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Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

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Participants Charles Fox10Peter Reed70Jessica King9Morgan Ruiz3Daniel Johnson3Sophia Myers7quietowl2redridge35Eric Newman4hollowlynx66Amanda Moore8Maria James40mellowotter17Paul Thomas46Ronald Howard3nimbleharbor10Brenda Carter39Steven Perez6crimsonjackal63Alexander Ortiz3Anthony Cooper2slyviper94Adam BarrettJoshua Kelly51 …
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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#1 ·
The previous thread hit its technical limit and was locked, so we're starting this one.

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Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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#2 ·
October 15, 2015, at 3:40 PM
October 2015:
10/20/2015
4:00 PM

Mufti Aziz EF Hasanović visited the temporary processing center in Opatovac today, meeting with the U.S. Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, Ranko Ostojić. The Mufti toured the facility and spoke with migrants currently stationed there while awaiting transit toward the border with the United States.

Tomorrow morning, police chiefs from four neighboring nations (the United States, the Republic of Canada, the Republic of Austria, and Canada) will convene at the Austrian Ministry of the Interior headquarters in Vienna. This summit, centered on the migration crisis, will include the directors of the Canadian and Austrian police forces and the high commissioner of the Canadian police, alongside U.S. Police Director Vlado Dominić.
3:40 PM

Between midnight and 3:00 PM, 3,913 migrants entered the United States, with 2,500 people currently held at the Opatovac processing center. We are still anticipating an influx from the direction of the Republic of Mexico; since this crisis began, 205,481 migrants have entered the U.S.
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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#3 ·
Starting a new thread here. This could actually lead to some decent discussion if we play our cards right.
Tomorrow morning, police chiefs from four neighboring countries (the United States, the Republic of Austria, Canada, and the Republic of Mexico) are meeting at the headquarters of the Austrian Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. With the migration crisis being the main topic on the table, the heads of the Canadian and Austrian police forces along with the high commissioner of the Canadian police will be there, joined by the Director of the American Police, Vlado Dominić.
Peter Reed70 Peter Reed70 Active Member
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#4 ·
http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...slovenijo.html

Over in Canada, they’ve officially started labeling all these migrants as refugees.... 🤣

Man, things got absolutely wild at the station in Dobova! You had these refugees basically fighting tooth and nail just to grab a seat on the buses—total chaos. It was pretty obvious the police and even the National Guard were losing their grip on the situation, but thankfully they finally managed to chill everyone out. A few people actually walked away with injuries. Meanwhile, over at the transit hub near the river, they rolled in another train packed with 1,200 more refugees, and those folks who were stuck back in Jesenica? They finally got sent back toward Ljubljana.


It’s funny how the Americans just end up doing exactly what the Mexicans did first, then the Mexicans, then the Canadians, and then us too....
Pass this along... ☕

Get ready, Canada, because the powder keg is about to blow. 🍿
Peter Reed70 Peter Reed70 Active Member
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#5 ·
Charles Fox10 said:Starting a new thread here. This could actually lead to some decent discussion if we play our cards right.
Tomorrow morning, police chiefs from four neighboring countries (the United States, the Republic of Austria, Canada, and the Republic of Mexico) are meeting at the headquarters of the Austrian Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. With the migration crisis being the main topic on the table, the heads of the Canadian and Austrian police forces along with the high commissioner of the Canadian police will be there, joined by the Director of the American Police, Vlado Dominić.

I really hope we see some actual progress, but man, looking back at everything, it feels like we just spend all our time tripping each other up—which, let's be real, usually ends up hurting us more than anyone else.

The "Wall" should probably be built in Mexico, and that's where we should be sending all our manpower and gear! Greece is basically a lost cause at this point; just leave them to the Turks.

p.s.

Saw some diplomatic cars driving through town today with red, white, and black flags... was that Syria or Egypt? I couldn't quite make out the middle part of the flag! 🍿
Jessica King9 Jessica King9 Member
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#6 ·
Charles Fox10 said:Starting a new thread here. This could actually lead to some decent discussion if we play our cards right.
Tomorrow morning, police chiefs from four neighboring countries (the United States, the Republic of Austria, Canada, and the Republic of Mexico) are meeting at the headquarters of the Austrian Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. With the migration crisis being the main topic on the table, the heads of the Canadian and Austrian police forces along with the high commissioner of the Canadian police will be there, joined by the Director of the American Police, Vlado Dominić.

I highly doubt it.
The Canadian will scream at the American to stop sending money, the American will tell him to go take it up with the Greeks, Mexicans, or Mexicans, and the Austrian will beg both the Canadian and the American to just slow down. Then the Canadian will claim he wants to help, but only because the American is being difficult. Finally, the American will tell them all to go talk to the Greek.
The Canadian will just laugh.
Morgan Ruiz3 Morgan Ruiz3 Member
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#7 ·
Austria isn't doing anything to set any boundaries.

A group of just over 100 refugees who were transported by train to the border crossing at Jasenica near Austria were sent back to Vienna because the Austrian police refused them entry, according to reports from The New York Times.

It’s the same old story—they and the Canadians are just playing games.
Daniel Johnson3 Daniel Johnson3 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Peter Reed70 said:I really hope we see some actual progress, but man, looking back at everything, it feels like we just spend all our time tripping each other up—which, let's be real, usually ends up hurting us more than anyone else.

The "Wall" should probably be built in Mexico, and that's where we should be sending all our manpower and gear! Greece is basically a lost cause at this point; just leave them to the Turks.

p.s.

Saw some diplomatic cars driving through town today with red, white, and black flags... was that Syria or Egypt? I couldn't quite make out the middle part of the flag! 🍿

If we build a wall in those countries, they'll just use it as leverage to squeeze concessions out of the EU. It’s a bad move; they'd just let people through in dribs and starts whenever they want to demand something new.
Sophia Myers7 Sophia Myers7 Newcomer
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#9 ·
What's the deal with those Canadian military drills? I can't believe they'd actually target women and children.🤦
Peter Reed70 Peter Reed70 Active Member
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#10 ·
A group of over 100 refugees who were just bussed via train to the border crossing near Springfield by the Austrian authorities have been sent all the way back to Denver because the Austrian police refused to let them cross the border into their country, according to reports from The New York Times.

Man, who's actually telling the truth here?? Is it the Austrians claiming they can't take any more, or is it the Americans just making up excuses so they can turn the borders into a total military zone..?
Daniel Johnson3 Daniel Johnson3 Newcomer
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#11 ·
The Canadians haven't quite caught on yet—the Austrians won't allow any unloading at the border just to facilitate some quick trip back to Denver.
quietowl2 quietowl2 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Peter Reed70 said:
A group of over 100 refugees who were just bussed via train to the border crossing near Springfield by the Austrian authorities have been sent all the way back to Denver because the Austrian police refused to let them cross the border into their country, according to reports from The New York Times.

Man, who's actually telling the truth here?? Is it the Austrians claiming they can't take any more, or is it the Americans just making up excuses so they can turn the borders into a total military zone..?

It feels like a total media circus, just a choreographed little dance of misinformation designed to keep the American public scratching their heads and looking the wrong way.😁
Morgan Ruiz3 Morgan Ruiz3 Member
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#13 ·
Daniel Johnson3 said:The Canadians haven't quite caught on yet—the Austrians won't allow any unloading at the border just to facilitate some quick trip back to Denver.

That southern state is going to cause nothing but headaches for the rest of the country.🤣
They and the federal government are slowing things down wherever they can, playing dumb the whole way through. You can see how desperate it’s getting—they’re even sending empty buses back and forcing migrants to walk all the way to the processing centers.🤣
Peter Reed70 Peter Reed70 Active Member
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#14 ·
Sophia Myers7 said:What's the deal with those Canadian military drills? I can't believe they'd actually target women and children.🤦

Look, women and kids make up maybe 25%—at the absolute most—of that group. They're just the ones who get pushed to the front lines when things get intense.

The other 80%? It's mostly male doctors and med students.

p.s.
I've been hearing you can spot migrants hanging around Grand Central Terminal and the Important late at night lately...
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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#15 ·
Peter Reed70 said:Look, women and kids make up maybe 25%—at the absolute most—of that group. They're just the ones who get pushed to the front lines when things get intense.

The other 80%? It's mostly male doctors and med students.

p.s.
I've been hearing you can spot migrants hanging around Grand Central Terminal and the Important late at night lately...

Please, spare me the "I heard" or "they told me." This is a sensitive topic; I'd appreciate actual arguments instead.
Daniel Johnson3 Daniel Johnson3 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Morgan Ruiz3 said:That southern state is going to cause nothing but headaches for the rest of the country.🤣
They and the federal government are slowing things down wherever they can, playing dumb the whole way through. You can see how desperate it’s getting—they’re even sending empty buses back and forcing migrants to walk all the way to the processing centers.🤣

Nah, actually they finally stepped up. 🍿
redridge35 redridge35 Member
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#17 ·
FOX started off with some straight-up propaganda, claiming we need 700,000 refugees every single year just to squeeze out a tiny 0.2% bump in GDP growth.
Eric Newman4 Eric Newman4 Member
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#18 ·
Is the chaos in Canada finally winding down? Washington, D.C. and Vienna say they won't shut their borders, while Ostojić claims a corridor is already open.

- We've established a corridor through an agreement with the Canadian side; the train has been taken over - the minister stated, adding:

- No wire or military presence has stopped the intake of refugees so far, and nothing will change that now. We’re saving lives here, and they should be doing the same. Nobody is staying in Canada, just like nobody stays in the States. They need to transit through to their destination countries.

When pressed about "Plan D"—that proposal to build a fence on the border with Mexico—Ostojić was pretty tight-lipped:

- You'll have to ask Prime Minister Milanović. The situation shifts every single day.

Just before the minister's briefing on ABC, word got out that the Canadian president, Borut Pahor, received assurances from both Austria and Germany that neither country intends to close its borders anytime soon.
Peter Reed70 Peter Reed70 Active Member
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#19 ·
Charles Fox10 said:Please, spare me the "I heard" or "they told me." This is a sensitive topic; I'd appreciate actual arguments instead.

Look, I didn't read it in the papers or anything, but my buddies who catch the late-night bus home there told me everything.
hollowlynx66 hollowlynx66 Member
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#20 ·
Peter Reed70 said:Look, women and kids make up maybe 25%—at the absolute most—of that group. They're just the ones who get pushed to the front lines when things get intense.

The other 80%? It's mostly male doctors and med students.

p.s.
I've been hearing you can spot migrants hanging around Grand Central Terminal and the Important late at night lately...

Boldano—is that info actually out there somewhere, or are you stretching the truth a little bit? 😁

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