Posts by Andrew Hayes8

wearyowl29 said:http://pixelizam.com/bizarni-psiholo...-posli-po-zlu/

There’s also the Milgram experiment out there, but personally? I find "The Third Wave" way more fascinating—it's actually what the movie was based on!

I've watched both the movie and the documentary
it really is striking how easily people can be swayed in any direction whatsoever.

Lisa Morales4 said:Man, if that's the case, then you're basically unreliable—just some chaotic troublemaker everyone needs to steer clear of.🙄

Hmm... or maybe you just misunderstood what "obedience" meant growing up, so you expressed your free will through defiance. You know, essentially screwing over anyone who (as you so eloquently put it) had been placed in a certain "box" of responsibility, or anyone who trusted you to finish something. By being defiant, you probably blew things up without considering the impact on your team—assuming you actually care about anything other than yourself or the consequences, and assuming you even care about the "responsible" person asking you for help.

Oh, don't worry, I remember being a total toddler during my teenage years, telling my parents "N-o, I w-i-l-l n-o-t!" But that was safe to do at home, because a threat of a timeout was just a sign of love,
whereas consequences for that kind of disobedience at school would have cost way too much.

Folks, it brings to mind Jesus's parable from a recent Bible reading about the vineyard owner who had two sons. When he called the first one to help, the son said, "No," and left. But later, he changed his mind and went to help. When the owner asked the second son to help, he obeyed immediately.

A question for Nemruth Dag and the rest of the world: which son actually pleased his father more?

A follow-up question for Nemruth Dag and the rest of the world: why did soldiers in the civil war shoot their own comrades over something as trivial as a handful of dried plums?

A question for the intellectuals: why does Zloca Destruction place such importance on obedience?

An additional question for the intellectuals: what do trust and love actually mean to Zloca Destruction?

I get the feeling you completely missed the point of what I wrote.
But fine, let it be. I’m too lazy to go back and fix anything.
In principle, I wouldn't mind certain people avoiding me—quite the opposite, actually. 🙂 But no, I can handle dealing with them.
So it's hardly a tragedy if our paths cross.

Anyway, regarding the topic...
I was watching a documentary about what happens when people follow authority figures unconditionally.
It was an experiment where a group of students were tasked with "punishing" another group of students with electric shocks whenever they gave a wrong answer.
Of course, the professors had coordinated with the second group to intentionally give wrong answers, so there weren't actually any real electric shocks, but the first group had no idea.
Maybe only six of them refused; I don't know the exact number, but only one person explicitly said they wouldn't do something like that.
The rest did exactly what they were told.
Some seemed genuinely distressed when they heard the others screaming (they were acting, obviously), yet they still kept pressing the button to inflict pain.
The worst of them all was one girl who appeared to be the most sensitive and mild-mannered of the bunch.
All in all, a fascinating experiment.
Perhaps some of you have seen it before.

I found the link here if anyone is interested.
I see now that the second group were actors, but I watched this ages ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

wearyowl29 said:

You know, everyone talks about the seven deadly sins, but there’s an eighth one hiding in plain sight—one that doesn't even look like a sin at first glance. It's obedience. Honestly, it's caused enough chaos to earn its spot on the list.
It's funny, really. People often toss aside their own common sense and intelligence just to follow some authority figure. They turn into a total herd mentality from the get-go. It’s much easier to let someone else make the calls than to actually think for yourself, right? So they just trade away their freedom of thought for convenience.
Any society built on rigid authority relies on that exact same mindset, and frankly, so do most ideologies and religions.

Check out this episode of Science Magazine dedicated to this "eighth sin."

Looking at it through a spiritual lens, what do you all think? Is blind obedience a good thing or a bad thing when it comes to a person's spiritual growth and maturity?

How do you guys handle your own obedience—or lack thereof? What kind of impact has it had on your life?

Oh, absolutely. The entire human race is built upon that exact principle.
People are sorted into different categories.
You have those who act as authorities and those who simply obey.
It starts in infancy; many parents present themselves as absolute authorities to their children.
Then they hit school, dealing with teachers and professors.
Later, it's bosses.
Essentially, people are trained for obedience from the time they are small.
I should mention that back in elementary school, most of my teachers told me
that I didn't recognize authority.
Even after working under a few bosses, I received nothing but praise, though they always cited that as my one flaw.
I don't accept authority for authority's sake.
It would be wonderful if people could rid themselves of this evil and only respect those who actually deserve respect.

Matthew Evans said:"Quote:"

Harmony isn't some vague, fuzzy feeling. It’s actually about existing in total openness to everything around you. It means everything exists while knowing its purpose—acting in a way that hits its absolute peak potential without stepping on anyone else's toes or messing with the rest of the system. That's why we talk about living in harmony with our environment; it just means making sure every move you make aligns with the fundamental laws of nature.

If a person could actually exist in total harmony with everyone else, it would mean that none of their actions would ever threaten the existence or the potential of another individual—and by extension, humanity itself. Every single thing they did would be driven by the pursuit of their own maximum potential, and in that scenario, reaching that peak would naturally become the ultimate expression of our highest collective values.

For a group to actually function in harmony, you need individuals who understand how to foster collective well-being. It’s pretty simple: true well-being comes from fulfilling those initial potentials we carry—those deep-seated intentions meant for our own soul's self-realization. If we actually knew how to let our souls manifest, we’d inadvertently create harmony in our reality too. The logic behind it is straightforward. When you're in the middle of an action, you can see its direction—you can see exactly where you're headed. If that goal, and the action itself, doesn't step on anyone else's toes, then you know you're on the right track toward realizing your soul. Another dead giveaway that the soul is being realized is the experience itself... The simple joys of living.

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Balance is essentially just a leveling mechanism—an effort to smooth out frequency discrepancies and pull every single cell back into equilibrium. Think of the human body like a complex electrical grid. We’re constantly trying to balance that energetic field, syncing up the frequencies of every individual cell with the frequency of the soul that drives them—the central point everything else orbits around. When those two frequencies finally align, healing actually happens. It's simple math: when the cells and the soul vibrate at the exact same rate, you achieve total systemic harmony. The problem is fear. Fear disrupts that harmony, creating blocks, and those blocks inevitably lead to sickness. To put it bluntly, if the cells become so diseased that they start vibrating in total chaos, the Being simply pulls the soul out of that vessel, and the body dies. But if you engage in the routine work of balancing that energetic field, those isolated, terrified cells can find their way back to their original frequency. They sync back up with the soul, and the body returns to a state of being healthy. Real health isn't just an absence of symptoms; it's a return to rhythm.

Balancing our body's energy field is essentially just mimicking how the universe balances its own field. On a cosmic scale, the process is identical. The universe maintains equilibrium by routinely sending a Proton Ring from its core out toward the periphery. Anything caught within that ring undergoes a sort of healing process. Our Earth follows this exact same cycle every 26,000 years, where the conscious levels of beings here return to their intended frequency—the frequency of their soul. During these times, humanity reaches a collective peak, and civilizations hit their absolute zenith. Of course, it doesn't stay there. Periodically, the cells of the human collective isolate themselves again, acting through a veil of fear. This drives consciousness downward, sometimes even toward total self-destruction. That’s exactly where we find ourselves right now: our technology has outpaced our actual capacity for understanding and our level of awareness. Because of this gap, we're seeing an influx of souls entering "life" with the specific intention of waking up to Self-knowledge. They come to use that knowledge to balance the vibrations of those whose consciousness has dropped to catastrophic levels. But a catastrophe isn't inevitable. We have spiritual access from higher dimensions down into the lower ones. From a state of Higher Consciousness, we get a bird's-eye view of Lower Consciousnesses. We step in as volunteers from above to balance this dimension from the inside, staying in constant contact with our older, more conscious brothers and sisters.

When people like this show up, their vibrations, their thoughts, and their actions act like a catalyst. They cause the collective understanding of existence to shift rapidly from the inside out. There isn't a better remedy than one that works internally. That’s how you actually make a change—without anyone hurting anyone else, without anyone threatening someone else's perspective. After all, the perspective itself is what's evolving. Once an individual's consciousness shifts, they become their own supervisor, naturally striving for internal harmony through that new lens.
(I'll be breaking down the method soon—how to balance our energy fields and what tools to use.)

But aren't the laws of nature designed such that someone always ends up hurting someone else? I am talking specifically about eating—for one thing to be full, it has to harm another.
Is that kind of existence actually harmonious?

Matthew Evans;51794136 Also, an obvious sign that the soul is realizing itself is the experience of [U says:
the joy of living.

I know that feeling of joy.

As for balance, I believe it is influenced by how everyone behaves, speaks, and thinks.
For instance, in parts of the country where people are constantly stressed, more aggressive, or obsessed with talking about violence,
those areas are mostly where negative things tend to happen.

Matthew Evans
You haven't actually explained what harmony and balance mean to you.
Are you really that indifferent?

Could you please clarify what harmony and balance actually mean to you?
In other words, what constitutes absolute harmony and balance for you?

Matthew Evans said:There’s really just one single Being. Everything else is just an expression, an experience, a manifestation of that one thing.
🙂

Yes, I am inclined to agree.
The rest are just fragmented pieces.
However, how do you explain why certain expressions, manifestations, or experiences are so saturated with evil that they effectively harm both the individual and the whole?
What if something like human disease is an example of this?

Amy Brooks12 said:Look, sorry, but that’s what being a Catholic and a real man is all about, not being a mindless dog. When Father Damir tells me there’s no better lover than a true Catholic who knows how to give himself fully—and when he does, he gives everything he has—it honestly gives me chills. It triggers these sinful thoughts where I suddenly wish I were some Buddhist just so I could be reborn and catch the eye of a real Catholic man from any corner of the globe. I want to be his queen, whether we're out on the street, at home, in front of the family, or especially in front of his mother. Though, if he ever did anything to hurt me, I'd want his father to slap him hard and remind him exactly who he belongs to 100%.

Hmm. That sounds incredibly strange—this idea of surrendering oneself entirely to sex.
That is incredibly crude.
A man never gives himself away to anyone, and frankly, why should he?
We aren't objects meant to be handed out.

Sam Thomas said:Are you equating freedom of speech with the truth?
And you honestly believe what someone "actually thinks" is synonymous with the truth?

That's a mistake.

Does the truth hurt?
And does a lie feel any better?

In a philosophy department, one would hope to move past these kinds of tired platitudes.

I am not equating anything. Free speech simply provides the avenue for the truth to be spoken.
Of course, it also allows for lies to be told.
(And she writes that the truth hurts most, which doesn't change the fact that a lie can sting just as much).

Mark Torres14 said:Except he might be ugly to you, but I think he looks great.
Is there even such a thing as being "objectively ugly"?

We are talking about the majority here.
Most people are fundamentally similar, and their tastes follow suit.
Naturally, the ones we find attractive look beautiful to us, regardless of how they appear to the masses.

Mark Torres14 said:Common sense tells you the earth is flat, doesn't it?

And you think that’s going to work? Please. You post and then you go silent.Yeah, because that’s just how they roll over there.
It’s common knowledge, plain and simple.

Exactly!👍

Human relationships would be a hell of a lot simpler if people just said what they actually meant.

Start with yourself. Do you always have to tell people exactly what’s on your mind just in the name of "the truth"? For example, if your friend is ugly, would you actually look her in the eye and say, "Don't get mad, but you're honestly hideous—and I'm going to print that in my newspaper because freedom of speech demands it"?

Fine, I used the Earth as an example
but if people didn't have the right to speak freely, they probably would still believe the world is flat today
take, for example, how certain harmful traditions exist where girls are mutilated in places like Somalia; those practices must be criticized
if people just turn a blind eye or stay quiet out of some fake sense of respect—because let’s face it, it’s hard to respect those customs—then humanity makes zero progress
telling someone they are ugly if they actually are is better than lying to their face about being beautiful
honestly, physical appearance isn't even as vital as it has become in modern times
so telling an unattractive person the truth wouldn't even hurt them, because it's a completely insignificant fact

So, let me see if I have this straight,
some group, nation, or religion can act however they please, regardless of how much your own sanity tells you it’s wrong
and you're just expected to respect that and stay silent, simply because that's "their way"
It has been known since ancient times that the truth hurts most
but that doesn't mean it should go unsaid
In any case, I stand for freedom of speech; someone who has nothing to hide
has absolutely no reason to fear what others might say
The truth should always prevail
Human relationships would be far more transparent and straightforward if people actually said what they truly thought