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Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Austin Vaughn3 said:If the administration isn't competent enough to grasp that electives are actually elective—and should be scheduled outside of core hours—then sure, they can go ahead and organize childcare for students who are stuck under their supervision during the school day.

From what I understand, they don't actually handle the scheduling themselves.
But honestly, it wouldn't hurt to ask the school secretary to keep an eye on the kids while they aren't in religion class. 😬

It also wouldn't be a bad idea if the principal stepped up once in a while, too. Maybe they’d try harder to overlook those religious agreements or at least follow the guidelines set by the Department of Education. 😍
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
rustydrifter10 said:Quincy:
I honestly don't even know where to begin with this one, but I just had to jump in and share my thoughts because it’s been weighing on me all day. There's just something about the way things are unfolding right now that feels so heavy, you know? It’s like we're all just watching this slow-motion train wreck happen in real time, and I can't help but feel a bit overwhelmed by the sheer scale of it all. I was sitting here thinking about what everyone else has been saying—and I mean really listening to the points being made—and it strikes me how much we all want the same thing: some kind of clarity or sense of fairness, even if it feels totally out of reach at the moment. It’s exhausting, isn't it? Just trying to make sense of the chaos while everyone is shouting over each other. I'm curious to see how this plays out, though, because even when things feel hopeless, there's always that tiny flicker of interest in seeing if anyone actually steps up to fix the mess. kaže:
Wait, hold on a second—which kids are we actually talking about here, and what's the deal with them being left without support? I feel like there’s a huge part of the story missing if we don't dive into the "why" behind it all. Is this about the systemic gaps in our foster care system, or are we looking at specific neighborhoods where the local services just aren't stepping up? I'd love to get some more context so we can really dig into the root causes here.
I honestly can't think of a single good way to name them.

Quincy:
I honestly can’t get over how much people are still debating this! It feels like we’ve been circling the same drain for weeks, doesn't it? I was just reading what Nicole James had to say about the whole situation, and while I see where she's coming from, I can't help but feel like we're missing the forest for the trees here. It's one of those things that seems so black and white on the surface, but once you start digging into the actual implications—especially with how the Supreme Court might look at it down the road—everything gets incredibly messy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I totally hear rustydrifter10 on this one too; there’s definitely some merit to that perspective, even if it feels a little bit extreme to me. But man, when you really sit back and think about the ripple effects across the country, it’s pretty wild. It’s not just a local issue anymore; it’s something that’s going to shape the conversation for a long time. I'm curious to see if anyone else feels that same sense of hesitation, or if I'm just overthinking the entire thing! kaže:
So, just to clear things up for everyone: teachers in grades 1 through 4 are required to stay right there with their students during that period. Meanwhile, the librarian is busy working with the older kids in the upper grades, but keep in mind that the library itself stays open for everyone all the time!
That just isn't true, and honestly, I can't say I'm surprised. At my kids' elementary school, the library was basically a ghost town since it was closed most of the time anyway, but even when it was open, there wasn't a single desk or chair in the entire place where a kid could actually sit down to read.

Quincy:
I really think we need to talk about Tanita. I’ve been sitting here thinking about it all morning, and honestly, there’s just something about her that stays with you. It’s hard to put into words exactly why she hits so different, but when you listen to those melodies, it feels like she’s telling a story that belongs to everyone, even if it’s deeply personal. There’s this warmth in her voice—it’s like a conversation over coffee on a rainy afternoon in Seattle—that just pulls you right in. It’s not just music; it’s an atmosphere. I find myself looping her tracks just to catch that specific mood again. What do you guys think? Does anyone else get that same feeling, or am I just getting overly sentimental today? kaže:
If we’re actually reaching the point where we have to go out and specifically motivate a fifth or eighth grader just to get them interested in religious studies, then you really have to ask yourself: is the issue actually within the curriculum itself? It makes me wonder if the way we're teaching faith is fundamentally disconnected from how kids actually see the world today.
I totally agree. It isn’t just about what happens in religion class; the real issue runs much deeper. We’re looking at systemic failures within our churches, our public school systems, and even the government itself. All of these institutions have collectively allowed us to reach a point where we have children sitting around with absolutely nothing to do, just waiting for the clock to run out while everyone else is busy with their elective courses. It shouldn't be our responsibility to scramble for ways to keep them engaged and occupied just because the system failed to provide a cohesive curriculum for everyone.

Quincy:
I really wish someone would explain what tanita means in this context! I feel like I'm missing out on some major inside joke here. kaže:
Honestly, I think we both know deep down that nobody actually bothered to ask us for our input on this. It’s just one of those things where the politicians shake hands, sign all the paperwork, and hammer out their own little deals behind closed doors without a second thought for what the rest of us think.
Wait, why on earth are you sticking up for them and their decision?
And why didn't you actually give me an answer on where your numbers come from? I mean, seriously—why should a minority have to shoulder all the negative consequences just because of what the majority wants?

Quincy:
I honestly can't stop thinking about that whole situation we were discussing earlier, and I feel like there's so much more to unpack if we really want to get to the heart of it. It’s one of those things where you think you have a handle on the facts, but then you dig just an inch deeper and realize the implications are way broader than anyone initially suspected! I was actually chatting with Nicole James about this the other day, and even she was saying how much the landscape seems to be shifting under our feet lately. It’s wild, isn't it? You expect things to stay steady, but then a decision comes down from the Supreme Court and suddenly everything you thought you knew about the rules of the game is completely upended. It makes you wonder what the next move will be, because once that domino falls, there's no going back. I'm curious to see if anyone else is feeling that same sense of uncertainty, or if I'm just overanalyzing the whole thing—though, let's be honest, a little overanalysis never hurt anyone when the stakes are this high! kaže:
Honestly, none of these elective subjects have anything worth actually digging into during a mid-term. Not one of them. Everything else is just a bunch of obvious perks—it’s like when some guy walks around with diplomatic immunity and gets all these special rights that regular citizens just don't have. It's the exact same deal with religious education here; it gets these specific privileges that no other elective subject receives. And frankly, it’s just not right.
And honestly, I just don't get why some people find it so incredibly difficult to just admit when they're wrong.
I couldn't agree more—sign me up.

The librarian usually puts in about seven hours a day. In terms of student numbers, we typically see around three to four classes per grade level, though some schools tend to run a bit larger with five or six.
If you look at the math, it just doesn't add up. Even if a librarian actually wanted to engage with those kids who believe in all that pseudoscience, they wouldn't have the time. They aren't on the same shift as them every single day, so there's just no way to make it happen.
He’s got quite a bit on his plate beyond that. On top of everything else, he'll need to run workshops, handle book tours, bring kids along to signings, and organize meet-and-greets with authors. It's definitely going to keep him busy!
It’s the exact same story when you look at the rest of the professional consultants and specialists on the team.
It feels like parents today expect school psychologists and counselors to be little miracle workers. They aren't just looking for help with school bullying or social issues; they’re also expecting these professionals to step in and somehow fix kids who don't follow traditional religious or moral teachings. It’s a lot to ask one person to handle.
When is all of that actually happening?

It feels like our professional staff is being asked to step in and babysit kids just because their parents don't want to send them to religious education classes. It’s a bit much, isn't it?
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:Quincy:
I mean, honestly, what even is this? Just "rhino"? Is that it? Are we really just going to drop a single word like that and expect me to do all the heavy lifting? It’s almost impressive how little effort went into this, isn't it? Like, did you just wake up, look at a rhinoceros, and decide that was the absolute pinnacle of discourse for today? I'm sitting here waiting for some kind of point, some kind of vibe, or even just a coherent thought, but instead, I get... this. What are we even doing here? kaže:
I wouldn't exactly say we have much of a choice in the matter, you know? Like, if religion class is just one period, sure, I can just let her sleep in at home. No biggie. But if it’s a three-period block? There's no way on earth I'm picking her up from school mid-morning, driving her out to grab some ice cream, and then somehow racing back to get her settled in time for fourth period. It's just not happening.

I’ve already mentioned this before, but I was talking to some parents whose kids are heading to the same school mine is, and they were actually pushing to swap out religion class for an extra foreign language elective. It didn't fly with the administration, obviously. Apparently, since it would happen during regular school hours, the district won't allow some outside language academy to just swoop in and run classes on campus like that. Plus, there's the whole equity issue—since it would be an extra fee, wouldn't that basically mean we're creating a divide where kids whose families don't have the extra cash get left behind? It would just be blatant discrimination, right?
Look, I am more than willing to foot the bill for a second foreign language. Honestly, if my kid has to be stuck in a classroom anyway, I’d much rather they be learning German, Mandarin, Urdu, or something else entirely—especially since I have zero interest in driving them around to extra classes after the school bell rings. It’s funny, isn't it? It reminds me exactly of those hardcore religious folks who are all about their Sunday school or after-school religious ed. Both groups are super eager for their kids to pick up something new, but suddenly, when it comes to actually making it an official part of the school day instead of an after-school add-on, they get all hesitant. Why does everything have to be an "extra" when it could just be part of the curriculum? 🥳

When it comes to the whole school grind—memorizing stuff, grinding through required reading, tackling math—you’ve got certain teachers who actually step up and make sure that happens. But then you run into this massive headache with after-school programs. I mean, what are those kids even supposed to do there? If the program isn't actually set up to facilitate studying, then what's the point of them sitting there for hours? You end up with this huge question mark hanging over everything: if they aren't being guided to actually learn during those extra hours, what exactly are they meant to be doing with all that time?
So then you’ve got this teacher going above and beyond, right? She’s putting in all this extra effort to engage the kids, maybe running through some intense math puzzles or brain teasers just to keep them sharp, and suddenly the parents of the religious kids start making a huge stink about it. They start complaining that their little ones are being "left behind" academically, and then—get this—they actually have the nerve to demand that she spends the entire class period teaching those same math problems during the hours when religious studies aren't even on the schedule. Like, seriously? Since when did wanting your kid to be good at math become a grievance?

So, let's talk about tolerance for a second, shall we? It’s one of those words that everyone loves to throw around these days like it's some kind of magic spell, but does anyone actually know what it means anymore? Is it just a polite way of saying "I'll put up with you until you annoy me," or is there something deeper to it? I mean, honestly, where do we draw the line before everything just turns into a giant, messy free-for-all? 🥳

Honestly, once you get into the upper grades, it’s like nobody even bothers to watch the kids anymore, and they are just completely left to their own devices. Is anyone actually looking out for them? Because from where I'm sitting, they're basically running wild without a single adult giving a damn.
So, look, librarians around here have tried to get some workshops off the ground, right? We’ve had a few psychologists and social workers drop by to try and run these sessions, but they usually only bother if there’s at least five kids signed up—because let’s be real, if you've got fewer than that, it’s just not worth the effort or the headache. But even when we could actually get a group together, we hit this massive wall. You’d have these religious parents stepping in, totally bugging out because their kids weren't part of these "super cool" activities, and suddenly everyone's making a scene about why their little ones were being left out of the loop. It’s always something, isn't it?

And just like that... tolerance. 🐔🙂
I honestly have no idea how many of these parents aren't even that devout, yet they’re still out here dragging their kids to Sunday school at the local parish just so they can check the box for First Communion in the third grade. Like, if you’re actually that committed to the faith, I guess it makes sense, right? But then again, looking at it from my perspective, I’m just not sure I could pull it all off. Between juggling my actual life and trying to squeeze in religious education sessions in the afternoons, I don't know if I could make the math work without eventually having to sit my kid down and tell them, "Look, you’ve gotta pick a side."

Look, like I’ve already said, I totally get where those parents are coming from—the ones looking at their kid’s watch and seeing a gaping hole in their schedule and wondering, "What on earth is my child actually doing all day?" Honestly, as both a parent and just a person, none of that feels questionable or even worth debating to me. I will always have your back if you're fighting to make sure your kid gets to spend their time actually learning what they’re passionate about. And frankly? I’ll always roll my eyes at the people making a massive drama out of nothing, trying to gatekeep what other kids should be allowed to pursue, whether it's science, a second language, or whatever else. It honestly turns my stomach when I see people who don't even know what they want themselves—let alone what their kids want—yet they feel entitled to swoop in and tell everyone else how they should live or what their children should be doing. It's just exhausting.

That’s exactly why I said it—parents really need to just let their kids be kids and actually let them make their own choices for once. Honestly, this whole headache wouldn't even be an issue if it weren't for the adults in the room. It isn't the kids causing the trouble, and it's definitely not the religious studies classes; the problem lies exclusively with the parents.

Look, if your kid is spending that hour playing in the backyard or snacking on some Takis, I’m really not going to lose any sleep over the fact that my kid wants to do something different—even if they're being "denied" because of religious studies. My child made the choice to take religion; nobody forced them into it, and it’s certainly not their place to strip away someone else's options just to get what they want....

The after-school staff at the local elementary school are literally paid to keep those kids entertained once the homework is out of the way....So when certain idiots start making a scene, let them scream, honestly, because our entire education system tends to go overboard with everything... Back when I was a kid in grade school, we didn't have elective religious studies, sure, but parents didn't get to pick which grade level or even which language we studied... The school just dictated the curriculum and that was that. Nowadays, parents are allowed to choose almost everything, and then certain people think they have the right to demand absolutely anything under the sun... And frankly, we need to put an end to that, not for my sake, but for the sake of all the kids... Because if someone can't wrap their head around the idea that you can't build a whole classroom based solely on my personal preferences, then that classroom simply cannot exist... My kid can't be in two places at once, so a decision has to be made, plain and simple; there isn't a third option. Depriving someone of what they actually want just so my kid can do the exact same thing is pure stupidity, especially when it's happening during the time my kid is busy doing what they actually enjoy...

At our local school, the library is always open and anyone can drop in whenever they feel like it. The older kids are smart enough to decide how they want to spend that hour anyway; the ones who actually care about their GPA will always find something to study, while the ones who don't? Well, their heads are already somewhere else entirely... So I really don't see the issue here... And I honestly can't stand the parents who throw a fit because their kid has a gap in their schedule due to religious studies, yet they don't say a word when their kid skips math class entirely...

There's zero tolerance on either side, obviously, but it's not about you or me—it's about the people who cause a massive drama storm just because the whole world doesn't revolve around their child and everyone isn't constantly catering to their every whim...
Every parent cares about their own child, and there's nothing wrong with that. What *is* wrong is when I try to take something away from your kid just because my kid won't be able to do it, or when you try to do the same to mine just to satisfy your own... So now the question is: are all parents and all kids supposed to regress to the level of toddlers over these tiny little grievances, or are we all going to step up, shut down this behavior, and find a way to accommodate all the kids instead of just our own?

Watching the parents in my daughter's class, it's always the same group making noise—people who don't even know what they want themselves, and their kids don't know either, unlike the parents who actually have a clue and whose kids follow suit.... It's always some ridiculous drama over nonsense, like why my kid wasn't picked for the best costume, why my kid's photo didn't make it onto the bulletin board, why a test shouldn't be canceled just because my kid got an F, or why my kid sits next to certain classmates... It's always the same crowd, the same trivial nonsense, and always the same lies and attempts to manipulate the situation.


If they’re so committed, why wouldn't they take them from first through eighth grade?
Why only in third?
Is it just for the sake of the ceremony?

Think about the parent who is desperate for their child to learn English using top-tier methods—they’ll drive them to a Kumon center on a Friday at 6 PM.
They know the local public school isn't going to teach it effectively (you can see the other threads discussing how foreign languages are handled in our schools)
Or they’ll sign them up for French classes at a local academy because there’s no language program offered in their neighborhood school.

There are church-based religious classes, and there are private language schools.
So why is religious education being pushed into the school curriculum, while things like foreign languages—especially the better methods or preferred languages—aren't available? It’s interesting how motivated parents are to drive their kids to activities right after work and pay for them, yet they won't do that for church.

I personally know parents who pulled their kid out of an after-school coding club simply because it was the seventh period in the afternoon (meaning the child would have had to stay until 4 PM).
But since it was the afternoon shift, having that extra hour or two felt like too much.
Instead, they chose to have the child be educated by a family member.
Just so the kid doesn't have to spend the entire workday stuck at school.
To me, for a true believer, faith is something that can and should be taught by the family. Not by a school. Within the family. Around the dinner table.
If parents are willing to teach their children foreign languages or computer science, why wouldn't they pass on their religious knowledge and beliefs? Why do they need a teacher for that?
Why does it need to be part of a formal curriculum?

Lawrence Torres56 said:Quincy:
I mean, honestly, what even is this? Just "rhino"? Is that it? Are we really just going to drop a single word like that and expect me to do all the heavy lifting? It’s almost impressive how little effort went into this, isn't it? Like, did you just wake up, look at a rhinoceros, and decide that was the absolute pinnacle of discourse for today? I'm sitting here waiting for some kind of point, some kind of vibe, or even just a coherent thought, but instead, I get... this. What are we even doing here? kaže:
I wouldn't exactly say we have much of a choice in the matter, you know? Like, if religion class is just one period, sure, I can just let her sleep in at home. No biggie. But if it’s a three-period block? There's no way on earth I'm picking her up from school mid-morning, driving her out to grab some ice cream, and then somehow racing back to get her settled in time for fourth period. It's just not happening.

I’ve already mentioned this before, but I was talking to some parents whose kids are heading to the same school mine is, and they were actually pushing to swap out religion class for an extra foreign language elective. It didn't fly with the administration, obviously. Apparently, since it would happen during regular school hours, the district won't allow some outside language academy to just swoop in and run classes on campus like that. Plus, there's the whole equity issue—since it would be an extra fee, wouldn't that basically mean we're creating a divide where kids whose families don't have the extra cash get left behind? It would just be blatant discrimination, right?
Look, I am more than willing to foot the bill for a second foreign language. Honestly, if my kid has to be stuck in a classroom anyway, I’d much rather they be learning German, Mandarin, Urdu, or something else entirely—especially since I have zero interest in driving them around to extra classes after the school bell rings. It’s funny, isn't it? It reminds me exactly of those hardcore religious folks who are all about their Sunday school or after-school religious ed. Both groups are super eager for their kids to pick up something new, but suddenly, when it comes to actually making it an official part of the school day instead of an after-school add-on, they get all hesitant. Why does everything have to be an "extra" when it could just be part of the curriculum? 🥳

When it comes to the whole school grind—memorizing stuff, grinding through required reading, tackling math—you’ve got certain teachers who actually step up and make sure that happens. But then you run into this massive headache with after-school programs. I mean, what are those kids even supposed to do there? If the program isn't actually set up to facilitate studying, then what's the point of them sitting there for hours? You end up with this huge question mark hanging over everything: if they aren't being guided to actually learn during those extra hours, what exactly are they meant to be doing with all that time?
So then you’ve got this teacher going above and beyond, right? She’s putting in all this extra effort to engage the kids, maybe running through some intense math puzzles or brain teasers just to keep them sharp, and suddenly the parents of the religious kids start making a huge stink about it. They start complaining that their little ones are being "left behind" academically, and then—get this—they actually have the nerve to demand that she spends the entire class period teaching those same math problems during the hours when religious studies aren't even on the schedule. Like, seriously? Since when did wanting your kid to be good at math become a grievance?

So, let's talk about tolerance for a second, shall we? It’s one of those words that everyone loves to throw around these days like it's some kind of magic spell, but does anyone actually know what it means anymore? Is it just a polite way of saying "I'll put up with you until you annoy me," or is there something deeper to it? I mean, honestly, where do we draw the line before everything just turns into a giant, messy free-for-all? 🥳

Honestly, once you get into the upper grades, it’s like nobody even bothers to watch the kids anymore, and they are just completely left to their own devices. Is anyone actually looking out for them? Because from where I'm sitting, they're basically running wild without a single adult giving a damn.
So, look, librarians around here have tried to get some workshops off the ground, right? We’ve had a few psychologists and social workers drop by to try and run these sessions, but they usually only bother if there’s at least five kids signed up—because let’s be real, if you've got fewer than that, it’s just not worth the effort or the headache. But even when we could actually get a group together, we hit this massive wall. You’d have these religious parents stepping in, totally bugging out because their kids weren't part of these "super cool" activities, and suddenly everyone's making a scene about why their little ones were being left out of the loop. It’s always something, isn't it?

And just like that... tolerance. 🐔🙂
I honestly have no idea how many of these parents aren't even that devout, yet they’re still out here dragging their kids to Sunday school at the local parish just so they can check the box for First Communion in the third grade. Like, if you’re actually that committed to the faith, I guess it makes sense, right? But then again, looking at it from my perspective, I’m just not sure I could pull it all off. Between juggling my actual life and trying to squeeze in religious education sessions in the afternoons, I don't know if I could make the math work without eventually having to sit my kid down and tell them, "Look, you’ve gotta pick a side."

Look, like I’ve already said, I totally get where those parents are coming from—the ones looking at their kid’s watch and seeing a gaping hole in their schedule and wondering, "What on earth is my child actually doing all day?" Honestly, as both a parent and just a person, none of that feels questionable or even worth debating to me. I will always have your back if you're fighting to make sure your kid gets to spend their time actually learning what they’re passionate about. And frankly? I’ll always roll my eyes at the people making a massive drama out of nothing, trying to gatekeep what other kids should be allowed to pursue, whether it's science, a second language, or whatever else. It honestly turns my stomach when I see people who don't even know what they want themselves—let alone what their kids want—yet they feel entitled to swoop in and tell everyone else how they should live or what their children should be doing. It's just exhausting.

That’s exactly why I said it—parents really need to just let their kids be kids and actually let them make their own choices for once. Honestly, this whole headache wouldn't even be an issue if it weren't for the adults in the room. It isn't the kids causing the trouble, and it's definitely not the religious studies classes; the problem lies exclusively with the parents.

Look, if your kid is spending that hour playing in the backyard or snacking on some Takis, I’m really not going to lose any sleep over the fact that my kid wants to do something different—even if they're being "denied" because of religious studies. My child made the choice to take religion; nobody forced them into it, and it’s certainly not their place to strip away someone else's options just to get what they want....

The after-school staff at the local elementary school are literally paid to keep those kids entertained once the homework is out of the way....So when certain idiots start making a scene, let them scream, honestly, because our entire education system tends to go overboard with everything... Back when I was a kid in grade school, we didn't have elective religious studies, sure, but parents didn't get to pick which grade level or even which language we studied... The school just dictated the curriculum and that was that. Nowadays, parents are allowed to choose almost everything, and then certain people think they have the right to demand absolutely anything under the sun... And frankly, we need to put an end to that, not for my sake, but for the sake of all the kids... Because if someone can't wrap their head around the idea that you can't build a whole classroom based solely on my personal preferences, then that classroom simply cannot exist... My kid can't be in two places at once, so a decision has to be made, plain and simple; there isn't a third option. Depriving someone of what they actually want just so my kid can do the exact same thing is pure stupidity, especially when it's happening during the time my kid is busy doing what they actually enjoy...

At our local school, the library is always open and anyone can drop in whenever they feel like it. The older kids are smart enough to decide how they want to spend that hour anyway; the ones who actually care about their GPA will always find something to study, while the ones who don't? Well, their heads are already somewhere else entirely... So I really don't see the issue here... And I honestly can't stand the parents who throw a fit because their kid has a gap in their schedule due to religious studies, yet they don't say a word when their kid skips math class entirely...

There's zero tolerance on either side, obviously, but it's not about you or me—it's about the people who cause a massive drama storm just because the whole world doesn't revolve around their child and everyone isn't constantly catering to their every whim...
Every parent cares about their own child, and there's nothing wrong with that. What *is* wrong is when I try to take something away from your kid just because my kid won't be able to do it, or when you try to do the same to mine just to satisfy your own... So now the question is: are all parents and all kids supposed to regress to the level of toddlers over these tiny little grievances, or are we all going to step up, shut down this behavior, and find a way to accommodate all the kids instead of just our own?

Watching the parents in my daughter's class, it's always the same group making noise—people who don't even know what they want themselves, and their kids don't know either, unlike the parents who actually have a clue and whose kids follow suit.... It's always some ridiculous drama over nonsense, like why my kid wasn't picked for the best costume, why my kid's photo didn't make it onto the bulletin board, why a test shouldn't be canceled just because my kid got an F, or why my kid sits next to certain classmates... It's always the same crowd, the same trivial nonsense, and always the same lies and attempts to manipulate the situation.

In my opinion, a child—especially a first grader—shouldn't be making decisions that adults are ultimately responsible for.
I agree that the real issue lies with parents enrolling their children in religious classes, particularly when those aren't choices the child made. Then, depending on how that third period goes, the CHILD ends up deciding whether they want to stick with religious studies or not.
And that shouldn't happen.
It’s just like how a child shouldn't feel pressured to quit religious studies just because eight of their classmates get to sleep in two days a week because they don't have that class, or because those eight kids are spending their time with a really cool librarian or counselor and realize they're having more fun than the kids in religious studies.

We shouldn't dump that kind of responsibility on a child—making choices based on religious affiliation.
No matter how you look at it, there is always some level of "pressure" to conform to the majority, especially when you're young and just want to fit in with your peer group.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:Are you actually raising your kid to just swallow everything anyone tells them and build their entire worldview on it? Or are you teaching them to listen to everything, process it, and then decide for themselves what fits their life and what they can just ignore?

Sorry, but if I'm being totally blunt, it feels pretty pointless to vent about what someone said and how our kids took it, especially when you immediately pivot to talking about diversity... because look, if we're teaching our kids at home that everyone is different and that every single person has inherent value regardless of what they believe in, then that kid isn't going to see "non-believers go to hell" or "pray before eating" as a personal attack; they'll just see it as someone else's way of life...
Which basically means the fault doesn't lie with the people saying those things—they're just living their truth and sharing their faith—it lies with us for being so inconsistent with the values we claim to teach our children.

Religious ed isn't mandatory in American schools; we all have the choice whether to enroll our kids or not, and that's where our diversity is respected. Trying to purge it from the system completely just undermines everything we say about embracing differences, and honestly, that says a lot more about us than it does about the people preaching about hell or pre-meal prayers.😉

@Karen Richardson3, please don't 😉,

I wouldn't say we really have much of a choice, though. If religious ed is just one hour, sure, I can let her sleep in at home. But if it's scheduled for three periods, I can't exactly pick her up from school, take her out for ice cream, and bring her back by the fourth period!

Like I mentioned before, some parents at my daughter's school asked if they could offer an extra foreign language during the time religion classes are held. The request was denied because schools aren't allowed to host outside language programs during regular school hours. Plus, since it would be a paid program, there was a concern about discriminating against families who might not have the extra cash to spare.
Personally, I'd be more than happy to pay for a second language. I’d love for my child to learn German, Chinese, Urdu, or something else while she’s already at school, rather than having to drive her somewhere after school... it's just like the religious families; they'd love for their kids to learn something new too, they just don't want it to be an extra trip after the bell rings.🥳

As for studying, reading assignments, or math... there are teachers who go the extra mile to help with that. But then you run into issues with the after-school programs: the kids don't really have anything academic to work on during supervised study time, so you wonder what they're actually supposed to be doing.
Then you have situations where a teacher puts in extra effort to do fun activities or math puzzles with the non-religious kids, and suddenly the religious parents complain that their children are missing out on learning. They end up demanding that the teacher teach those same lessons to everyone during the time when religion class isn't happening.

So much for tolerance.🥳

In the upper grades, nobody really watches over the kids, and they are pretty much left to their own devices.
Every now and then, librarians will put together a workshop, or a few psychologists or social workers might try to host sessions if there are at least five students (since it's not worth it for fewer). But even then, problems pop up—religious parents sometimes get upset because their kids aren't participating in those "cool" activities.

And so it goes... tolerance.🐔🙂
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Hey ladies... I’d love to dive into this topic, though we're definitely stepping into some unscientific territory here! I’m really just looking for insight into how you all handle these conversations with your kids. For example, if they start asking questions, or if you feel the need to explain why religious education is—or isn't—important to your family. Are you encouraging them to participate in class, or perhaps explaining why they might sit those lessons out?
I'm also curious if you have any specific stories about their experience with priests, teachers, or other instructors at school.
Let's try to keep everything else strictly focused on the parenting side of things rather than getting bogged down in deep political debates or theological deep dives. 😉
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It just occurred to me while I was thinking about school schedules... for those of you who enroll your kids in religious education classes... do you actually frame it as an elective? Like, do you explain to them that alongside their mandatory core subjects, they have the option to take an elective course centered around your faith and values
Do you make sure they understand it’s a choice? That while math is a requirement, this particular subject is something they get to decide on—whether they want to participate or not?
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I truly believe faith should be a choice made from the heart.
If it stops feeling right to me, why shouldn't I have the right to walk away?

Another thing is how much the Church resists that idea.
They really seem to dislike it when people start questioning their beliefs.

But at the end of the day, a child needs to understand what a sacrament actually represents and what they are committing to by taking it.
The fact that most people just see it as an excuse for a day filled with cookies, family gatherings, and gifts says everything you need to know about the state of Catholicism in America.
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Lawrence Torres56 said:.
I mean, look, church religion is all about evaluation, right? Like, if you don't know the specific verses or you skip communion or confirmation, you're basically out in the cold—kind of like how you can't get into certain clubs unless you've got enough social clout for those Sunday services...😉 whereas what they teach in public school is more about the basics of faith mixed with just being a decent human being. In elementary school, nobody is going to fail you just because you haven't memorized a prayer yet, but trust me, you'll get flagged in a heartbeat if you start acting like a jerk or swearing in class.
Quinn:
I've been thinking about this more and more lately, and honestly? Religious ed stays in the school system only because there are parents who choose to send their kids there.
It's not because the system itself is actually good.
I find myself feeling way more frustrated with other parents than I do with the Vatican agreements, the teachers, the school boards, or the government agencies.
In my book, having religion in the school curriculum should be about introducing kids to spiritual concepts and teaching them how to treat the people around them with basic respect... and honestly, I wouldn't even mind if they touched on a bit of different faiths too.
But church-based religion? That's almost exclusively about rote memorization of prayers and songs just to make sure the congregants look "devout" while they're inside the building, without any of it actually carrying over once they walk out the doors.
I signed my little girl up for the school program, even though I'm still undecided about whether she'll attend the church sessions... First Communion and Confirmation aren't really my priority, especially since I've seen how much kids get pressured and bullied through faith in those settings.

Oh, yeah, but usually only leading up to big holidays like Easter or Christmas, or during those kid-focused blessings... Though, let's be real, it's pretty much the same as a regular service, except the priests smile at the kids a little more. Although, in some parishes, they just call the standard Sunday services "children's Mass" when all the kids getting their first communion or confirmation are required to show up just to collect their little trinkets and rewards...😁

So, I think that's perfectly reasonable.
If you don't even understand the core tenets of your own faith, how can you meaningfully participate in the sacraments?
It's just being honest about it.

(Though, I do worry that some people might receive them regardless of their knowledge, simply because the parish wants to keep their numbers up.)😢
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Benjamin Nelson8 said:I would have preferred to go on my own; frankly, I don't believe religious studies belong in the public school system at all.

It breaks my heart that kids feel like they "have" to attend Mass.
The church needs to find a way to actually engage them, because right now, service is just boring for kids. They can't follow what the priest is preaching about, it drags on forever, and they're expected to sit there perfectly still and silent the whole time.
I honestly don't know a single child who attends Mass because they actually want to be there. They either go because their parents drag them along to check a Sunday box, or they're forced to show up just so they can receive their sacraments.

On the other hand, I know some kids who absolutely love it.
They usually end up being altar servers (that's the right term, right?🤔)
standing right next to the priest, helping him out while wearing those special robes.
It makes them feel useful and important.
I also know kids who sing in the choir, and they have a blast.
There is so much more we could do to engage kids in the Church beyond just attending Mass. If people approach it that way, it can be such a great sense of community.

And yeah, those are usually the kids whose families all go to church together.
Most of the time, it's a weekly thing for them, almost like a core family ritual.
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rowdypanther12 said:I agree. Religious education classes should really only be for kids who actually attend church on Sundays—families where faith and religious traditions are a genuine part of their daily lives.

But since that isn't the case, most kids are enrolled by parents who haven't stepped foot in a church since their own baptism or maybe a wedding years ago. Because of that, they just pull the kids out of the program as soon as anyone starts asking them to actually show up for services.

Honestly, I think religion classes should be for whoever truly wants to be there—people who have an actual interest and understand why they're attending.
The mindset of "everyone goes, so everyone has to go" doesn't really align with actual faith or even common sense.
It makes me quite sad to see kids being forced into church. They have to be pressured into it; I've even heard people say things like, "Just do this while you're young so you can get married in a church later" or "Do this now so you don't have to deal with it when you're older."🤦)

Benjamin Nelson8 said:We’ve officially entered the era of First Communion prep in our neighborhood... second graders are already being sent to religious education classes at the church twice a month, plus regular Mass attendance if they want to be eligible for their sacraments in third grade.

I was honestly floored when we received the invitation to the parent meeting regarding First Communion.

And then, get this—the priest actually has the nerve to claim that the religious curriculum taught at school has absolutely nothing to do with the church.

And it really doesn't.
As soon as you introduce grading and testing, it stops being about living a faith or finding joy in spirituality every day.
Once parents realize this, they'll stop enrolling their children in school-based religious programs altogether.

The more I think about it, the more I feel these classes exist simply because parents choose to send their kids there.
It's not because the system is inherently necessary.
I find myself feeling more frustrated with other parents than with any government agreement, teachers, school boards, or agencies.

The more I reflect on this, the less respect I have for parents who outsource such a fundamental thing as spirituality to an institution—especially one that will likely claim it has lost its ability to provide moral guidance at the next opportunity.
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frozenrider15 said:I’m glad the Quote finally landed. And just to be crystal clear—no, I wasn't talking about insurance premiums or those damn billboards. 🤣 I honestly don't get what this rhino is even talking about when he mentions "easing fear." What does that even mean? It's all just empty noise.

There’s absolutely no point in being terrified of what a kid might blurt out, whether they're at school or just lounging in the living room. It’s not about fear; it’s about perspective. You need to approach everything with a healthy dose of detachment rather than taking every word as gospel. Look, kids have massive imaginations—sometimes they misinterpret things entirely—and that’s why other parents can actually find themselves in this sentiment. If the preschool teachers had taken my little one's ramblings at face value, we could have easily ended up in a tense meeting with a guidance counselor or a child psychologist. Fortunately, that wasn't the case. They came to us first. They had enough trust in us to flag the situation before jumping to conclusions, allowing us to clear the air and set the record straight.

Sorry, but your quote doesn't actually say we should talk to kids with a sense of detachment. It says a professional is asking a parent to promise they won't believe every single thing the kid claims happened at school, while the teacher, in return, won't believe everything the kid says happened at home.
And no matter how humorous it sounds to you (even if it was taken out of context), it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways.

Personally, I think it's great that you brought up things like hitting or touching, and all the stuff kids might tell an institution—sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Those are very real fears for parents.

I’m sorry you don't quite see the fears I’m talking about. Most professors I've dealt with (and people here on the forum, too) aren't thrilled about being filmed by a student, or who knows what else might get reported back home... plus, most teachers don't want parents constantly coming to them to vent, plead, or offer unsolicited advice. So, I see part of that "promise" as a way to ensure those types of parents stay away.

Anyway, maybe I wasn't clear enough (though I did mention this in my first reply to your quote), but there's always more than one side to the story. Everyone has their own truth, and it shouldn't be up to parents and teachers to play judge and jury. Our job is to maintain that connection with the child, even when they lie. My experience working with kids has taught me that behind big lies, there is usually a very important need—a need I would never uncover if I immediately confronted the child and shut down communication just because I saw they were lying.
Of course, we will find ourselves in situations where our child tells a lie, an uncomfortable truth, or even a white lie, and we are going to react.
But reacting means feeling something while they tell us the story, which means we’ll inevitably have a reaction in front of the child. We might follow up by questioning the child, their friends, or the teacher...
But we are always going to react.
And we'll likely second-guess ourselves, talk it over with our spouse, check with friends, or post about it here.
It's hard to imagine any parent just waving it off and saying, "Oh, they're lying, let's move on."

Your quote doesn't suggest that we should approach everything our kids say with detachment, regardless of the context.
To me, it feels more like adults trying to form an alliance so our kids can't pull a fast one on us.

I would never enter into that kind of alliance.
That doesn't mean I'll swallow everything my child tells me, nor does it mean I'll react to every little thing they do—especially not with an attack.

But I would never promise anyone that I'd just shrug it off.
And I certainly wouldn't want my child's teacher to be someone who asks me for something like that.
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frozenrider15 said:Hey, you’re entitled to your opinion.
My little one, who’s only five and in preschool, came home claiming they lock us in a room. Honestly? We don't even own a single key in this house—just imagine the absurdity of that scenario. We’ve never even threatened something like that, let alone done it. The teachers told us about the claim, we denied it, but where she got that idea? Who knows. Some cartoon, maybe?

The quote above is actually kind of funny, so why take it so seriously? It’s common sense: you shouldn't just blindly believe every wild story a kid tells you, no matter how outlandish. You have to verify things with the teacher (and check with other kids if there's a conflict) to see how much truth is actually there. I trust my kid, sure, but if they tell me something unbelievable, my first move isn't to go in swinging. I’d head to the school for a talk, calm and ready to figure out what really happened and how to fix it.

If that teacher had just blindly believed my daughter without checking, she could have ended up being reported to Child Protective Services as an abuser.

But why are you looking at this through such a negative lens, focusing only on being confrontational?
If I promise a teacher that I won't believe every single thing my child says, I could also use that as an excuse to ignore it when my child comes home from school saying they need to make a poster tomorrow (and list what supplies to buy), or that they need to bring $3.25 for insurance, or that there's a parent-teacher meeting on Wednesday at 4 PM.
Then, when I tell my kid I don't believe them, I'd just say, "Sorry, honey, I promised your teacher I wouldn't take everything you tell me at face value."

Of course people lie sometimes.
Everyone lies eventually.
Usually, it happens when they think someone won't be able to handle the truth or that the truth will lead to negative consequences.
So, I don't see any point in making promises to a teacher.

And it isn't funny at all.

By the way, every story has two sides—or as many sides as there are people involved and witnessing the event. There is no such thing as absolute truth.
The fact that teachers are afraid of what kids might report and how parents might react is just... well, life.🤷
But I'm not sure that being "funny" about it is going to ease that fear.
Nor does it ease my own fear that my child might say something about our home life at preschool, school, or the doctor's office, leading to an investigation by the authorities.
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frozenrider15 said:Honestly, I thought my boundary was clear: anything threatening my kid's safety gets a reaction. Period. But since the school year just kicked off and we hit a situation where that safety felt compromised right out of the gate, I basically tripped over my own feet. I swallowed my pride and stayed quiet because I didn't want to start a war in the first week of September. Maybe I let an incident slide too easily.
My kid was fine, so I played the "everyone makes mistakes" card to justify the teacher's slip-up. In my own home, I make sure my kids know I’m not perfect either. I teach them that making a mistake isn't the end of the world, but failing to apologize for it is. They see that. It builds trust. They don't use it against me; instead, they learn to own their mess-ups and fix them. It's about accountability, not perfection.

You have to be pragmatic. Realistically pragmatic. Look at the whole picture—view it through the eyes of the parent, the student, and the teacher. Talk to your child, sure, but don't take everything they say as gospel truth without verification. Go straight to the teacher. Ask how they saw things and what they propose to fix it. You can even offer a solution. Cooperation is the goal here. Whatever you do, don't argue with the teacher in front of the kids. Handle it privately. If that fails, go to the guidance counselor. If that hits a wall, then you head to the Principal's office. That’s the chain of command. Follow it.

There’s this blunt little saying teachers love to drop at the end of the first PTA meeting:

"If you promise me you won't believe every single thing your child tells you happened at school, I promise I won't believe every single thing they tell me happened at home." 😉

Honestly, this just feels wrong to me.
I really wouldn't want a teacher with that kind of attitude.
Not for my kids, and certainly not for anyone else's.
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Robert Rodriguez9 said:You might be willing, but not everyone is. Some families just don't have the extra cash. Personally, I'm also worried about how my little one will handle public speaking and juggling multiple languages at once.🤷 Once again, we end up with kids being left behind.

Look, I’m looking at this from the perspective of the parents at the school where they tried to organize this. When everyone is willing to chip in, the whole thing hinges on
a) the Department of Education or some agency making decisions that feel like discrimination against kids in religious studies classes
b) the parents of those same kids

In my book, that wouldn't fly
even though I actually found that math session quite helpful, 🙏 🙏 🙏

And here's the kicker: the non-religious kids end up being the minority mostly because so many parents just sign them up for religious ed out of habit. They just don't want their child to feel left out or stuck sitting in the hallway while everyone else is in class.
As soon as better extracurricular options come along—where parents realize their kid isn't just being supervised, but actually getting something valuable out of it—they jump ship immediately.

For me, that first hour works perfectly. It aligns well with her biological clock and my work schedule; having those two hours in the morning to catch up on sleep would be a total lifesaver.
But then you see someone like Miss Daisy, who is totally lost on what to do with her child in the morning. I think there are plenty of parents like that who would actually benefit from early morning childcare sessions, rather than leaving their kids to fend for themselves (where they don't even have a teacher available to watch them).
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Robert Rodriguez9 said:And how exactly would you solve it? Based on the enrollment numbers, it seems like whenever non-religious kids do something constructive during those hours, other parents complain their kids are being left out. On the flip side, why should parents be forced to pay extra for outside activities—like language classes or whatever else—during that time?

Personally, I’d actually be willing to pay for an extra activity during religious studies hour.
I mean, if it's a language class, I think it makes way more sense for a kid to learn a language at 10:00 AM rather than 6:00 PM. That way, school time stays school time, and family time stays family time.

To be honest, I haven't really seen much empathy from parents of religious students toward parents of non-religious students when everyone is buzzing through the hallways, so I don't quite get why I should have to feel bad that their child won't be learning French, Chinese, or Arabic, and will instead be studying >.
Sometimes in life, you just have to set priorities.
And if they chose religious studies, then that was their choice.
You can't have everything, right?

I know we're definitely footing the bill; my husband and I contribute quite a bit to both public education and the church. But honestly, it feels cheaper to just pay for my daughter to take a language class than to try and renegotiate a > treaty!
It's something I'd end up paying for anyway, though I'd also be sacrificing my own free time.

If the Church truly believes that the family unit is the most important thing and that parents should spend as much time as possible with their children, then I hope they'll consider my point of view. It's the same way I respect the decision of religious parents who choose not to send their kids to church services outside of school hours, preferring to spend that time with them at home.
Otherwise, I really don't see the logic in opposing having religious studies held in a different shift or at the church itself. 😕
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Karen Richardson3 said:Look, I’m seriously not trying to make fun of anyone here, and I definitely don't mean to come off as some kind of comedian—though, okay, maybe just a tiny bit, if I'm being totally honest with myself. 😁 ).

Look, I’m just gonna be blunt. Is that really such a big deal? Honestly, I don't have the energy to sugarcoat everything or dress up my sentences just to make them taste better for a bunch of puritans. We're talking about basic physiological needs here, plain and simple.

So, we’re looking at this intense situation where a sixteen-year-old kid gets hit with a massive erection right in the middle of class just because there's a girl sitting directly in front of him—I mean, honestly, can any of the guys out there chime in and tell me if that was a regular occurrence for them back in the day? 😳He’s basically sitting there being lectured that he isn't allowed to touch himself or even go on a date until he finally ties the knot.

It’s like he’s standing at a massive crossroads right now; he can either actually pay attention to what his teacher is laying down and potentially turn into some kind of visionary leader, or he could just lose his mind and start looking for someone to pick a fight with.
I’d honestly love to hear from some guys out there who could just step up and be real about this—like, tell me that you didn't touch yourself or hook up with anyone at all until you actually got married, and that everything felt totally normal and okay with that.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to how they actually control things—basically, the moment girls hit puberty in those traditional societies you see all over the world.

When it comes to the younger grades, they really shouldn't be making such a big deal out of everything, especially at the end of the day. I mean, if I have to drop my first grader off at school right at 7:30 AM because I need to get to work on time, suddenly it’s treated like some huge crisis. It feels just as ridiculous when religion class is scheduled as the very first period of the morning; it's like they're trying to make life difficult for parents who are actually just trying to balance a career and a family.

Quincey:
When you're running a massive corporate machine like a Fortune 500 company, it’s easy to see how people can start feeling like just another cog in the gears. Directors are tasked with steering these giant, complex systems, but once that scale hits a certain level, the individuals working within them often end up feeling pretty lost in the shuffle.
haha 😁

It feels like most people have totally lost the plot lately, honestly. You see so many parents signing their kids up for religious education classes when they aren't even believers themselves—it’s purely a formality at this point. It’s like they’re just checking a box because they’re terrified that if they don't, the neighbors will look at them sideways or judge them for not being "true Americans." Or, you know, that classic excuse where they say, "Why make things complicated for the kid? Everyone else is doing it anyway." It’s just this massive wave of conformity where nobody wants to stand out, even if it means teaching something they don't actually believe in.

It’s honestly just like how things used to be with political parties; there isn't really any meaningful difference here.

Exactly.
Churches are everywhere, and they're constantly being built.
Wouldn't it be much nicer for believers to gather there instead?
Why don't religious parents just send their kids to the facilities being built for the glory of Bog?
Is it really that much of a struggle for religious children to make the trip to church twice a week?
What kind of believers are we talking about if they actually need state-funded infrastructure just to learn about their own faith?

I’d also love to see the Church start opening its own schools. That way, people who live out their faith and want their kids to have that same foundation at school could just send them there without disrupting the secular framework of the society we all share.

I mean, Bog knows the Church has the money, the staff, and the resources to make it happen, right?

http://www.newsweek.com/US-education-updates

What about the kids who stay in after-school programs?
(Personally, I don't mind if they're outside for a bit while they wait; honestly, it beats sitting through a lesson during third period.)

If you meant having it at the end of the after-school program, maybe around 5:30 PM, then I am totally on board with that idea!🙂
That’s actually what I’m going to suggest.☕

My first goal is to try reaching out to the Department of Education to see if we can get paid second language instruction approved as part of the regular curriculum.
I’m ready to take the lead on this, and frankly, I’d be willing to pay for it myself. It just seems logical—if there's funding available for religious studies, there should definitely be funding for academic knowledge too.😬
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You know, something I find really fascinating lately: there’s this huge wave of parents who are more than ready to revolt against teachers and professors. They constantly complain about how educators have lost their way when it comes to teaching kids right from wrong, arguing that schools have completely abandoned their role in shaping character.
Yet, these exact same parents—when it comes to religious education, which I personally view as a deeply intimate and vital matter—will just hand that responsibility over to the school system.
I honestly don't get it, and I’m dying to understand the mindset. Why are parents okay with their kids taking religion classes at school? Because, let's be real, if you're a practicing believer, you should be able to share those values with your child at home. If you can't find even thirty minutes a day to do that, then frankly, you probably shouldn't be worrying about either the kid or the faith.

@majamama, I suspect you're actually in the vast majority here—that as a person of faith, you'd prefer not to have religious instruction happening in the classroom.
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rowdypanther12 said:I’d love to see them offer an extra foreign language during religious studies 😁 or maybe astronomy. Or even a photography workshop, or calligraphy.
Or even something like step aerobics.
Honestly, just anything at all. 😁

You're dreaming big here,🤣
you realize that would be considered discrimination against the kids in religion class? They'd feel left behind because they aren't getting that extra knowledge.😳

Recently, some parents from the school my oldest will likely attend were telling me that there's a decent number of non-religious kids there—including those who enroll and then immediately pull them out (usually once they realize they get a longer break during that period🤣).

Anyway, there was this veteran teacher who didn't want to just sit there staring at the ceiling with ten kids while the rest were in religion class, so she started working with them on math (basically extra practice on things they weren't quite grasping yet).
The kids in the religion class actually complained! They felt those kids were getting special treatment and that the teacher was giving them too much extra instruction, while they had to pay for private tutors or study extra on their own just to keep up with basic math.
Then, the teacher tried doing these logic puzzles and brain teasers, and once again, the other group complained—but strangely, they never asked for their own kids to get those lessons too (though it never occurred to them to just unenroll them from religion class first).
Of course, the teacher wasn't teaching anything outside her scheduled hours or beyond what she was being paid for, so the religious students went to their class and the others just collectively stared at the ceiling.

Apparently, there was even an attempt to organize a paid foreign language program during the religion block. I personally would have been more than happy to pay for it—it would solve the "empty hour" problem for me without me having to drive them anywhere else. But the Department of Education won't allow it; they say language schools can't run courses during regular school hours because it would discriminate against the other students (though religion class probably doesn't count as discrimination in their eyes😬).
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Michelle Nelson4 said:Honestly, if our schools just grouped everyone who isn't taking religious studies into one single block, they wouldn't have to stress about scheduling those first or last periods at all. It would make life so much easier for the students if the subject wasn't even part of the main timetable. Of course, the trade-off is that teachers would end up with two fewer hours of instruction per week.

It’s pretty obvious where the school decided to put its priorities...

It’s not just about the school setting priorities, though I definitely see your point.
The foreign language situation is also a factor, since not every school offers just English in the first grade.
Then you have the issue of friends from preschool staying together in full groups,
plus picking out a specific teacher,
and deciding whether or not they'll join after-school programs.

Technically, they could arrange it so religion classes happen on Monday and Wednesday during the first period for Classes A and B, and then on Tuesday and Thursday for Classes C and D. They absolutely have the power to do that.
They just choose not to.
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John said:🤔 Is that really the issue here? I mean, how many extra classes could they realistically take on if they weren't acting as homeroom teachers?

Personally, I think it’s a total non-starter if they serve as homeroom teachers.
It’s especially tricky because there’s always this constant push to have them handle parts of the civics curriculum too.

On top of that, if they are the ones in charge of the homeroom, then all the students should technically be placed in that specific class.
But that leads to more questions—once a student transfers in, based on their language background or just the size of the class, they might only fit into one group, yet the homeroom teacher ends up being a religion instructor.