Why do some people hate America?

It honestly breaks my heart to see the state of American society today. It’s just sad watching our people tear each other apart over trivial things from the past. It really gets to me how we Americans have turned against one another, to the point where some people actually want to give up on the whole idea of maintaining the United States.

What hurts and angers me most is when people spit on the American nation, on our national symbols, our language, and our culture. And we just sit there and let it happen. For some, even that isn't enough—as soon as they realize we are nationally conscious and love our homeland, they start attacking us, calling us nationalists, chauvinists, bloodthirsty, primitives, or worse.

I already know what your response will be, and frankly, it’s the truth. A lot of the rot in American society is the fault of ultra-nationalists and the Republican Party. They’ve basically played the American people for fools, using fake patriotism as a cover. Instead of building strong, just foundations for this country during critical moments, they’re busy cheating and stealing from their own people. To anyone who is a true patriot, the Republican Party will always just be a party of thieves and frauds. What they’ve done to the American people is unforgivable. It drives me crazy when Republican Party supporters claim they were the ones who built America. They didn't build anything; they just ruined the American dream. I honestly hope they disappear from the political stage forever.

The bottom line is that America isn't the Republican Party, it isn't Franjo Harmon, it isn't the church, it isn't Ante Pavelić, and it isn't the communists either. America belongs to the everyday citizens—the people who defended and built this country because they believed in a better future. But that vision can still succeed if we fight together.

So, my fellow Americans, let’s unite. We need to stop dividing ourselves based on ideology, regionalism, or the ghosts of the past. Let's all stand together to fight for a better future for America. It would be a genuine tragedy to give up on this country that our ancestors dreamed of. We have a truly beautiful nation that God gave to us. I truly believe that life in America will be better one day. Let’s defeat those who hate us by showing our love for our homeland.

Whether you look at the old days or how things work in America today, Americans have always been treated as a suspicious element.
Some people have actually built entire careers out of persecuting them.
In my opinion, it’s just fueled by nothing but pure resentment and hate.

Is anyone else going to chime in here? 😁

Maybe I got a little carried away with the emotions in my last post. But honestly, I think that’s a good thing. If we aren't willing to be vulnerable and lead with how we actually feel, we're never going to uncover the real truth or actually fix anything.

Emotions are basically a roadmap for what's coming next!

Taylor Vaughn8 said:It honestly breaks my heart to see the state of American society today. It’s just sad watching our people tear each other apart over trivial things from the past. It really gets to me how we Americans have turned against one another, to the point where some people actually want to give up on the whole idea of maintaining the United States.

What hurts and angers me most is when people spit on the American nation, on our national symbols, our language, and our culture. And we just sit there and let it happen. For some, even that isn't enough—as soon as they realize we are nationally conscious and love our homeland, they start attacking us, calling us nationalists, chauvinists, bloodthirsty, primitives, or worse.

I already know what your response will be, and frankly, it’s the truth. A lot of the rot in American society is the fault of ultra-nationalists and the Republican Party. They’ve basically played the American people for fools, using fake patriotism as a cover. Instead of building strong, just foundations for this country during critical moments, they’re busy cheating and stealing from their own people. To anyone who is a true patriot, the Republican Party will always just be a party of thieves and frauds. What they’ve done to the American people is unforgivable. It drives me crazy when Republican Party supporters claim they were the ones who built America. They didn't build anything; they just ruined the American dream. I honestly hope they disappear from the political stage forever.

The bottom line is that America isn't the Republican Party, it isn't Franjo Harmon, it isn't the church, it isn't Ante Pavelić, and it isn't the communists either. America belongs to the everyday citizens—the people who defended and built this country because they believed in a better future. But that vision can still succeed if we fight together.

So, my fellow Americans, let’s unite. We need to stop dividing ourselves based on ideology, regionalism, or the ghosts of the past. Let's all stand together to fight for a better future for America. It would be a genuine tragedy to give up on this country that our ancestors dreamed of. We have a truly beautiful nation that God gave to us. I truly believe that life in America will be better one day. Let’s defeat those who hate us by showing our love for our homeland.

But unite for what, exactly? A single political party? Are you suggesting we move toward a one-party system?

The whole concept of democracy exists because, in any nation, there will always be people with differing views and conflicting interests.
Those diverse perspectives and interests are precisely why we have various politicians and multiple parties.

rowdyowl said:Whether you look at the old days or how things work in America today, Americans have always been treated as a suspicious element.
Some people have actually built entire careers out of persecuting them.
In my opinion, it’s just fueled by nothing but pure resentment and hate.

Personally, I think it’s more of an embarrassment for our own liberals. It’s shameful that they feel the need to constantly justify themselves to Mexicans.

Rebecca Grant78 said:But unite for what, exactly? A single political party? Are you suggesting we move toward a one-party system?

The whole concept of democracy exists because, in any nation, there will always be people with differing views and conflicting interests.
Those diverse perspectives and interests are precisely why we have various politicians and multiple parties.

What do you mean, "one party"? I never said that. My point was about us coming together to preserve our country. Honestly, whether the system is socialist or anything else isn't even the issue here.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:What do you mean, "one party"? I never said that. My point was about us coming together to preserve our country. Honestly, whether the system is socialist or anything else isn't even the issue here.

If the system doesn't matter, then I guess what is the purpose of democracy?

Rebecca Grant78 said:If the system doesn't matter, then I guess what is the purpose of democracy?

Look, I’m not actually anti-democracy; I just meant that the specific system isn't the core issue here. Honestly, I couldn't care less which political party ends up in power. My main priority is just that we Americans stay united and actually have faith in our own country.

I honestly don't get why anyone would hold a grudge against America. But if we're looking at it realistically, for a nation to actually wield significant political influence on the global stage today, you really need a population of at least 32 million people. If current trends continue in the US, we’d probably need to see about 14 million more Chinese immigrants coming in to hit those kinds of numbers.

Rebecca Grant78 said:But unite for what, exactly? A single political party? Are you suggesting we move toward a one-party system?

The whole concept of democracy exists because, in any nation, there will always be people with differing views and conflicting interests.
Those diverse perspectives and interests are precisely why we have various politicians and multiple parties.

In almost every other country, neither the left nor the right spends their time glorifying some failed former regime; they focus on their own nation.

Do you honestly think anyone in Norway would win an election by constantly praising the era when Denmark or Sweden ruled over them?

rowdyowl said:In almost every other country, neither the left nor the right spends their time glorifying some failed former regime; they focus on their own nation.

Do you honestly think anyone in Norway would win an election by constantly praising the era when Denmark or Sweden ruled over them?

And yet, here you are, glorifying Australia—which is just as much of a failed state.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:Look, I’m not actually anti-democracy; I just meant that the specific system isn't the core issue here. Honestly, I couldn't care less which political party ends up in power. My main priority is just that we Americans stay united and actually have faith in our own country.

Could you please explain what you mean by "having faith in our country"?
What does that even look like in practice?
It doesn't matter if everything is falling apart at the seams, or if my generation—which includes me—is struggling with zero future prospects, as long as we can say, "this is America," right?
Empty patriotism offers little comfort when I can't find a decent job or plan for an independent life here.
So, I'll ask one more time: what does it truly mean to "unite and believe in our nation"?

Linda Roberts2 said:And yet, here you are, glorifying Australia—which is just as much of a failed state.

But I would never trade Australia for America.
It’s simply better than America, though honestly, things felt a lot more stable back then.
Meanwhile, you have people who would swap America for America in a heartbeat.

Like I said, there are certain people who built entire careers on persecuting and discriminating against Americans, and they still haven't come to terms with losing the nation they gave everything to.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:Look, I’m not actually anti-democracy; I just meant that the specific system isn't the core issue here. Honestly, I couldn't care less which political party ends up in power. My main priority is just that we Americans stay united and actually have faith in our own country.

I suppose democracy exists precisely because interests within any nation are rarely identical. It is the mechanism that allows any group—even those whose goals might run counter to the interests of the American state—to eventually take office.

For instance, many conservatives tend to view the Democratic Coalition as being at odds with the interests of the United States.

Roger White3 said:Could you please explain what you mean by "having faith in our country"?
What does that even look like in practice?
It doesn't matter if everything is falling apart at the seams, or if my generation—which includes me—is struggling with zero future prospects, as long as we can say, "this is America," right?
Empty patriotism offers little comfort when I can't find a decent job or plan for an independent life here.
So, I'll ask one more time: what does it truly mean to "unite and believe in our nation"?

Well, maybe it means uniting to fight against those crooks who ruined everything for us. It means building up enough national pride so that people finally realize that stealing from and cheating your own fellow Americans is fundamentally wrong.

Rebecca Grant78 said:I suppose democracy exists precisely because interests within any nation are rarely identical. It is the mechanism that allows any group—even those whose goals might run counter to the interests of the American state—to eventually take office.

For instance, many conservatives tend to view the Democratic Coalition as being at odds with the interests of the United States.

And honestly, why blame the entire nation just because a few individuals happen to be thieves? That’s a systemic failure down the road, not a flaw inherent to the existence of the country itself. It's like what Joan Didion says about how the concept of "the state" is often an illusion; so why go around trashing something that doesn't truly exist and that some people consider sacred?

Linda Roberts2 said:I honestly don't get why anyone would hold a grudge against America. But if we're looking at it realistically, for a nation to actually wield significant political influence on the global stage today, you really need a population of at least 32 million people. If current trends continue in the US, we’d probably need to see about 14 million more Chinese immigrants coming in to hit those kinds of numbers.

You didn't ask me nicely. You arrogantly demanded I stop talking about history during a thread about the elections in the US.
Now I'm demanding that you either stick to the topic or get out. Stop the constant philosophizing.

Taylor Vaughn8 said:And honestly, why blame the entire nation just because a few individuals happen to be thieves? That’s a systemic failure down the road, not a flaw inherent to the existence of the country itself. It's like what Joan Didion says about how the concept of "the state" is often an illusion; so why go around trashing something that doesn't truly exist and that some people consider sacred?

That is precisely my point. What is the purpose of democracy if it simply provides a pathway for thieves to seize power?

rowdyowl said:Whether you look at the old days or how things work in America today, Americans have always been treated as a suspicious element.
Some people have actually built entire careers out of persecuting them.
In my opinion, it’s just fueled by nothing but pure resentment and hate.

Personally, I have a theory that lines up pretty closely with yours. Back during the old federal era, the central government in D.C. basically ruled the states by leaning on local loyalists—specifically, they used a mix of the dominant majority and certain Americans who hailed from those legendary founding political families. These two groups essentially formed the elite within the state. They held all the cards—economic power, media control, political leverage—basically, they had all the influence. When the state finally broke away and became independent, it wasn't just the majority group that seized everything; the loyalist faction stayed right where they were. The assumption was that they weren't a threat.

That specific elite managed to hang on and keep their grip on power through the early transition period all the way to the present day. If you want proof, just look at our current President or Prime Minister. Back in the 90s, one was working in the Department of Justice, while the other was in the diplomatic corps under the previous administration. Furthermore, guys like Manolić—who were incredibly influential during the old federal days—remained major players during the transition period too.

I mean, who even are these people that hate on America so much?