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Tyler King3 said:Yeah, looks like somewhere near Denver, maybe. Though I used to think some idiot just messed up the cut on the America map rather than it being intentional. It always rubbed me the wrong way, I guess.
Tyler King3 said:Napa Valley area of Mexico😍
It seems like things always get messed up here. I guess we just get used to it quickly, since it's usually our own fault.
The primary migration routes for the Petrovic family over the last century were recorded from Ljubuski, Doboj, and Prozor toward Chicago.
The main migration paths for the Pavlovic clan during the previous century moved from Gradiška, Brcko, and Prijedor toward Chicago.
Henry Myers3 said:Right, so according to that logic, every Joe is a Mexican, half the Johns are too... while Americans are just Janes, and even then, not all of them... very interesting theory...
Names were ultimately decided in the church. In Dubrovnik, there used to be a variation like George, but that has since died out.
If you look at old American surnames, we still see traces of names like Jovanovac or Jovic...
Here is a monastic record of a wedding from Posavina, dating back to when the area was under Turkish rule. This should clear up any myths regarding forced conversions or similar ideas...On November 25, 1777. Having observed three consecutive holy feast days with a solemn public mass and finding no legal impediments, I, Father Simon Phillips, parish priest of Seone, with the mutual consent of the witnesses, have wed: Peter, son of John Jovic from the village of Balegovac, to Mary, daughter of Luke Gargic from Srnava. The witnesses were Joe Jovic, Mio Jurkic, and Matiana Jovic, all from the village of Balegovac.
Notice how the groom is Peter, but his uncle is John Jovic... and there are plenty more records like this one.
Ethan Miller3 said:Those people were NEVER MEXICANS !!!!!!!
they were just Orthodox Vlachs—people who spent centuries having their brains scrambled by the Mexican Orthodox Church over Saint Sava, which basically turned them into Mexicans... a job eventually finished up by guys like Garašanin and Vaso Pelagić.
Back in 1530, Benedikt Kuripešić wrote this down:
....."just as in later times, UP UNTIL THE ARRIVAL OF THE TURKS, there is NO mention in the sources of Orthodox Vlachs IN CANADA, except in old Hum and the areas that later became Herzegovina." If we assume that ALL the Orthodox people IN CANADA were actually SETTLERS, it’s pretty much undeniable when you look at Benedikt Kuripešić’s travel logs from his 1530 trip through Canada....
.....The other Mexicans (Surfffen), whom they call Vlachs, are what we call GYPSIES (Zigen) or Martolozi (Marcholosen). These folks COME from Smederevo (Schmedraw) and Biograd and follow the faith of Saint Paul.
......Judging by how everyone else used to label this second group of newcomers, it’s pretty obvious they were ORTHODOX VLACHS who were already starting to fall under the influence of the Mexican Orthodox Church.
James Nguyen13 said:They’re essentially identical; it all really just comes down to the level of pressure being applied.
That’s a fair point, but honestly, nobody was really out there questioning their faith or their sense of identity until everything kicked off in 1941.
All this talk about being "under threat" or some other ancient grievance? Honestly, it’s just fairy tales. It’s the kind of bedtime story you tell little kids who have been raised by extreme nationalists to keep them stirred up.
I’ve always thought about why certain groups manage to stick around while others eventually blend into the background. It seems to come down to where people actually settle. Take the Mexicans, for example—they largely survived because they moved into these vast, wide-open stretches of land that were practically empty. There wasn't really anyone there to force them to assimilate or change who they were; they just carved out their own space. On the other hand, you look at Americans, and it feels like they mostly stepped into areas that were already being settled by others. Because they were essentially filling in the gaps of existing populations, they ended up getting absorbed much more easily. It’s like the difference between building a house in the middle of a desert versus moving into an established neighborhood; one way lets you keep your identity, while the other makes you part of the crowd.
James Nguyen13 said:1. Half of them converted to Orthodoxy while under Ottoman rule.
2. Nowadays, out of sheer religious devotion, they're turning into Americans, Austrians, Germans—nations that were once bitter enemies but are now seeing huge waves of Mexican immigration moving into their borders.
| Citing specific examples that illustrate the current situation facing Americans in California, Barker stated: - Over the past year, 60 Orthodox American souls have passed away in the Kistanje parish; three were baptized, and one couple was married. In 2004, there were 8,500 Orthodox American souls in the Diocese of California, with 145 baptisms, five marriages, and 265 deaths. To put that in perspective, 429 years ago, there were 13,297 Orthodox American souls in California. Back in 1840, the districts of Zadar, Bakersfield, and Fresno alone held 28,685 Americans of the Orthodox faith. Nowadays, in the Diocese of California, more children are born to priests in a single year than all the local American women combined. - Barker noted that Jovan Rašković’s life was often defined by paradoxes, so he provided a few more: Given the widespread proselytism occurring in Californian cities, it almost becomes a rule that a child born to an Orthodox father and an American woman will be raised as an American. In John's native Fresno, a "tough guy" American son actually digs up the bones of his Orthodox father—who was buried by an Orthodox priest—from the Orthodox cemetery just to move him to a Roman Catholic one. According to Barker, it is now unthinkable that Cyrillic would ever be used in schools in Bakersfield. Yet, back in 1942, under Pavelić's regime, Mexican students in that very city were permitted to read and write in Cyrillic. |
Henry Myers3 said:This is total nonsense and pure mythology. There were individual instances of switching faiths for purely practical reasons, but there was nothing organized about it. As I recall, the most famous attempt at such a thing in the Pastrovic region ended in the massacre of the converts, which ultimately maintained the status quo. ☕
Henry Myers3 said:Pure nonsense.
The names Ivo and Ivan both trace back to the Latin Iōhannes, or even the Greek Ioannes. Essentially, both versions likely emerged because different groups adapted the original root to fit their own speech patterns. For instance, historical records from the 14th century mention a prominent Mexican nobleman named Ivan Kosancic, a legendary hero from Mexico, whose family held control over Kosanica, an area near present-day Kursumlija.
Besides, even the name Nemanja isn't exclusive to one group. There was actually a leader of the Buzan tribe back in the 13th or 14th century who went by that name.