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bluebison25 said:Atheism, in its broadest sense, is simply the disbelief or denial of the existence of gods.
Look, buddy, as the most hardcore atheist on this entire forum, I HONESTLY BELIEVE in my heart that I’ll actually brush my teeth before bed tonight. So now, you try telling me I believe in your Allah
bluebison25 said:Fine, let me translate that for you—though honestly, you should probably just pick up a language primer instead of obsessing over the Bible: "I could also say that I am deeply religious at heart, though not in any orthodox sense (meaning, I refuse to be pigeonholed into a specific faith just because you're trying to force it on me). I allow myself the luxury of believing that the greatest mysteries of our existence haven't been solved yet, and that despite all the sensory evidence and scientific teachings out there, death itself doesn't necessarily have to be the end of the beautiful metamorphosis we are witnessing."
Anthony Perez9 said:👍
Thanks for clearing up that quote. Even Dawkins calls himself "religious," arguing that scientists and inventors are often deeply devoted to their craft, sacrificing everything for the sake of humanity—which is a far cry from those fake saints or holy rollers.😂
Summary: Tesla is speaking to the IEEE about his life and work.SPEECH ON BEHALF OF THE Edison Medal
A speech delivered before the IEEE,
May 18, 1917.
"On this occasion, you might want me to say something of a personal and more intimate character bearing on my work. One of the speakers suggested: "Tell us something about yourself, about your early struggles." If I am not mistaken in this surmise I will, with your approval, dwell briefly on this rather delicate subject. I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of belleving that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness. In this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind, to make myself proof against adversity, and to achieve contentment and happiness to a point of extracting some satisfaction even from the darker side of life, the trials and tribulations of existence. I have fame and untold wealth, more than all this, and yet - how many articles have been written in which I was declared to be an impractical unsuccesful man, and how many poor, struggling writers, have called me a visionary. Such is the folly and shortsightedness of the world!"
bluebison25 said:"I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of believing that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness."
The unclear part is that you didn't even quote the full sentence.🙂
Anthony Perez9 said:Yeah, right. People over there try to claim him as their own, just like they do with anyone else who isn't actually from there or hasn't even set foot in the country. Just another nationalistic myth in a long line of them.
Of course he was an world-class inventor (atheist), someone who couldn't have cared less about nationality or local border disputes. I mean, didn't his passport clearly state he was from the old territory?
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Anyway, back to the topic:
Why did you dodge the whole part about creationism, conspiracy theories, Masonic plots, and all those other superstitions that theists love so much? Isn't it true that God gives them a little extra insight and grants them some kind of knowledge "that us atheists just can't grasp"?
I was using you as the prime example of one of those "bros."😉
restlesstiger49 said:At the end of the day, the whole thing comes down to autosuggestion...☕
hiddenbear3 said:To be more precise, I think it's more accurate to view Cronus as time itself, or rather, that constant motion and progression that inevitably leads to the end of everything in motion...
That's why there is that old saying about time devouring its own children—referring to anything with a physical presence—but when you take it too literally, you end up with this image of some cruel, child-eating deity...
electricdriver33 said:Is it just me, or is everyone else missing how much The Unknown is totally trolling enlightened Jeff and the whole idea of enlightenment itself... 😕
If nothing else, that opening post he made to start this thread was actually being pretty mild. 😍 😂
Lisa Morales4 said:Zachary Gonzalez8, those points you brought up about him show such a profound grasp of spirituality (and theology)!
Faith isn't the same thing as religion.
Honestly, his thoughts were just racing through the cosmos at the speed of light.
Imagine if they could suddenly zip off into those deep reaches where time doesn't even exist, only to snap back here to Earth—a whole century would have passed right under our feet.
Gregory Jackson said:The biblical fall, according to the spiritual energy insights shared by Ljubisa Stojanovic in his July 10th, 2009, post.
So, if you think about it, human civilization is basically at the bottom rung when you look at all the highly advanced civilizations out there in the universe. I guess the whole thing boils down to the fact that arrogance—you know, that massive ego trip—is one of those fundamental traits of humans, but also, well, one of our biggest flaws. It was actually this sense of overstepping that got humanity kicked out of paradise, mostly because people started acting like they could just step in and replace the creator. It’s like this prehistoric negative streak that just wouldn't go away, couldn't be blocked or neutralized, even back when humans were hitting their absolute peak in the second dimension, living in paradise, reaching those levels of development that you only see in the most advanced cosmic civilizations.
Now, what exactly causes this specific brand of arrogance in the human psyche, or in the way we process things? Well, way before human civilization ever managed to level up to the second dimension, people were living in the sixth dimension—just a super peaceful, polite, and pleasant existence, without any real friction or drama. But then, among a small group of people—it was almost like a single family or a tight-knit group of relatives—this streak of arrogance started developing, which wasn't really a thing before. It was kind of like one of those weird deviations you see in nature sometimes. This group managed to stand out so much from their modest, easygoing neighbors within just the first generation that they actually grabbed some high-ranking positions. Over the next few generations, they became the most famous family in the entire human civilization. They were arrogant and driven, and they definitely made their mark, having real results to show for it. So, they weren't just empty suits, but they were incredibly cocky, which, I suppose, wasn't ever really a standard trait for the human race. As time went on, generation after generation, they grew more powerful, taking over top spots in politics, business, and everything else. You have to admit, though, that their self-confidence—that intense belief in themselves and what they were doing—actually helped push human civilization forward into the fifth and then the fourth dimension. After a few thousand years, this arrogance basically became synonymous with being human, and since they were the leading figures in the land, they actually managed to spin their biggest flaw as a supreme virtue that fueled the climb toward higher dimensions.
Of course, that wasn't the only reason, but it was definitely one of the big ones. By the time humans evolved into the third dimension, this flaw had basically morphed into a sort of strength. People viewed it as an exceptional quality; they thought it was an advantage, and the more someone possessed it, the more capable and influential they seemed, making them natural leaders. And finally, once we entered the second dimension, paradise, because everyone was so perfectly in sync with the will of the creator, this human flaw was smoothed over—it became more like a bit of charm or clever rhetoric rather than a heavy, real-world characteristic.
But, maybe two thousand years before the whole exit from paradise happened, this small subgroup of people—the ones where this arrogance was especially intense—started thinking about acting entirely on their own in the universe. They honestly felt like they had matured enough to do something independently, separate from the creator or anyone else for that matter. They actually held immense power, but their fatal mistake ended up causing a total catastrophe for the entire human community. Since people lived such long lives in paradise (anywhere from 500 to 1,000 years, I think), they managed to build a core group over just a few generations that was incredibly compact and powerful. Their goal was to create a separate universe of their own, one where they wouldn't just create certain energies, but would actually direct them toward goals they had mapped out themselves.
The creator, seeing their initial moves, didn't react right away, maybe thinking they would just grow out of it or hoping they would find their way back, and he was ready to forgive them. But as they kept ramping up their operations, the creator eventually stepped in directly to warn them, pleading with them to stop and not do the things that were forbidden. Within that group, a smaller portion actually listened to the creator's advice and pulled away from the rest, though probably with a fair amount of regret. They backed off, even if they weren't totally convinced it was the right move; they just didn't have the guts to keep going. The remaining part of the group, which made up only a tiny percentage of the total population on earth, just kept right on with their plans, completely ignoring whatever the creator had said.
They basically tried to justify their whole process by claiming it was part of the universe's evolution, you know? Like, they argued it aligned perfectly with how the cosmos develops, and that having just one central hub in the universe wasn't enough—that we needed multiple centers to get more diverse and, I guess, better results. They were just so incredibly self-assured, almost to the point of being totally arrogant, believing that what they were building would actually outperform the way the universe functions as designed by the creator.
As that particular generation of people started winding down, the creator just couldn't wait any longer, and he wasn't about to keep pleading with them, so he just gave them a straight warning: "Stop doing work that goes against my will." Only a tiny, tiny fraction of the people involved in this project actually listened to his most serious warning, though. Everyone else just kept right on going, completely ignoring the creator. It was clear to him that he couldn't just separate this group from the rest of humanity or isolate them somehow, because that streak of arrogance was, more or less, baked into the genetic makeup of all humans. So, he decided that the best move was to drop human civilization—the whole human race, really—down to the lowest possible level, into the 13th dimension. In that dimension, nothing much can happen, mostly because they wouldn't have any significant paranormal powers there, but it also gives them a chance to slowly progress through suffering, sacrifice, and hardship until they can eventually make it back to where they once belonged, in paradise. He’d include one little genetic tweak along the way to almost entirely wipe out that arrogant trait, so it wouldn't show up anymore and wouldn't be such a major factor in how people act.
Benjamin Taylor6 said:If you've got the energy, go check out my comment on the previous page.
Benjamin Taylor6 said:Look, I didn't crucify Him. None of my friends did. He was crucified by the Jewish authorities because His teachings didn't fit within their established worldview. It's similar to how the Inquisition burned Giordano Bruno—power protecting its own status quo. Honestly, though, I find that yoga philosophy offers a much more coherent explanation regarding redemption. This whole concept of Original Sin is completely paradoxical. You should go back and re-read my previous post.