Posts by neoncobra15

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Moderator abuse in the Religion section in Feedback & Suggestions · Sep 23, 2012

driftingfalcon3 said:Check this out, I’m gonna write this post:

You're totally right that I should've just sat tight and waited, but honestly, I've learned my lesson the hard way—if you look back at post #370 in this thread, you'll see I already filed a formal complaint about cosmictinker21's constant trolling. Since nothing actually got done when I spoke up last time, I figured history was just going to repeat itself, so I didn't waste any more time and went straight to the PDF for Messages, Complaints, and Comments.

Thanks for the red card for cosmictinker21, but honestly, the job isn't finished yet. I actually need that penalty lifted because I haven't insulted anyone here. Telling cosmictinker21 that she’s acting like a perfect entity by participating in something she OPENLY admits to supporting—specifically her stance on the official theory regarding the collapse of the World Trade Center—CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AN INSULT. How I choose to label the SYSTEMATIC LIES told by people who kill 3,000 innocent Americans and then try to pin it on some made-up group of Arabs is entirely up to me, and calling that despicable crime what I did is actually the mildest way I could have put it.

Look, at the end of the day, this isn't even about insulting cosmictinker21, because that just didn't happen. Taking a side in what I consider to be the GREATEST INSOLENCE imaginable is perfectly legitimate—just like it’s totally fair for someone bragging about being involved in it to claim they are the Perfect Entity for participating in such a thing. Honestly, anyone who is that hardcore a supporter of anything, even this Great Insolence (which is honestly the most polite way I can put it, given how much of a crime it actually is), is nothing more than the Perfect Entity for being part of it.

That isn't an insult by any damn standard! Are you seriously going to strip that red card from me, or am I gonna have to copy-paste this entire mess over to Messages, Complaints, and Comments again?

Thanks, and my bad for rushing through those messages, complaints, and comments earlier.
I said I was going to see this through to the end, and damn right I am, because I’m in the right here—I'm just a victim of that legendary, nonstop terror from ego.
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I mean, look, if ego actually meant what he said regarding that specific part—the one I pointed out in my analysis as being completely irrelevant to why I got a red card—then maybe we’d actually have something to work with here. We might even have some actual material for a potential battle, even if it feels like a lost cause from the jump, where ego could try to spin some logical argument claiming that the disputed section was somehow the legitimate basis for my red card.

Man, honestly, Ego is digging himself such a deep hole right now that there’s no way anyone in this pit is ever getting him out. This whole mess is basically just Ego taking my own words and throwing them back at me.
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How much IQ do you actually need to not see that the link is pointing directly to the fact that those who brought that building down left an UNMISTAKABLE SIGNATURE behind?

ego rustydrifter10 says: Nah, you didn't offend anyone. ☕
So, if you really ask me... Seriously though, what kind of IQ do you actually need to have to pull this off? What kind of connection is that even supposed to be?! Like, seriously, what does this have to do with insulting ANYONE? Honestly, it’s just straight-up terrifying how much you let yourself get away with. Giving me a red card over a question that was completely harmless is just insane. If people were getting banned for stuff like this, Reddit would probably shut down within twenty-four hours. 🙂

I’m asking for an URGENT reversal on this ABSOLUTELY UNJUST red card I just got!
Yo, you seriously need to go look at what the administrator and Kevin sent over—check out that whole mess regarding the religion complaint and the back-and-forth in the code of conduct and the book of religious complaints... 🤦 Seriously though, that's just mind-blowing.

I find your analogy rather apt, as it underscores exactly the point I was making regarding the distinction between merely stating a fact and expressing an opinion; there is a difference between saying
"I think you're being foolish..." and "you are foolish."

Your IQ example serves as a subtle rhetorical device to convey the underlying message—that someone is lacking in intellect, or in this specific instance, possesses a low IQ.🙂

But, as I previously noted, the inclusion of "I think" is the loophole, which leads me to agree with your sentiment that the red card was unmerited, even if we all understand precisely what was implied by that inquiry regarding IQ levels.😉

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Moderator abuse in the Religion section in Feedback & Suggestions · Sep 23, 2012

rustydrifter10 said:You aren't going to get banned, but you might catch a red card if you keep this up since you're totally off-topic. This is specifically driftingfalcon3's complaint about one particular issue, and there really isn't any need to turn it into a massive, generalized debate.

Yes, you make a fair point... digital space is an expensive commodity, where we effectively pay for every single word in every post, yet we deal with constant clutter and endless tangents that breed chaos on the forum... if I really think about it, we should probably just ban at least 50% of the users to finally establish some semblance of order... let's start with me, for instance. 🙂

adios 👋

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Moderator abuse in the Religion section in Feedback & Suggestions · Sep 23, 2012

Brenda Cook4 said:I'm not sure why you're elaborating on this now, because there isn't really a dilemma regarding the glaring difference between saying "you are stupid" and "you are talking nonsense." That distinction hasn't been ignored here. In fact, the user was handed a red card because they agreed with and signed off on a post that had already earned a red card for being insulting, specifically because they wrote: "You are definitely the stupidest person I've ever met!". i [URL="']here and here
Look, it's pretty straightforward.

But let me add: if you told someone in real life, "I think you're an idiot," that still constitutes an insult. You're likely using "I think" to soften the blow, whereas saying "what you are saying is, in my opinion, foolish" is something else entirely.

Look, we aren't talking about "trash talk" here; this user was sanctioned specifically for insults. I believe I’ve already clarified which kinds of behavior actually trigger a penalty. Using a word like "damn" or some mild slang isn't something I think warrants a ban. This is an online forum—it's supposed to reflect real people and real conversations. We maintain a basic code of conduct to keep things orderly, but we aren't trying to sanitize everything or script every single post. If you feel strongly about it, feel free to start a new thread over in the PZK section to discuss the definition of "trash talk."

My comments were intended as a general observation regarding the frequent issue of administrative errors... and I wasn't just referring to this specific forum, but rather the broader landscape, which, truth be told, even this platform isn't entirely exempt from.

So, please understand there was no personal animosity or direct targeting involved.

And as a side note; while I haven't actively participated in any specific debates, I believe I maintain the right to express an opinion that doesn't necessarily contradict those held by el.bebi or cosmictinker21....though, I suppose I should probably brace myself for a ban now, shouldn't I? 🙂

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Moderator abuse in the Religion section in Feedback & Suggestions · Sep 23, 2012

Brenda Cook4 said:“The part where you said 'me too' referred to the facepalm because you're disgusted by the stupidity” — that is precisely why you received a red card. See, the post you agreed with was flagged specifically because of the line “I’ve never met anyone stupider than you”, which is why driftingfalcon3 was justified in lashing out and asking for you to get a red card as well.

Regarding the swearing: unless we are talking about swearing at forum members, their families, or using extremely crude, gutter language—or excessive use of those "Texan" profanities—we don't sanction it. As it states in the rule of Religion:

Being crude isn't acceptable. We aren't demanding the level of decorum you'd see on an evening news broadcast, but let's not overdo it.

So, that particular logic applies;

Saying "he/she is an idiot, a moron..." is sanctioned just as much as saying "I THINK he/she is an idiot, a moron..."

What most people fail to grasp and distinguish—and this includes the moderators themselves—is the difference between
1. a conclusive statement
2. an opinion

In any decent democratic society, within a liberal and civil environment, making a definitive claim versus posing a speculative one is often walking a tightrope... though such a distinction would collapse instantly in a court of law... because asserting that someone is wrong and merely thinking someone is wrong are as different as night and day.

In other words, "I think" is the magic word used to mask what we might actually believe... whereas freedom of speech protects opinions, but not necessarily intent.

For example;

"I think Perin's comment is childish and foolish... because of X and Y (argument)?!" (this shouldn't be sanctioned, as it's an expressed opinion which guarantees so-called freedom of speech and thought)

"Pero is a childish fool... because of X and Y..." (absolute sanction, because a direct insult is presented as a fact rather than an opinion, regardless of the argument provided)

And again, I realize I'm walking a fine line here... but this distinction really ought to be made, though of course, there must be a limit to insults disguised under the guise of "I think," otherwise the loophole could be easily abused.

I say this from my own real-life experience in the courtroom (where I served as a prosecutor)... and also from my experience on internet forums. Even if it looks identical from an administrator's perspective, higher laws and actual courts have ruled that "I think you're an idiot" is not the same thing as "you are an idiot." It's a paradoxical reality that humbles us mere mortals (and forum admins alike)... but that is how it works in practice. If we insist on adhering to the law, then who are we—or these little forum administrators—to claim that "you are..." and "I think you are..." are both identical insults? From this viewpoint, it almost seems as if the admins of certain forums view themselves as Gods above the laws of the country they live in... much like that old American adage: "My house, my rules." 😉

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