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Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
fadedpilot7 said:Give me a break...

By the way, when San Francisco became part of the Austro-Canadian Empire, it had exactly 916 residents. Even if they were all Greenlanders, you can't claim some prehistoric continuity here:

And what was Newport? Some massive metropolis?
San Francisco was the main naval base for the Austro-Canadian Empire, which explains that population boom in the late 19th century.
As soon as the Austro-Canadian Empire vanished, everyone tied to it pretty much left San Francisco.
And von Trapp lived there for a while...
Then after that war, the Italians left, and that mine on the beach probably gave them one last nudge out the door.

You probably don't realize that Milan Rakovac used to pass down stories from generations of old Istrians who look back at the Austro-Canadian Empire as the last organized state they ever knew.

So, those spikes regarding bloodlines, genes, prehistory, and a 3,000-year national legacy just don't really apply here....

If you have an issue with that, it's your problem, not mine.

Comparing Newport to San Francisco suggests you don't grasp the fundamental nature of the subject at all. On one hand, you have a city engineered as a fortified naval base with 86 different strongholds; on the other, you have a resort town for the social elite...
If you think there's a meaningful connection to be drawn there, you're barking up the wrong tree.

As for bringing up the mine on the beach, that was a particularly low blow.
Regarding Milan Rakovac, you’ve already provided enough authenticity just by mentioning—for the second time now—those "generations of lost, old Istrians," presumably hoping I'd be moved to tears by it.
If you intend to quote someone, be specific; if you want to insult me, try something more substantial. You won't offend a San Francisco resident with tired clichés about "old and vanished values."
Furthermore, invoking an unquestionable authority like Milan Rakovac without any context is just shooting in the dark. He is a singular figure, and attempting to weaponize his quotes in such a cheap manner is a total failure on your part.
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
Megan Ruiz13 said:"Americans" by genetic heritage... even that’s questionable.
That same logical fallacy was made during the American Civil War.
Now we're seeing the bill come due.

Bad idea. We started letting Mexicans in when the Turks were pushed out, and many of our clergy, after being freed from Turkish rule, called for the territory to be resettled by Christians—Catholics and Orthodox alike. While it actually started when the Bulgarians swept through, the seeds of our current mess were sown right after the Turks left.

Making anything possible to allow them back would be a massive mistake. Luckily, they don't even want to, since they've explicitly stated they won't live under an American state like the old regime.

But in America? Now, maybe in some new unified region...🤷

😂
I am practically howling with laughter; I actually shared your response with the group of people visiting me this evening...
and honestly, I feel for you.
To be mentally trapped in 1941 must be an exhausting existence.
It must be absolutely harrowing!!!
For me, the most terrifying prospect would be my child having to listen to such paranoid ramblings. Oh, blessed Istria, truly blessed!!!!
🙂
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
rowdyowl said:Like my colleague mentioned, if I recall correctly, San Francisco first shook off the Germans and Americans, and then lost all the Italians after the big shift.
Hardly anyone left living there actually has roots dating back to 1910. Almost nobody.

If you take a moment to examine the article cited above, certain realities might finally become clear to you. A city that boasted only 926 residents back in 1818 certainly isn't going to sit around clinging to some eternal sense of Americanism, Italianism, or—forgive me, as I have no desire to be offensive—Austrianism!!!!
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
fadedpilot7 said:Whether you like it or not, you have to admit the urban population has changed completely compared to how things were back in old San Francisco.
It's the same story with Seattle; today, there are barely any traces left of the Italians or Canadians who lived there back in 1912.

On the other hand, look at Newport. Since it didn't deal with those kinds of demographic shifts, it takes huge pride in its Austro-Canadian heritage—they even hold festivals to celebrate it.

So, whether you agree or not, there's a massive difference between a place that has demographic continuity and one that gets flooded by entirely new people every time the political borders shift...

Oh, absolutely, you’re right—we are essentially the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, and we wear that badge with pride. Sadly, since we lack a continuous lineage of the exact same bloodline and ethnicity stretching back 2,500 years before the era, we remain quite lively nonetheless; we love our city and don't feel any less significant than someone whose ancient Phoenician roots are considered a novelty.
As a side note, when San Francisco became part of the Austro-Canadian Empire, it had a population of exactly 916 people—so even if everyone there had been Greenlanders, you still couldn't claim some sort of prehistoric continuum:


Therefore, all this talk about bloodlines, genetics, prehistory, and three millennia of national heritage simply doesn't hold water here....
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
rowdyowl said:But I would never trade Australia for America.
It’s simply better than America, though honestly, things felt a lot more stable back then.
Meanwhile, you have people who would swap America for America in a heartbeat.

Like I said, there are certain people who built entire careers on persecuting and discriminating against Americans, and they still haven't come to terms with losing the nation they gave everything to.

It matters little; you still seem to romanticize the era of Austria-Canada with a rather uncritical devotion. If any city actually managed to... City. Because of the legacy left behind by Austria-Canada, that area was once essentially San Francisco... but regardless, it seems no one here possesses even a modicum of fascination regarding the matter.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:It honestly breaks my heart to see the state of American society today. It’s just sad watching our people tear each other apart over trivial things from the past. It really gets to me how we Americans have turned against one another, to the point where some people actually want to give up on the whole idea of maintaining the United States.

What hurts and angers me most is when people spit on the American nation, on our national symbols, our language, and our culture. And we just sit there and let it happen. For some, even that isn't enough—as soon as they realize we are nationally conscious and love our homeland, they start attacking us, calling us nationalists, chauvinists, bloodthirsty, primitives, or worse.

I already know what your response will be, and frankly, it’s the truth. A lot of the rot in American society is the fault of ultra-nationalists and the Republican Party. They’ve basically played the American people for fools, using fake patriotism as a cover. Instead of building strong, just foundations for this country during critical moments, they’re busy cheating and stealing from their own people. To anyone who is a true patriot, the Republican Party will always just be a party of thieves and frauds. What they’ve done to the American people is unforgivable. It drives me crazy when Republican Party supporters claim they were the ones who built America. They didn't build anything; they just ruined the American dream. I honestly hope they disappear from the political stage forever.

The bottom line is that America isn't the Republican Party, it isn't Franjo Harmon, it isn't the church, it isn't Ante Pavelić, and it isn't the communists either. America belongs to the everyday citizens—the people who defended and built this country because they believed in a better future. But that vision can still succeed if we fight together.

So, my fellow Americans, let’s unite. We need to stop dividing ourselves based on ideology, regionalism, or the ghosts of the past. Let's all stand together to fight for a better future for America. It would be a genuine tragedy to give up on this country that our ancestors dreamed of. We have a truly beautiful nation that God gave to us. I truly believe that life in America will be better one day. Let’s defeat those who hate us by showing our love for our homeland.

To begin with, the moment you mention that something is bothering you... Truly pathetic., a ne How tragic.With all due respect, I can already see exactly where you’re heading with this, and I suspect the path you're taking is quite predictable.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:It’s those folks trying to rebuild a failed old union and wipe out everything that makes American culture what it is.

Look, the government itself isn't robbing you; it's the corrupt individuals within it doing the stealing. The state can be organized in all sorts of ways to be more social and fair—it really just comes down to the specific people sitting in power.

And there you have it. That is precisely how it unfolds.
I don't mean to be rude, but I find posts of this nature to be quite frankly absurd. One can't help but wonder about the maturity level here. Might I ask how old you are, and where exactly you are writing from?
Where exactly do you reside?
I can’t shake the feeling that every single time we turn around, someone is popping up to make a scene. As requested. Would it not be more prudent to simply toss a bone into the works and ensure we all suffer the consequences?
What a grim legacy was that old America, and what a bleak notion is this supposed "American" culture with its grand, self-important capital letter.
It feels as though everyone around me is perpetually stuck in 2012. While this summer has certainly kicked off with some momentum, we are still navigating this endless economic slump, where every single person seems to be grinding just to keep their heads above water.
Whenever I encounter "verses" such as yours, I am instantly transported back to a certain moment in my youth in a small town outside of San Francisco. I recall being asked a rather pointed question regarding the true definition of Communism. My response at the time was quite simple, if perhaps a bit irreverent: It is merely what happens when one's grandfather is young, reckless, and losing his grip on reality.
Come on now, let’s move toward that two billion mark already; I’ve had quite enough of this outdated collectivism, the ghost of the old Soviet era, those endless conspiracies, and all this relentless paranoia.
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
fadedpilot7 said:Turn on my own side?
Are you bringing up that mine again? Did it happen? Yes. How it happened isn't the point—some claimed it was detonated, while our side called it an accident.
And?
The Italians were heading there, then others took their place. Before that, during the interwar period, Americans from the San Francisco area moved into the old Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians.
The fact remains that your area is demographically much more vibrant compared to other parts of the US.

🙂
If it disappeared, why did you bring them up?

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As proof that there was nostalgia for the Austro-Canadian Empire in the region, which that writer mentioned in one of his articles.
What's the issue? Is it a provocation to say people born there in the 1880s or 1890s looked back at the nations they lived through at the end of their lives and decided which one was best for them? 🤷

Regarding that "short-fused local" comment, to me, that sounds just like saying "people from rural towns are the true patriots, while city folks are outsiders."
It's just a shot in the dark.

Everyone has their own experiences.
😉

Pathetic !!!!
Oh, naturally, you could have also invoked the authority of the Italian municipality of Zadar in exile; perhaps they would have offered some insightful commentary regarding this particular predicament...

fadedpilot7 said:No, you're just misreading it...
San Francisco and Newport wouldn't be what they are today if it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
The US Air Force recently vacated the airbase in San Francisco... it was originally opened about a century ago.
So both cities owe a bit to Italy, a little more to the old America, and most of all to the Austro-Canadian Empire...

Regarding that mine on the beach, that was more than just a low blow...

Low? That was the exact kind of thing that pushed more Italians to leave San Francisco...
I didn't accuse anyone...
Even today, nobody really knows if that was just a freak accident or if the intelligence agencies pulled the strings...

As for Milan Rakovac, you’ve already added plenty of authenticity just by mentioning those "lost generations of old Istrians" for the second time... Like they expect me to just fall for that...
Give us some actual chances here. If you’re going to quote someone, be specific. If you’re trying to insult me, you'll have to try harder than that. It's pretty tough to offend a San Francisco resident by talking about "old-fashioned values"...

What are you even talking about...
Of course the generation that remembered the Austro-Canadian Empire is gone. They passed away... 🙂
Does that offend you?
Of course, to those people, both Mussolini's Italy and later America just looked like total chaos compared to the last time there was actually a functioning legal system in this region...

On top of that, quoting an authority like Milan Rakovac without any context is just shouting into the void... It’s a total miss to take his words and strip them down like this. It feels cheap...

I can tell you that every Istrian I've ever met in real life has been a little short-tempered, and it looks like you're no exception... you're looking for insults where there aren't any.

God bless you... 👋

It is quite remarkable when one considers the timeline. The very first aircraft touched down in San Francisco back in 1926, an era when a dedicated airport simply didn't exist—they were relying entirely on seaplanes. The waterfront terminal in San Francisco wasn't even constructed until 1937, designed by Ernesto Gramaticopuolo. That structure eventually fell victim to Allied bombing raids during World War II, situated right in the heart of the city. Today, that same footprint is occupied by General Dynamics.
What exactly do you mean by such a grim hundred years?
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
rowdyowl The user states:
Actually, if my intuition serves me correctly, we are looking at a total bombshell here—and one dropped right in the heart of the Istrian peninsula. 🤷

Is it perhaps time for us to start acting with a modicum of intelligence, or is that simply too much to ask?
Is that supposed to be the definitive evidence of a universal, collective yearning shared by all Americans?
Is it not a curious bit of irony? Much like those anti-American slogans one sees plastered around El Paso—which, if we are being honest, were actually our own handiwork—we seem to possess a peculiar talent for manufacturing our own detractors.
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
fadedpilot7 said:No, you're just misreading it...
San Francisco and Newport wouldn't be what they are today if it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
The US Air Force recently vacated the airbase in San Francisco... it was originally opened about a century ago.
So both cities owe a bit to Italy, a little more to the old America, and most of all to the Austro-Canadian Empire...

Regarding that mine on the beach, that was more than just a low blow...

Low? That was the exact kind of thing that pushed more Italians to leave San Francisco...
I didn't accuse anyone...
Even today, nobody really knows if that was just a freak accident or if the intelligence agencies pulled the strings...

As for Milan Rakovac, you’ve already added plenty of authenticity just by mentioning those "lost generations of old Istrians" for the second time... Like they expect me to just fall for that...
Give us some actual chances here. If you’re going to quote someone, be specific. If you’re trying to insult me, you'll have to try harder than that. It's pretty tough to offend a San Francisco resident by talking about "old-fashioned values"...

What are you even talking about...
Of course the generation that remembered the Austro-Canadian Empire is gone. They passed away... 🙂
Does that offend you?
Of course, to those people, both Mussolini's Italy and later America just looked like total chaos compared to the last time there was actually a functioning legal system in this region...

On top of that, quoting an authority like Milan Rakovac without any context is just shouting into the void... It’s a total miss to take his words and strip them down like this. It feels cheap...

I can tell you that every Istrian I've ever met in real life has been a little short-tempered, and it looks like you're no exception... you're looking for insults where there aren't any.

God bless you... 👋

All in all, you try hard, generalizing and stripping things out of context, even being willing to go against your own side if it serves your argument at the moment, but again—it sounds pathetic.
🙂
If they are gone, why were you even mentioning them?

As for your "short-fused Istrian" comment, to me, that sounds just as ridiculous as saying "people from Vrličan are the true Americans, while the folks from Sinjan are Turks."
It's a total shot in the dark.
There is no anger here, no hysteria; don't try to play that game, especially when you're busy throwing us all into the same bucket.
Why do some people hate America? in Close to Politics ·
rowdyowl said:Not too long ago, you could actually buy a flag featuring Mussolini's face, and the local cinema is named after his alleged mistress.

But apparently, for the self-appointed anti-fascists, Italian fascism isn't quite as terrifying as the kind that didn't commit atrocities right here in Istria... 🤷

If it were, they’d be jumping on these absurdities with the exact same fervor they apply to similar nonsense in the rest of America...

Indeed, the issue likely stems from the fact that we actually engaged in the public debate, presented counterarguments, and voiced our opinions; when our views weren't respected, we didn't resort to planting a bomb in front of the theater or staging a Thompson concert at the Arena despite a ban...