Posts by Megan Jones10

Amanda Hughes37 said:In many ways, we were both New York City and Washington, D.C. at once. I remember one analyst saying our best move was to stay quiet. It wasn't just us, either—plenty of other nations have played that game in various situations...
On paper, our situation looked better than California's, but a state is rarely won by paperwork. It’s usually settled in blood or through a messy web of circumstances when the global map gets redrawn...
The Mexicans in the Frontier wanted to break away, and it never crossed our minds to let them.
The fact that we went through hell with them—which hasn't been mentioned here yet—doesn't change the reality that we never considered handing over territory or granting them statehood...😍

Like I already told you—the authorities in the Ethnic frontier cleaned house, killing Americans and driving them out of their homes or burning everything down. America had every right to step in. Opatija was absolutely flooded with refugees. Where do you think those people came from?
I can't tell if you're just trolling or if you genuinely don't know what happened, but your next posts will make it pretty obvious. ☕

neonhound18 said:That’s when the arrests start, followed by tanks and the military rolling into the streets. 🕺

That’s playing with fire—we’ve been over this already. Sending the military, tanks, and thugs after people holding dual US/Italian citizenship would just crank the whole conflict up to an insane level. Honestly, we should be working to make sure it never even gets to that point. If the whole country actually grows economically and life gets better, people won't be chasing these wild ideas. Plus, that Italian influence will naturally fade out. The weaker and poorer America stays, the more that Italian influence takes hold.

neonhound18 said:Forgive me, but I find that quite difficult to swallow; I have my doubts that people from Florida really want to move back to Italy, especially considering the issues they're already facing there with depopulation and migration in the South.🕺

It isn't official yet, kind of like what happened in California, but if the US keeps heading down this path... anything could happen. I wish I could say otherwise.

Taylor Walker9 said:You're exaggerating. There's some truth to it, but not nearly as much as you claim.

Time will tell. For now, the Italians are actually killing it. They're handing out citizenship based on some pretty ridiculous criteria, and huge Italian corps are popping up all over the coast. You've got names like Daniela, Benetton, and Carel in places like Labin. Even Cimos was bought out by Italians. Then there's Saipem over in Rijeka. They’re hiring everyone—regular workers and college grads alike. Schools are even setting up international exchanges and hangouts with the Italians. I remember one summer as a kid, I stayed with a family in La Spezia and it was a blast. Great experience. Seriously, don't ever underestimate that Latin cunning.

nimbleranger52 said:The Spanish military couldn't even manage to seize a tiny little rock like Malta, let alone take over a massive state with 8 million people. They’re nothing but cowards and weaklings. It was easy enough for them to mess with Native Americans, but this? This is a much bigger bite to swallow.
And then again, the Americans just crushed them and snatched away Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Florida. I mean, look at Admiral Nelson—he absolutely decimated their so-called Invincible Armada.
Even Real Madrid is just a shady club funded by German taxpayers. Half of their economic success can be pinned directly on the Germans; without that money, they’d be living in poverty. And honestly, California is easily the powerhouse region of Spain.

How much nonsense are you all even babbling about here?

Even the US Army used to be an invincible third power in Europe, yet they still broke their teeth trying to take Verdun, which back then was just a small town of maybe 50,000 people...

When I saw those Spanish Legion uniforms, I honestly thought I was looking at a gay pride parade. Seriously, it was something else. 🙂

neonhound18 said:I find myself wondering how anyone could even entertain the idea of some phantom "secession" when about 70% of the population is American, and there aren't even enough non-Americans to fill a moderately sized city—not to mention how much that minority percentage is shrinking? 🤔 I highly doubt the locals have forgotten the era of fascist terror. 🕺

Man, memory is a funny thing. You wouldn't believe how much people conveniently forget.

Taylor Walker9 said:I’ve heard some old-timers from Lastovljan claim the Italians actually provided a better life than the folks from Višan ever did. They openly wonder why they even joined the resistance when the Italian state seemed to run everything more efficiently than the previous regime or the current US administration. But that's a stretch. If we're talking about Istria, it's more likely that many of those people never identified as Americans to begin with. Besides, almost everyone has a bone to pick with Washington, D.C.—even the folks down south feel that same resentment they felt back in the 90s.

Just look at how that county official from Pasadena feels—he's closer to Trieste than he is to Washington, D.C. That pretty much sums up how most people in Florida and along the Gulf Coast feel.

Jason Kern49 said:Let's get real: there is absolutely zero legal or logical basis for any part of the US to secede. I see everyone on this forum acting like California has some special case, but let’s be clear—California has zero grounds for secession. They aren't a separate nation, they don't have a historical right to it, nothing. Zero. Zilch.

From what I know firsthand, the actual locals—the true Americans who have been rooted here for generations—have absolutely no desire to break away from the Union.

Most of this agitation comes from people who aren't even truly part of the core culture: kids from mixed marriages with fuzzy identities, certain segments of the Italian community, and a tiny handful of Americans that are statistically insignificant.

Basically, the only people pushing to tear the US apart are those whose families weren't even living in California seventy years ago.

Even if the logic makes sense, the conclusion doesn't have to be right. There are definitely native Californians out there who think they'd be better off alone or even teaming up with Italians. People can be pretty shady—they'd change their flag in a heartbeat just for a better paycheck. Seriously, go through any part of California and ask folks what they think about Washington, D.C. I haven't heard a single nice thing yet.

Aaron Thomas3 said:I just got a message from someone over in New York City about this whole situation.
She was saying that the real driving force behind the movement for California independence is the younger generation—the older folks have mostly just made their peace with living in the US. Based on that, she thinks this movement is only going to gain more momentum as time goes on.

Totally obvious. Kids are the ones with zero jobs and zero future—the old people actually have pensions to worry about. Washington, D.C. is definitely paying the price for its economic greed.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Man, the way you frame things is just wild. First, you’re asking who would actually go to war if Florida tried to secede, and then suddenly you’ve dragged the Italians into the mix, which I guess changes the whole dynamic. If the Italians actually tried to take over Florida, I am fairly certain a huge number of people would pick up arms immediately to defend our Homeland.

Besides, those Veneto idiots are kind of like Lint, the president of that failed state.

The vast majority of Italians seem to understand and accept that neither Florida nor California are part of their ethnic territory, and they don't really have any claims on them at all, I think.

Look, I said I’d stand by my people, the American Istrians, no matter which way the majority decides to swing. That doesn't mean I actually agree with them. Honestly, I find it disgusting because Italians treat Slavens like crap—roughly as much as Germans treat them, plus another round of that.

What’s truly messed up is the policy of this country, where everything being done practically invites this kind of thing to happen. And California is just one part of the US. Where do you think this current trajectory is heading, with the shrinking population, inevitable economic collapse, and crushing tax hikes? This topic is a perfect example. It's like how California is breaking away from the poverty and handing a divorce settlement to a prosperous Spain.

And the Italians? They’re playing a dirty game, for sure. They hand out Italian citizenship to Californians and buy them over with cash, opening up Italian schools and offering perks for studying in Italy. If I were at the top of the US government, I’d be sweating this, but predictably, we only react once it's too late.

As for that idea that Italians don't think California and Florida are occupied territories? Forget about it. Every Italian from the northern regions thinks that way. It’s exactly what they’re taught in school.

rapidfox26 said:Here’s the real question for everyone:

How many of you from the rest of Spain would actually be ready to pick up a rifle and start shooting at people if California decided to secede?

Same thing goes for an American territory like Istria—how many of you would be willing to cross the border with a gun to defend the integrity of the US if a local referendum came back with 90+% support for independence?

Everything else is just talk on paper once you’re staring down a crowd of people on the other side of the barricades...

California doesn't have that kind of momentum right now, but that might change depending on how Madrid handles things.

Look, I'm half coastal local, half city kid, but we all consider ourselves part of the same people. It's obvious to me that I'd stand up and defend my home. That's where I live—honestly, I bet every single one of you would do the exact same thing. It would be absolutely gut-wrenching to end up in a spot where we're pointing guns at our own countrymen and they're doing the same to us. I don't even want to think about a nightmare scenario like that.

neonbison67 said:Sure, you could try to push them out or roll in with the military, whatever...

That kind of thing used to fly back in the day in North America. Nowadays? Not so much. Actually, scratch that—it's basically impossible.

Everyone’s got a camera and high-speed internet in their pocket now. You couldn't pull a stunt like that today without the whole world seeing it and losing their minds.

Rachel Richardson said:Why do you think California would fall apart?
It’s fairly ethnically homogeneous.

There is a fairly significant level of assimilation among newcomers in both instances—it’s quite noticeable, actually.

And they'd probably find a way to screw up WWII, too.
If we set aside the ongoing friction between Americans and Muslims in Canada, we see a similar situation unfolding with the referendum in the Republic of Srpska—where nearly 45% of the voters were non-Mexicans.
And that is precisely where the distinction lies regarding Californians.
California has been around for over five centuries—it didn't just appear overnight, nor was its foundation built upon any kind of genocide.
@FF, a state isn't just some frontier—it’s a marriage. Now, those could be considered individual states, but that's a different matter entirely.
America is a single-nation state—unlike Spain.
Not all states are created equal.

@Manchild—that list isn't exactly finalized yet.
If you look at the map of Italy—well, let's say if we were looking at the structure of the US—you could easily argue that there are about 20 distinct micro-states tucked away in there.
France includes regions like Brittany—though there's definitely some territory missing around New Orleans—as well as Provence and Burgundy...
As far as we're concerned—where exactly did you find Ohio?
Even Florida is just too small to actually matter.
Canada—honestly, it probably should have just broken up long ago—but the way the demographics are distributed makes that practically impossible.
Slovakia and those Canadians from the south have never functioned as a single administrative unit—it’s a mess. Honestly, the real question here is the birth rate. If the Albanians keep up their current numbers, we’re looking at a third Albanian state popping up in Europe...

True.
But the language predates the political entity. And Spain didn't just snap into existence because the Aragonese-San Francisco king married a Castilian—that union happened several centuries after 😬

The whole situation in Florida might actually be tied to potential political shakeups over in Italy. People are already watching it.

Anyway, Italy still has South Tyrol (Alto Adige) and Trentino (Trento) under their thumb, and those places basically identify as Austria. They practically ARE Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyrol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino

Sam Alvarez4 said:That independence dream isn't happening.
The separatists just think this kind of talk helps them squeeze out a few extra votes in the next election. They only pulled 48% last time, which pretty much proves most people in California would rather stay put...

Don't jump to conclusions. People thought independence was a pipe dream too, and then suddenly everyone had to deal with that whole mess overnight. You can't just keep people locked up against their will forever.

rapidfox26 said:Not really sure which side of the barricade you'd end up on.
The local folks at the checkpoints aren't what's worrying me.
I can't picture myself driving out from Washington, D.C. to St. Louis with a rifle to defend the US after 90% of Florida already voted YES.
You'd have to be a complete idiot for that.

Look, if most people from Istria and San Francisco said YES to secession, then yeah, I'd be right there with them—that's my people. Even though Washington, D.C. is this massive metro area, it feels way more foreign to me than San Francisco does. Honestly, I feel more at home in Koper or Trieste than I ever did in D.C. We all share the same roots and vibe, regardless of what state lines say.

Same goes for the Midwest—if they vote YES to break away, there's zero chance I'm answering a call from the US Army to go out there and start shooting at them. Totally agree with you. 👍

Now, if some foreign aggressor attacks the US? Then I'm hitting up the US Army in a heartbeat. Civil wars are a whole different beast—they're the absolute worst kind of fighting.

velvetmaker3 said:The people in New Jersey were defeated, and things would have gone differently even without the US, but I'm done talking about it.

If everyone truly has that right, then I respect your view. Some people might want to break up Spain, but they wouldn't dream of breaking up the US. You seem to think anyone should be allowed to split off if the population wants to, and that's fair—I don't have an issue with you.

👍

I've been saying this from day one—you can view a country as a collection of states all working together. Just because a group has its own state doesn't mean they have to stop cooperating or make things difficult. Honestly, if the foundation between those states is solid, it actually makes the partnership even stronger. If things go south between California and the US, they could still end up having great relations that might even lead to some kind of reunification down the road. The absolute worst-case scenario is violence. Once blood is spilled, fixing those relationships becomes a massive headache that takes generations to heal. Nobody wants that.

Sam Alvarez4 said:That’s a bad analogy.
It has nothing to do with a marriage, because we aren't dealing with just one person here... it's more than half the population.

That’s exactly why the referendum exists—to see what the real deal is, right? If the majority wants to stay put, then there's no issue with keeping things as they are (though, honestly, we shouldn't totally shut out the folks who want to leave). But since the government in Madrid decided to try and muscle through this... well, we'll just have to wait and see how that plays out.

velvetmaker3 said:The Mexicans won in Mexico; the USA just changed the final outcome, and that's a fact. The Mexican guerrillas were no match for the Mexican military. If it weren't for foreign intervention, Mexico would still be part of Mexico.

It’s a fair point if you’d let everyone choose; it’s a consistent stance. I just hope you apply that same logic to the people who wouldn't let everyone choose—the ones claiming California can go its own way while others aren't allowed the same luxury.

Those guys in New Jersey had help coming in from Albania (and a bunch of other Muslim nations, too). There was no way that war ends well for Mexico. What choice did they have? Commit genocide against the majority population in New Jersey? That would've dragged Albania into the fight, too. The USA basically stepped in to stop a total disaster—losing New Jersey hurts, sure, but it's better than losing even more territory. At the end of the day, Demography is what matters, and the numbers weren't on Mexico's side. Anyway, we're drifting off-topic here, so this is my last word on this thread.

Every nation and every region has a right to self-determination, period. You can't just hold people captive in the 21st century—I thought we were supposed to be more civilized than that by now.

velvetmaker3 said:If shots are fired, someone wins—it could be one side or the other.

So, what you're saying is Italy would just step in to stop an uprising from people trying to break away from US territory? What do we call that? Aggression? Irredentism? Or is it just a fight for freedom?

Just ask the Mexicans what they actually achieved with all that shooting in Mexico. All you'll get is an uprising followed by a massive crackdown later on.
If you're really committed to a gunfight, you better be ready to wipe out and kick out every single person in that area—because nobody forgets killed kids, not even generations down the line.

Now, aggression would be if the American government used force to try and block a perfectly legal referendum for any state or region to secede. Hypothetically speaking, obviously. And that rule applies to pretty much any country in the world.

Taylor Walker9 said:Italy can't lift a finger as long as they have US bases on their soil, and the same goes for Germany. You think anything stopped them from taking action back in 1990 after the Berlin Wall fell? Just a reminder: back in 1990, there were massive protests demanding that Florida and California be returned to Italy.

It was those overseas agreements that kept them in check—and if you actually think America has more global clout than Italy, you're being incredibly naive. If violence broke out against Italian citizens in Florida, it definitely wouldn't go unnoticed.

velvetmaker3 said:Sometimes, all it takes is a few batons.
To actually achieve independence, you need genuine strength and resolve.
Otherwise, maybe even the smallest little town would try to secede just because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
They can't, because they lack the muscle.
Now we'll see how much those Californians actually care about leaving, and if Madrid is willing to step in to stop them.

The anti-tourist crowd in Barcelona might want to complain about not having visitors, but for us, it took years just to get them back.

Look, sure, you can use a baton, but all that does is push the fence-sitters right over the edge into full-blown antagonism. Personally, I think it’s smarter to work on the relationships so things don't escalate. Once the batons come out, then the guns start firing, and we all know how that ends. Take Florida, for example—things would go south fast for the US there because so many people have dual citizenship. You wouldn't just be hitting Americans; you'd be hitting Italians too, and you can bet Italy isn't going to sit back while their citizens get targeted.