over. If you have enough money, you won't go hungry. It has always been that way, and it will remain so.
Methods like no-till farming, green fertilizers, and integrating livestock with crop production have been known for quite some time; they're simply more refined now, and the benefits to agriculture are better understood. Industrial tillage is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum. And of course, it is incomplete—heavily reliant on synthetic inputs. But it is a comfortable way to work; you get all your solutions ready-made, either from a bag or a bottle. You just apply it. And the people providing those bags and bottles charge accordingly. People complain about the cost, but they've been conditioned to it, quickly reaching a state where they have no idea how to escape the cycle. They become dependent on high yields because only such massive yields can justify the convenience of having someone else "think" for you—and charge you well for it. The more of these turnkey technological solutions you use, the more you invest, and the more you depend on a yield that must cover all those expenses. If I were to write out everything you might find in a purchased bag—all of it carrying legitimate certificates—hardly anyone would believe me. My own "homegrown" stock (specifically my soy) is always superior to what you buy. Not because I am smarter than the sellers, but because I pay attention to when the soy intended for seed is harvested. I pay attention because I know I will be replanting and harvesting that same soy again; it pays to be careful. They don't have to care; they're just moving volume. Of course, for that "homegrown" approach to work properly, it requires its own refinement. But that is a different conversation entirely. The main thing to understand is that these systems exist; it isn't some great mystery, even...Certain people are working on this here in America too —though it feels like progress is moving at a snail's pace. Anyone actually involved in the field, or even just curious, could easily find something online to get their bearings. If you keep a small backyard garden, try growing some tomatoes or peppers under a layer of mulch—just use some straw or grass clippings—and you’ll see the difference for yourself. This concept is essentially the same thing, just applied on an industrial scale. But that’s beside the point.
I have no clue what the current status is at the BASF plant in Indianapolis. All I know is they were looking for an owner, there was plenty of resistance, and things got complicated. From what I gather, they’ve slashed their workforce down to about a quarter of what it was before the war. Apparently, the union is quite powerful there and they have their own "unique" set of demands.
Since we operate in an open market—both for our finished goods and our inputs—what happens at that specific plant matters less than it used to. Personally, I prefer their fertilizers because they're locally produced, but quality and price are the ultimate deciders when making a purchase. If they meet those standards, I'll choose domestic production every single time. If they can't provide it, someone else will. You just need to have the capital.

You wrote an entire "book" here, when you really could have summed all of that up in just a few sentences.

For any operation to turn a profit, the output must always exceed the input, which is the ultimate goal of manufacturing and most other human endeavors.

I'm asking you what the plan is for this year's fall planting, and you're presenting a "silver bullet" solution based on an experiment that is barely out of its infancy. It's honestly a bit ridiculous.
I could list dozens of similar experiments that have yielded pretty modest results—things like no-till farming, shallow plowing, organic agriculture, or even just reviving traditional small-scale farms where you grow everything from chickens and cows to wheat and lettuce in a home garden.
But those are just experiments, my friend; they aren't a scalable solution for feeding a global population that grows by a billion people every few years.
That doesn't answer the core question of whether the United States will remain self-sufficient in food production, nor does it address what the final cost to the consumer will be, since the consumer is the end goal of all these economic activities.

On the flip side of these "idealistic wishes," you have the rapid expansion of GMO crops across massive agricultural landscapes in places like India, Brazil, and Argentina, and look at how Bill Gates has become one of the largest landowners in America through his land acquisitions.
Global giants like Cargill, Monsanto, and Nestlé use every lever at their disposal to push for GMO production and the necessary pesticide use.
While there is resistance to GMO foods, they have already permeated the markets of the European Union, and as far as I know, many European universities have test plots and members who actively advocate for GMO production.

So, your response feels like a bit of a deflection and a distraction; it fails to address how sanctions against Russia will impact the fall planting season and the overall food self-sufficiency of the West.

Since you're avoiding a direct answer, let me lay it out plainly: I'll show you how the sanctions imposed on Russia will lead to soaring energy costs, gas, diesel, and fertilizer prices, and how that ripples back into food production and Western independence.

There will be massive negative consequences, if not outright catastrophes, regardless of the heavy subsidies being handed to farmers to try and keep food affordable for the general public.
I don't have a crystal ball, but from what I can see, the sanctions in this sector will trigger a massive counter-effect. Many lower-income citizens in wealthy nations will face the threat of poverty and hunger.
Meanwhile, in much of the developing world, those who were already struggling will face literal starvation. Especially children.
So much for these "brilliant sanctions" intended to "neutralize Russia" and stop it from "threatening the free world."

Based on your reply, it sounds like there is no fertilizer coming out of that plant in Houston, and nobody knows if or when it will ever be available again.

I'll leave you with two links that illustrate what is likely to happen. While the first link might not be a certainty, what it describes is almost certainly going to play out.

All of this has unfolded incredibly quickly, happening over just a matter of days

And then there is this specific scenario being mapped out by the analysts over at JPMorgan Chase, should we see a situation where the empire decides to strike back
https://seebiz.eu/energetika/jpmorga...e-nafte/278171
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swiftjackal11 said:Sanctions cut both ways. It's just that one side is the aggressor and the other is the collateral damage. Since we're at war with Putin, we better hope he doesn't start aiming at us too.

I've tried to look at this without getting caught up in any ideology, and honestly, it barely has much of an impact on fuel prices.

Thanks for clarifying that we're actually at war with "Putler"—if he's even the same person I think he is, since it feels like everyone changes their names and titles so often these days.

Man, I must have been completely misinformed if I spent all this time thinking Russia was just fighting in Ukraine.

If we're officially in a state of war then, does that mean we should expect a general mobilization soon?

But let's get back to the topic of sanctions, because I really have no interest in debating ideological mantras or tired political clichés anymore.
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Nancy Gomez26 said:For the Ukrainians, the best course of action is to settle every tab. If they don't pay up now, those "tails" might end up being far more expensive down the road. At the end of the day, these are quite favorable arrangements from a purely economic standpoint; they essentially pay just enough so that no one can claim anything was handed over as a gift—especially when you consider how most nations squander their budgets. This is money well spent. As I have noted before: a clean slate ensures a lasting bond.

My colleague Nancy Gomez26,
I am still sitting here waiting for an answer regarding how the current shortages, the skyrocketing cost of synthetic fertilizer, and the subsidized diesel—all triggered by the heavy sanctions placed on Russia—
will impact our own fall planting season here in the States, and whether Europe will ever truly achieve food self-sufficiency again.

I would also appreciate it if you could clarify which specific new scientific methods you are referring to, who exactly is conducting this research, and when farmers across Europe can actually expect to access them so they can operate with little to no reliance on synthetic fertilizers and diesel.
Who are these scientists? Because, frankly, everything these seven EU anti-samurai types have "invented" so far has just been turned into more sanctions, which has mostly just backfired.

Additionally, if you happen to have any intel on when the fertilizer factory in Indianapolis will resume operations,
since they reportedly halted production because natural gas became too expensive, I'd love to know what the approximate price per unit of fertilizer will be once they finally get back online.

And I’d ask that we move away from the "crushing boots" metaphors regarding who is being stepped on and by whom; we went quite extensively into that debate during our discussion about America. If you want to revisit that, let's take it over there. For now, let's stay focused right here on the sanctions and their actual fallout—looking specifically at the economies and food production of both those who imposed them and those who are feeling the brunt of them.🙂🙂
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MechaLiver said:The topic here is "sanctions on Russia," not some "conversation with Kocer."

Either start your own thread or just jump into the ones already running; there’s no reason to hijack this specific discussion.

I'm actually in favor of the sanctions myself,
which is why I asked my colleague such a practical question: what are we going to use for fertilizer, what equipment will we be running, and what is all that going to cost us in the long run?

Instead, I just got this vague, non-committal answer about how there's some "new science" involved and how we still don't know everything about the earth itself.

I suppose we should probably just stop planting and harvesting altogether while "science" waits to uncover every secret of the soil and finds a way for wheat to grow without us strictly following sanction protocols by refusing to buy a single cubic meter of gas from Russia.

Maybe that’s exactly why the fertilizer plant over in a place like St. Louis shut down its production lines;

they're probably just waiting for "science" to reveal all the mysteries of the earth and figure out how to make wheat thrive without using fertilizer derived from Russian gas or running tractors on Russian diesel.🙏
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Linda Collins3 said:Give me a break. They keep preaching about how Ukraine is fighting this war for them and instead of them—which is literally true—and now they want to charge them for the very weapons being used to effectively fight for US geopolitical interests too... Americans are using this conflict to reshape the global landscape, or does anyone honestly believe they're just helping Ukraine out of pure humanitarian concern?

I'm not saying Ukraine shouldn't get help—they definitely should—but we need to be realistic. Charging Ukrainians for weapons in this specific context would be pretty pathetic.

Of course, it doesn't matter if Ukrainians end up paying off the cost of this aid for the next 20 or 30 years; what matters is that they are killing Russians and Russians are killing them.

The priority is that the weapons are being utilized, regardless of whether the Ukrainians pay for them or receive them as "aid."
Since there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone eventually picks up the tab, even if it ends up being the American taxpayer.

It would actually be fair if they covered it themselves, considering they are far wealthier than the Ukrainians who are currently fighting to serve the interests of an elite class.

It doesn't matter what breed of horse you're riding, whether it's a thoroughbred or a workhorse,
what matters is that the dust is kicking up behind it.

In the end, whether people believe it or not, I truly feel for those Ukrainians and the Russians too—not just because lives are being lost, but because they seem so incredibly naive.

You fight, you give your life for someone else's agenda, and then you get stuck with the bill; I suppose that's just how it goes.🙏🙏