Jonathan Hayes76 said:Thanks for the reply.
It might be impossible to draw a direct comparison because no two situations are ever truly identical. I'll just add that those guys in Belgrade have a massive headache with UEFA, and that’s nothing to take lightly. The club has faced bans from European competitions and heavy fines, mostly because they can't seem to distance themselves from the Delije. There’s definitely an outside influence on the club that stems from all that fighting.
Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but the Red Star crowd has found a way to pull strings both within the government and among the elite power players. Honestly, how naive can you be if you think those fights against guys like Dan Tana or the big corporate tycoons actually change anything? We’re talking about a massive list of billionaires and industry giants here. It’s the same story with the politicians—people like Gašić or Vesić—and then you have these "legends" like Pixy, or the various hacks being plugged into places like Mamić at Dinamo. Do yourself a favor: look into what these people actually did, what they were aiming for, and just how much real power they hold. It's eye-opening.
Just looking back at last season, I remember how many European away games those guys were banned from—even that trip to Paris you mentioned, and we all saw how that turned out. A couple of years ago in Rio, they had warning signs posted all over the city like "wet floor" signs in a restaurant, basically telling people to stay away because of certain groups arriving. It was wild. Honestly, do you think there’s any place where those people show up and the local police don't immediately go into full overdrive? I mean, is it even possible that they aren't getting arrested, fined, or deported more often than the Bad Boys are? I couldn't say for sure, but it feels that way.
Back in the early days, they handed out about 190 bans right off the bat and just kept going. It put them behind schedule, sure, but it was worth it to prove that all the stuff you guys keep complaining about is actually punishable here. You have no idea—at one point, they even tried to ban people from posting flags, handed out penalties for verbal offenses, and even attempted to shut down entire groups through the Supreme Court. There’s plenty more where that came from, and honestly, you could probably dig up a hundred other examples if you really wanted to, though I won't go down that rabbit hole right now.
Look, I think you guys are overreacting when you claim that the Bad Boys are going through hell while everyone else just gets handed milk and cookies. At the last tournament in France, our national team submitted a list containing 324 different names—basically every single person who’s ever been banned. So, this whole argument that 2,000 Bad Boys are facing ten times more issues than anyone else? It doesn't hold water. It isn't just the Bad Boys either; other groups are feeling it, and even the national team is caught up in the mix.
Would it really surprise you if those guys knew thirty years ago that they’d be sitting out two months just because of some flares? It's the same story. One scene over in Canada back then was facing the exact same number of bans as you guys are now. It's a pattern.
I’m not just answering you; I’m answering the crowd that keeps quoting me. Look, let’s be real—there is dirt here. Stuff happens that seems straight out of a movie, where it feels like someone is playing both sides or working behind the scenes with people they shouldn't be. Once you strip away all the online trolling, the constant jabs, and the endless spin, facts remain facts. To those commenters: despite everything you claim is "the truth," when someone actually points out a hard reality without hiding it, you get defensive. You don't like being told the truth because it makes you look hypocritical, so you shut down. It’s pathetic, honestly. We have plenty of issues around here, sure, but there are also strong responses to them. And take the rivalry with the fans from the other side. Yeah, their crowd is pure chaos—they admit that themselves. But can anyone else honestly say their supporters haven't been in literal life-or-death struggles for what they believe is right? Is there anything purer than that? Or are they only labeled as "bigger agents" simply because people talk about them more openly than they talk about you?
Look, you can find that response regarding the collaboration with the president sitting right there in our section. If you really want to dig, just Google the songs written against him and his associates, or even the choreographies that serve as direct rebuttals to his statements. You can also look up who’s currently clashing with his police force—he's backing some totally insane festival over in New York. Plus, check out how much trouble Gospoda Cigan keeps having with that same police department. Honestly, maybe a better question would be: does anyone else have this many run-ins with them?
Maybe you should do some actual digging into when and how they stripped the cameras from the stadium and all that. Honestly, it’s pretty obvious they just forced this on you guys. You were too soft—too polite and peaceful to actually fight back. Everyone’s got a big mouth, but let’s be real: shouting into the void doesn't fix current problems, does it?
I’m done here. This is getting ridiculous. If anyone actually cares, they can go look up the details themselves; if you’re interested, you probably already know the truth. No matter how shocked you act now, these are just the facts.
At some point, I have to wonder if you actually mean this stuff or if you’re just trolling everyone. You're a textbook idiot who discovered the internet and now thinks you're selling myths. Look, props to the fans for other things, but you clearly have zero connection to them. You just come here to vent your childhood frustrations and lecture us with your nonsense. Your "sources" are just random forums and tabloids. You used to claim there was barely any trouble in America, but based on what real people write here, it seems like there's more chaos in your neck of the woods than ours. Your group has so much dirty laundry that if we started talking about it, we'd never finish. And now you're trying to answer me about those songs against the party leaders? It’s embarrassing. Don't you feel ashamed? When elections roll around, people from your stands will be pressured into voting for the establishment again, yet you haven't said a word about that while making cookies for the "Great Leader." Comparing these local thugs to Mamić is a joke. Mamić has been a major player since the 90s. These so-called tycoons you're talking about aren't even in the same league.
Using that photo regarding the NH derby message to pivot the topic to the fans? Are you actually insane? Who even cares about your group? Why waste words on you? This thread has nothing to do with you, yet you seriously try to make it about yourself. You have to be incredibly frustrated and twisted to do that. You’re comparing your little bans over some paper scraps or political issues to someone who was practically declared a terrorist. Your group hasn't even had it worse than others this season. You stubbornly bought your way into bans for your choreographies, and you even got off easier after that incident in Salzburg. After showing those flags and a few other details, they could have shut your whole section down. And then there's all that talk about resisting the police... as if you didn't get tossed around like ragdolls at that music festival. It's easy to act tough behind a crowd of 8,000 people. Then you read some trash article in a tabloid about bans as if every single group has been hit with thirty different ones. Once again, it shows exactly where you get your info and why your takes are garbage. You're a joke. In Saint-Etienne, there were people who had already racked up three bans. Your post makes zero sense. You should thank Valsimot for giving you a platform to work through your complex. You need a ban, honestly; you're just a provocateur. Do us all a favor: delete your profile and stop embarrassing yourself.