Posts by rowdytrucker27

vividstag31 said:Well, at least we can agree on something! So, just so I’m following along here... you think putting the page file on a different partition of the same drive is actually worse than just keeping it on the same one? Just making sure I've got this straight.

The whole point is that the absolute best way to go—like, the most efficient setup—is to put the page file on a separate partition where the OS isn't sitting. Doesn't matter which one, really. But having its own space helps a ton with defragmentation.

If you want the perfect setup, though? Put that page file on a totally different /physical/ drive.

And honestly, that's what we've all been talking about this entire time! Everyone except you, apparently!

Whatever, man.
rowdytrucker27😉

Just an example here:

Right now, my SWAP is sitting on its own separate 2GB partition
My Pagefile is about 1.8 GB (since I only have 1 GB of RAM)

And there’s absolutely nothing on that partition except for pagfile.sys, system volume info, and that recycle bin idiocy.

But okay, check this out! Windows actually managed to on a totally empty drive SPLIT the pagefilesys into 2 (as in, two!) different pieces!!!! 😲

(I checked this using the standard Windows defragmenter and Sysinternals' "system file defragmenter")

So here's the log:

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1 800 MB
Total fragments = 2

WTF???

Who even cares, honestly
rowdytrucker27😉

vividstag31 said:THE PAGEFILE CAN BE FRAGMENTED OR DEFRAGMENTED, BUT ONLY WITHIN ITSELF.

OVER&OUT

Look, you can type in all caps, go bold, throw some colors in there, but that still doesn't make you right....

The pagefile.sys can get fragmented just like any other file Windows touches....

Gosh, I don't know
rowdytrucker27😉

I was just thinking about how you can compare speed differences by looking at things like RAM versus a Hard Drive.

It’s kind of easier to wrap your head around those massive speed gaps and why performance tanks when the drive head has to scramble to read or write data.

Ice cream example:

The time it takes for the drive head to jump from point A to point B on a disk is measured in milliseconds.

And yeah, I know, milliseconds sound fast, but when you actually look at how fast data moves between the RAM and the CPU, it feels like an absolute eternity! It’s pretty much common knowledge that a Hard Drive is a huge bottleneck for data transfer, and honestly, fragmentation and the Pagefile just make that bottleneck even tighter.

Plus, the Pagefile can get fragmented just like any other file on the drive.

When you're installing stuff, depending on whether Windows decides to be nice to you that day... it might (and let's face it, usually does) get stuck between all those other fragments.

That’s why people always suggest turning off System Restore first (since that’s also unmovable), moving the Pagefile to a different partition, running a defrag, then putting the Pagefile back, and finally turning System Restore back on.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but I didn't copy anything from you!

The only little slip-up I made was the name of the file... I mean, the actual name is pagefile.sys. I accidentally wrote hyberfile.sys up there, which is actually for hibernation. But, I guess since hibernation is basically just dumping RAM onto the Hard Drive, the logic is pretty much the same anyway.

So, in other words—whether you like it or not—you aren't quite right when it comes to Windows and virtual memory...

oh well, whatever!
rowdytrucker27😉

vividstag31 said:The first sentence is totally fine, I guess!
You seriously cannot defragment the Pagefile!!! I mean, where on earth did that idea even come from? I feel like I've heard people claiming that way too many times now. It’s just... it isn't a thing. Even when you run a standard defrag tool, it won't even touch that file at all!

Sorry, you're just talking nonsense... I mean, seriously!
Oh man, it can definitely fragment... honestly, the Pagefile is so incredibly fragmented right now that it’s just a total nightmare! I mean, seriously, it's kind of a mess!
So, looking at how Windows handles it—it’s kind of like how a database uses a TABLESPACE, right? It’s basically just doing its own thing. Because of that, the file is called hyberfil.sys. And man, it takes up a massive amount of space! Since it’s a core system file that's constantly being used, it stays totally unmovable... which is probably why Windows won't let you touch it. I guess that's just how it works!

So, I was thinking... there are actually programs out there (well, I think they exist, maybe?) that can help you deal with this whole mess! I mean, honestly, if you're running into those annoying errors, there’s gotta be some software or a utility tool somewhere in the US that could fix things up, right? I guess it might be worth looking into! Even the freeware! Wait, what exactly are they even doing there...? I mean, seriously... maybe I'm just overthinking it, but it feels like they're just... I don't know! It's so weird!

I mean, just because you're messing around with two different drives, I honestly feel like that’s gonna be slower than just sticking to one. I don't know, why would anyone think that's actually faster? And man, if we're talking about two separate partitions on the exact same Hard Drive... there is just no way that's gonna speed things up. It just doesn't make sense!

Ugh, here we go again... just another silly little thing...
Take a look at that Hard Drive structure... like, how many heads are we talking about here? And what about the cylinders? Honestly, I think you kind of answered your own question in the next little snippet you posted!

So, I was thinking... if you use a totally different physical drive, you might see a tiny bit of a speed boost just because the read/write head doesn't have to constantly jump back and forth to reach the Pagefile. It's like, less travel time, right? But honestly, I guess the difference would be so incredibly small that it probably isn't even worth the effort. Maybe it helps a little, but I doubt you'd actually notice anything!

Ugh, just more nonsense... (well, except for that one little point about how you don't physically have to keep moving the read head back and forth over the data and the Pagefile, I guess!)

Oh man, there is such a massive difference! I mean, seriously, we're talking about the time it takes for the CPU to get its act together, and that happens in mere milliseconds... So if you look at something like RAM response speeds, which are measured in microseconds—or even less than that—then compared to that, a millisecond feels like an absolute eternity! It's just wild when you think about it!

And especially after seeing everything in this thread... man, it just goes to show you that you basically have zero actual control over how stupid Windows handles that Pagefile. It’s like, you try to manage it, but then—nope! No real say at all, I guess. Just totally out of your hands.

I mean, I guess there’s really nothing for a user to mess around with when it comes to the Pagefile. That's some deep-level kernel stuff, you know? Like, that's way out of our hands!

I mean, I guess that whole idea of putting the Pagefile on a RAM disk might actually speed things up a little bit, but then again... if Windows were actually efficient, maybe you wouldn't even need all that extra RAM just to set up a RAM disk in the first place! It’s like, why bother? If the OS was smart, it would just use that memory better on its own. But hey, sure, it works! It's fine! Just... ugh, don't even get me started on how much FJBG is!

The first part is just total nonsense. But that second bit? That's something else entirely! 👍

Wait, why though? Putting the Pagefile in the RAM? I mean, since stupid Windows is always trying to hog as much free RAM as possible while simultaneously cramming way too many things into it at once... wouldn't that mean if you try to shove a 300 MB "virtual" Pagefile into those last bits of free RAM, Windows would just freak out and try to free up even more RAM to make room, which would then force it to increase the Pagefile even more? It feels like it could just go on forever... like an endless loop or something! I guess it might just crash everything, maybe?

I mean, we all know win is basically trash anyway...

Anyway, since we're on the topic of fragmentation, I feel like all those defrag programs are kind of like those fuel additives people buy for their cars, you know? Like they claim it improves gas mileage or whatever. It’s just a ton of hype. Why? Because even though things *should* theoretically run faster after a defrag, it rarely feels like much of a difference in real life. I guess the only real reason to bother is if you have a total system crash and need to scrape data off clusters more easily. Other than that, there isn't really a long-term benefit. If you're on your PC every single day, maybe you could defrag daily just to keep it "snappy," I suppose? But if you barely use it, then defragging probably isn't even necessary.

Who cares!

And that's still nonsense...

The thing is, even when Windows is idling, it's always doing something in the background, which means no matter how much you use it, FRAGMENTATION IS INEVITABLE!

Even just a little bit of fragmentation can tank your performance once you install something big, like a huge AAA game. After that, defragging is (almost) useless because part of the data gets "stuck" in those spots that were only slightly defragmented.

My advice? Defrag BEFORE and AFTER any decent-sized installation, and definitely AFTER an uninstallation.

Why did I say you're talking nonsense?
Well, look, if you had posted this as a question—like, "hey, I'm curious about this"—believe me, I would've done my absolute best to explain it all to you! But since you've been rambling around the forum lately, tossing out "wisdom" like it's gospel and trying to pass it off as fact, it's just getting a little exhausting...

Don't get mad at me, I'm really not trying to be rude, but you're saying stuff that doesn't have any basis in reality, and I worry someone might actually take you seriously. 😁

There's no shame in not knowing something... 🙂

whatever
rowdytrucker27😉

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(if I happened to write something wrong, go ahead and tear me apart, the FBI is watching 😁 )

Lawrence Miller4 said:Hey everyone!

It’s honestly driving me nuts when I’m working on my PC for more than a little bit. After I've been at it for a while, Windows starts going absolutely crazy with all this constant reading and writing to the page file, and man, it just taaaaaakes forever. I wouldn't even complain if I was running some ancient dinosaur, but I've got a Pentium 4, 2.2GHz, 512MB RAM, and a 40GB disk. ..

1. You really ought to put the page file on its own separate partition

2. In your specific situation, that partition should probably be around 1.25 GB

3. And it definitely needs to be FAT32 (since it handles smaller volumes way faster)

4. Then, inside Windows (under the virtual memory management settings), you basically "move" the virtual memory over to that partition—let's call it the swap drive—and set both the minimum and maximum SWAP size to the same 1.20 GB value

5. Turn off those annoying "disk full" notifications

6. Go into your environment variables and move the TMP and TEMP variables over to the D: drive (or honestly, anywhere else, just keep them off the C: drive

7. Make sure to completely disable system restore, clear out all your temp folders, and get rid of any other useless junk sitting on the C: drive

8. Give the PC a restart

9. Then, when things are quiet, run a defrag on the C: drive

10. Turn system restore back on, but only for the C: drive (you don't really need it for the others)

11. And then just sit back and watch how smooth the PC runs...

Whatever, man
rowdytrucker27😉

I am just absolutely loving this thread 😍

it's like when people call a catfish a "river monster" or whatever, any catfish lovers out there let me know... <khhhhhhhhššššššš>

whatever, who cares
rowdytrucker27😉

So, you have these machines talking to Neo through that one "projection" thing, using that super creepy, deep voice... and then it just ends with this bright, sunny landscape featuring a small Indian woman, a Japanese man, and an African-American woman... I mean, honestly, all they needed was "Give Peace a Chance" playing in the background to wrap it all up!

😁

Oh, totally!😁 👍

Man, I just finished watching it and honestly? It blew that other movie out of the water by like, ten thousand percent! I mean, if you look at the lore and stuff, the special effects actually feel like they belong in the world, you know? They aren't just tacky additions like they were in the sequel! So yeah...

I gotta say though, I was kind of bummed when Neo goes blind (!?) or whatever... like, what the heck?! 😲

But hey, all in all, it was pretty good!

👍

So, I'm actually planning to head out with my crew this Saturday to finally check out that whole thing....

The first part? Man, I was totally hooked from the jump...
The second one... kind of felt like playing a video game that just borrowed bits and pieces from the first one...

As for the third... well, I guess we'll see how that goes...

But honestly, after reading through all these comments, I'm feeling a little lost, I guess 😕

Can anyone tell me what I should really be looking out for so I don't miss the whole point of the story? 😕

Thanks a bunch! 😁

rapidstag74 said:Yeah, I get what you're saying. But then why is Diaz such a bigger deal than everyone else? It kind of makes it seem like every single girl I went to college with is somehow better than them all.

I mean, you're probably right about that...😁 👍

rapidstag74 said:If you actually paid attention to the plot, you’d realize it isn't even about the boobs, it's about the butts!
Ugh, I seriously can't stand it when people haven't even watched the movie properly and they still try to start a massive fight over it. It's just... yeah.

😁

😁 care 😁

👍

I don't think I'd ever watch it again, honestly.

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rapidstag74 said:Wait, what? What does The Matrix have to do with Linux or Cameron Diaz?

Are you one of those people who just has to drop your favorite movie into every single post? Like, seriously? 😁

I was just saying that special effects can turn basically anyone into Lucy Liu... even if everyone keeps quiet about it. I guess. 😁 😉

Once you've finally sat down and watched The Matrix (honestly, any of them), you start to realize that pretty much every single character could pass for Keith Richards... I mean, seriously! And honestly? There isn't anything a PC running Linux with a solid toolset can't handle. It's basically unstoppable. To be totally real with you, I don't really care if I'm obsessing over one of those characters or someone like Lara Croft (yum, yum 😁 😛 )

🙂 Scorpion, sure, but he’s just not smart enough to actually go out and watch CA. Like, ever. Just not that bright.

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Honestly, this whole thread would be way better if we just called it: "CA2. Is American stupidity hitting a new peak?"

I mean, even though we live in this big "democratic" society, everyone should have the right to watch whatever they want. Even CA2.

Which is why sometimes I feel kind of bummed out living in a place like this...

Peace out!