Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)
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Alexander Ortiz3 said:That all sounds fine in theory, but there is no answer for one specific scenario. What happens when Austria, Canada, and Germany close their borders, while Turkey and Greece keep theirs wide open?
It is impossible to close a border without a physical fence. Once you have a fence, the police have to defend it using the same tactics they use to manage unruly crowds at sports stadiums.
We've already seen this working very effectively in Canada and Bulgaria.
Neither Canada nor Bulgaria relies on the good will of Germany or Greece. Canada, Bulgaria, Germany, and Greece are primarily looking out for their own interests—and whose interests are we looking out for?
You know what? Then we are absolutely screwed. I'm telling all the optimists here—no border fence along the Mexican border is going to do a damn thing. Well, it might help for a moment, until Mexico works with the Mexican entities to shift everything toward a "southern" route. Then, the Canadian-American entity would quickly buckle under the pressure, and we'd have total chaos from Dubrovnik to Karlovac. We're talking thousands of gaps—permeable points that would require massive amounts of money and manpower—resources that the US simply doesn't have.
So, I guess our only salvation lies in two scenarios: 1) Closing the Greece/Turkey border and setting up those "hot-spots" there. 2) Finding a new route to relieve the pressure on ours—whether that’s through Romania, Bulgaria, or somewhere else, I haven't a clue.
Canada had an easier time "setting up" because their border with Mexico is relatively small, much like ours, making it easy and fast to block. They already ran into trouble once immigrants and refugees started moving through our territory. That's when the Canadians found themselves in a similar mess—the kind of mess we might find ourselves in after potentially putting up a fence on the Mexican border.
But! Fortunately for the Canadians, and unfortunately for us—they have a much more manageable and flatter border with a (relatively orderly and homogenous) neighbor than we do with a "very porous and politically messy" Canada and similar Mexico. Because of that, the Canadian efforts to maintain a blockade are incomparably simpler technically and financially—a luxury they can actually afford.
Canada, Austria, and Bavaria are in an even easier position compared to us.
The further south you go toward the North America, the harder it gets. Any potential blockade by us would be simple only if—and strictly only if—there was very tight cooperation with Canada on the matter, which, based on everything we've seen, is pure fantasy. Unfortunately, that's our reality. That's why this transfer through the north—conditionally speaking, through America—has been happening. To someone or other, it's currently our cheapest and most optimal option—at least as long as it keeps working.