Tyler Scott3 said:Cardboard post.
Once that post goes up, here’s what happens next.
rowdyhawk10 can't see the connection between the question and the answer. He’s basically calling FMN crazy. I looked up that verse myself, and at first glance, I didn't see the link either—so I get why rowdyhawk10 is skeptical. It actually made me wonder if something happened to FMN, like he was just throwing verses around on Reddit for no reason. But knowing how FMN operates, he's not usually like that. I decided to dig into the verse, and I eventually found the connection. Then, Asad stepped in and confirmed it. Here. If you take the very last sentence of that verse, you could basically craft an entire legal framework out of it that bans marrying a Muslim.
Even though you were looking for an explicit claim from the Quran stating that marrying a non-Muslim results in leaving the faith, FMN offers a slightly milder version of that argument. We could debate that all day—and we have—but the real issue here is how rowdyhawk10 dismissed a perfectly logical post as being off-topic or just trolling.
You also need to consider how you reacted to his response. It was in a deleted post where you just replied, "totally irrelevant." That proves you didn't grasp the verse. If you actually understood it, you would have realized that specific verse is about a prohibition, not about being cast out of the faith. Honestly, your reaction was so irrational that it made Shady doubt the FMN response. You basically led him astray, which is exactly why I had to give you a warning. I really hope you finally get what I'm saying here.
Now that we've found the connection, here's what comes next...
I’m looking for rowdyhawk10 to just own up to his mistake regarding that controversial post. Everyone messes up sometimes—even rowdyhawk10 admits that himself quite often—but he’s refusing to budge, insisting there wasn't an error. Honestly, it makes me question if he’s actually competent enough to handle such a heavy responsibility like moderating. Especially when it comes to the Islam 114 thread, which requires a pretty high level of expertise.
I found another flaw in his logic—that melancholy little comment where he claims to know plenty of happy marriages. It’s just off. Honestly, it led me to demand that he be stripped of his right to reply on the Islam 114 thread, especially since the responses there are being provided by the Hanafi school.
Rowdyhawk10 still refuses to take any responsibility. Instead of owning up to anything, he’s started his own little crusade against the people on the Islam Forum, banning nine users in the process. It’s the same old story. Same mindset, same attitude, just like always.
That’s what pushed me to speak up here. I wanted to complain about his tyranny, using Nicole James's misconduct as the excuse. It turned out almost the entire admin team was siding with both Nicole James and rowdyhawk10, which forced my hand to reach out to the owner. When he didn't respond either, and a bunch of other users backed my decision to stop posting, I felt like I had to grab onto whatever was left—which was just Nicole James's response. Otherwise, the site would have lost a lot of great contributors who actually wanted to stay. I decided to end my boycott. If people want to keep posting, go ahead. I'm done being forced to carry the weight of some self-appointed leader when that's not my job.
Anyway, I'm just wrapping up my boycott. As for whether I'll keep posting or how I'll handle it, I honestly have no clue.
So, this is where we landed. We're basically cleaning up after moderators who can't face their own mistakes or find the guts to admit when they've messed up.
But it’s not like that—it doesn't mean someone is kicked out of the faith—and I was actually just searching through everything to find exactly where it says that. That specific Quranic Verse isn't talking about being expelled from the religion. It's like how drinking alcohol is forbidden; sure, if you drink it, you're committing a sin, but you haven't left the faith unless you actually start claiming that sin is permissible. Even the official stance from the Islamic Community here in the States—which I quoted earlier—makes it clear that one isn't cast out of the religion.
Exactly—your reaction to sensitive Shady was what triggered that doubt regarding the FMN response, which basically means you led him astray in a way, and that’s why I had to give you a warning. Honestly, I just hope you finally grasp the point I'm trying to make here.
Just give yourself a break—seriously, go easy on yourself. It’s honestly wild how you just pin everything on someone else; I guess that’s always the easiest way out.
Here’s how things went down:
You’ve been constantly accusing me, claiming that FMN got banned because of me—which just isn't true.
You accused me of derailing the conversation, which is just flat-out wrong—if anything, you’re the one who took us off track here. We ended up talking about interfaith marriages only because you were the one who challenged me back on that Islam 114 thread, basically daring me to prove how good I was at debating.
It’s way too easy to downplay how serious a commandment actually is—you can basically take a major sin and spin it until it looks like nothing more than a minor religious oversight.After that, I mentioned to you that Koby had started a new thread about interfaith marriages, so maybe you could give that a shot.
Since you basically folded in your very first post when you realized there was no way to actually prove your point, you just pivoted the whole conversation toward weighing sins—and then you went ahead and started equating a woman marrying outside the faith with a murderer or someone committing shirk.
You accused me of being the one who derailed the thread—seriously? Just take a second to look at my posts, then look at yours, and actually compare them. Don't go pinning someone else's garbage on me just because they're the ones leaving it all over the place.
So, this guy boldgull19 is chiming in with this whole argument—claiming that a woman married to a non-Muslim is somehow worse than a murderer. He’s actually going as far as to say she’s spiritually murdering her own children... as if you can’t lead a spiritually vibrant life unless you happen to be Muslim. It’s wild, really. And the kicker? He doesn't seem to notice his own spiritual emptiness while he's busy judging everyone else—all while claiming to be a devout Muslim himself.
After I’ve spent God knows how many times asking for actual proof—you know, just a shred of logic—this person tries to cover up their total lack of an argument by throwing personal insults my way. They actually called me a half-believer just because I refuse to go around kicking people out of the faith. It's honestly exhausting when people resort to that instead of actually addressing the point.
I’m just going to skip over all the chauvinistic comments for now. Besides, he’s insulting both me and Bradley Davis33—even though she didn't even address him directly.
And you actually sided with him after he got banned for those kinds of insults and trolling—both in the thread itself and in his formal appeal. Yet, here you are, filing an appeal because you think insults toward other users should be allowed. Honestly, I have to hand it to you... that is some world-class hypocrisy right there.
After the Sunnah community chimed in—totally shocked by what they found written there—she responded in pure disbelief, pointing out that she’s actually married to a Catholic. And honestly? Not a single soul had the decency to apologize for misidentifying her as a killer. Instead, people were busy telling her she’d committed a sin even worse than physical murder—claiming she’s spiritually killing her children and living in sin, and just going on and on like that. Not a single apology. None.
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It’s better to tear down a church than to break someone’s heart "Here is how she operates:
among other things, she says
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes (once the consequences finally catch up to you)
After this lady got banned—and we're talking about comments that even Yazid would have been jealous of—you suddenly start feeling bad for her because she was kicked off the platform? So now you're sympathizing with her just because of the ban? Why the sudden change of heart?
You guys accused me before God—you mocked me, saying how God would humiliate me even further (as if I wasn't already humiliated enough by you all, and acting like you won't even talk to me anymore just so you don't have to deal with more humiliation) —and you called me a hypocrite, a half-believer (which, since you can't really be a "half-believer," basically means you were calling me an infidel). All of this just because I refused to label anyone else as an unbeliever! Look, Islam isn't your private property to gatekeep, and you certainly don't have the authority to excommunicate people from the faith—especially not someone who identifies as a Muslim.
The sheer arrogance and condescension you displayed! The insults, the mockery, the way you laughed right in my face! Where do you get the right to cast someone out of the faith? You act so incredibly superior, as if you possess some flawless moral high ground that gives you the permission to point fingers at everyone else's sins and exile them from Islam. Oh, I see—you're all "better" than the rest of us now, aren't you? Entitled to look down on those you deem "worse" and declare them non-believers!
Then, a few days later, over on the Islam 114 thread, you come after me again, calling me a hypocrite and a half-believer. Well, it took me a moment to realize that you were actually using that Quranic Verse to imply I was being a hypocrite—so, thanks for that.
I just want to tell you one thing. I am not what you claim I am. And that poor girl following the Sunnah isn't what you labeled her either. None of the things you said about her or me were actually true.
But you certainly said a lot about yourselves.