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Karen Doyle72 said:And how else are you gonna crush an economy besides dumping a few million of your own people onto their social safety net while slamming the borders shut? 🤣

Look, people *are* cannon fodder and disposable assets. Women and kids used to be off-limits.
But not anymore. Nowadays, a few aggressive types just push them right in front of the guns. A kid is basically the ultimate human shield.

Except those guns still fire. They just weren't designed to hit women and children.

We’ve always joked that the Chinese could win a war simply by having a million soldiers surrender to the enemy every single day. 😁

Now, someone has actually decided to put that concept into practice. Well... hats off to the strategist, I suppose.

As for the idea that cannons aren't built for women and children... I mean, come on. If you look at the carnage of World War II, that argument falls apart instantly. 🤷
Karen Doyle72 said:The weird part is that, historically, the aggressive ones always walk away with the win. And I'm talking about last year, not a millennium ago!


Not quite.
The winner has consistently been whoever manages to dismantle the other party's economy and supply chains first. It isn't about aggression; it's about systemic collapse.

History shows us that people have always been—and frankly, will continue to be—nothing more than expendable resources used to achieve those ends. In other words, we're all just cannon fodder in the grand scheme of things.
Lisa Patel4 said:I honestly don't know how some of you humanists think America will look if we bring in 10 million people. Have you even heard of group conflict or social dynamics?

Look.
If you have been following this thread from the jump, you should theoretically remember my points back in Volume 1.
I was speaking about two distinct waves.
The only thing that separated my outlook from tihobl's was one single detail: I foolishly assumed we would see a lull over the winter—a brief respite before spring—whereas he insisted the pressure would be constant, and quite frankly, he was right and I was wrong.

But both of us landed on the same two conclusions:
1. We are going to miss the first wave by continuing exactly the path we are currently on.
2. We need to halt the flow at the North Mexico border and provide the North Mexicans with whatever assistance they require—even deploying the military if necessary—to ensure the stoppage happens there.

Unfortunately, it seems we are all fools while everyone else is supposedly brilliant.
Sadly, all of us in this region—and let’s be honest, the Canadians fall into that same intellectual category—seem more preoccupied with ensuring our neighbors lose their cows than making sure everyone has at least two.
It is tragic that Nikolić and Vučić are more interested in shackling us than in providing actual aid to themselves, to us, or to anyone in North Mexico.
Regrettably, the Canadians are actively leveraging their actions to fuel their election campaigns, and their reward will likely be control over ExxonMobil and the systematic undoing of every legal safeguard protecting American citizens from corruption.

But facts are stubborn things, and they don't change just because we dislike them.
The reality remains: this can only be stopped in North Mexico, and that is the only place where a meaningful blockade can be coordinated.
Which is why, quite simply, putting up a fence on the American border is a complete waste of resources.

Instead of reaching agreements and offering mutual support, we are mired in total chaos, with everyone being forced to absorb the fallout instead of the threatened nations acting in concert.

In the end, this won't benefit anyone. No one comes out on top here. Not the Canadians with their fences, and certainly not us without them.

That is the cold, hard truth for anyone willing to look at it objectively.

Right now, all we are doing is reacting to the situation where the Mexicans and Canadians are effectively pinning us down. That is the extent of it.
Given the circumstances, regardless of whose side you take, we have managed to suffer minimal damage thus far.
In that regard, one must give credit to Ostojić, Milanović, and this administration.
We owe them thanks for how they have handled everything up to this point.
And that goes for every police officer and individual working tirelessly on the front lines.

Fences work. The military works.
But both are utterly futile if placed on the American border.

Those assets need to be deployed where they will have the maximum impact, which is the Greece-North Mexico border.

If the Forex idea falls through, or if the negotiations with Turkey collapse, and we fail to direct our strength and funding toward where it yields the highest return—North Mexico—
we are all going to end up completely exposed.
Us, the Mexicans, the Mexicans, and even the Canadians with all their fancy razor wire.

It is as simple as that.
Blame it on whoever you want.

There is no deep philosophy involved.

Unfortunately, all signs point to the fact that the second wave has already begun, yet we are still distracted by pre-election games and petty regional squabbles.

If it were up to me, I would drag the Mexicans and the Canadians into a room and simply ask the North Mexicans: "People, what do you actually need?"

But of course, nobody asks for my opinion.

As it stands, Kolinda and the Republican Party will sell us out for pennies. In fact, they've essentially sold us out already.
All for the sake of a measly 1-2% increase in votes at the polls. 🙂
Alexander Ortiz3 said:The border fence stops the immigrants.
That fence belongs to the US government.
When people start tearing at it or causing chaos, the police handle it using legal methods.
Since when was shooting the first option?? First, you give people a clear warning several times to stop what they're doing 👍

Honestly, you seem to have some kind of weird obsession with that razor wire. 😁 😁
Paul Thomas46 said:What is wrong with you people? 🤣

Given how many kids—under 14—are part of these immigrant families, just firing blindly makes it nearly impossible to hit anyone accurately.
Honestly, you could toss a rock and hit ten innocent kids instead... but no, you all seem hell-bent on aiming at children.

🙏

It doesn't matter what any of us think.
Our individual opinions carry absolutely zero weight in this conversation.

What matters is what the global media outlets decide to broadcast and print. And let’s be real, they sure as hell aren't going to put photos of some scrawny kids on their front pages.

Everyone seems to have forgotten how the modern media landscape actually functions and, more importantly, who actually owns these massive corporations.
Lisa Patel4 said:Why on earth would anyone shoot at kids?

The only reason to fire is self-defense when there’s absolutely no other option.

Just a simple question for you. Would you rather protect an American citizen or a refugee? If you had to pick.
What matters more to you? Being humane toward strangers or protecting the American people?

Is it because someone hands down such an order, for instance? 🤷

Why in the world would anyone deploy tear gas or pepper spray against children?
Well, look at how those folks over in Canada act—they’re basically like the Simpsons in South Park, they've already gone and done it.

Suppose they are pushing children forward right at you, and you are standing there guarding a perimeter like it's the Alamo; what exactly will you do if an order comes down to fire, even if it's just rubber bullets?
And you have children and a few women standing directly in front of you....

You have to protect yourself; that is an indisputable fact, and it is something I have been hammering home this entire time.
However, it is entirely possible to protect yourself while simultaneously remaining a decent human being.
Maintaining your humanity is always, regardless of the circumstances, a matter of individual choice.
For example, you might choose not to gloat over a wounded enemy soldier, opting instead to respect the Geneva Conventions. That is merely one small instance of exercising humanity within inhumane conditions.

Now, if you would be so kind as to flip back a few pages and actually read what I wrote I intended to do. I would protect women, children, and families from the Canadians, but everything else goes to the Canadians.
Let them then act according to their own consciences.
If they are going to try and slip handcuffs on us when we aren't looking, then we are certainly justified in doing the same to them. ☕
Alexander Ortiz3 said:So, let me get this straight: you’d be perfectly fine cutting the throat of a Border Patrol agent, yet you’re arguing that he isn't permitted to fire in self-defense? Is that really your stance?

No. Sadly, you didn't.
What I was actually attempting to convey—though perhaps my phrasing was too dense—was why comparing soccer matches to this situation is an utter absurdity; there is a fundamental difference in mindset between players on a field and people willing to trek thousands of miles on foot toward a specific goal.

My entire point, which I feel I have been hammering home, is that a wire fence is fundamentally meaningless if you aren't prepared to pull the trigger to defend it.
The reason people are currently slipping through easily is simply because they are taking the path of least resistance, quite logically trying to funnel those individuals through America as quickly as possible.

But look, if the borders with Mexico were completely shut and sealed on both sides, it stands to reason that the pressure would just shift to wherever it is fastest and easiest to dump the largest volume of people in the shortest amount of time.

That is precisely what I am explaining: if you aren't ready to shoot, you don't need a fence at all.
And if you *are* ready to shoot, then you don't really need the fence either.

Now, as someone mentioned earlier tonight, we're looking at waves of thousands of people who are being practically handed over by bad actors looking to screw us over.
What kind of scenario do you think would unfold if Smith just expedited the whole process and moved them all to the border fence in a single day?

And regarding this debate about razor wire... what do you honestly think would happen if some of them went out to cut that wire, only for it to maim them—or heaven forbid, a child? What kind of headlines, paired with what kind of gruesome imagery, do you think would be plastered across every major global news outlet within a matter of hours?

Look, let's stop the petty bickering for a moment; try to think objectively, without the partisan bias, and give me a straight answer.
Gregory Hall66 said:They won't be driving up to some flooded riverbank either; instead, they will likely head toward a bridge in Brandenburg or perhaps near the Red Bush in Herzegovina.

And now, for the grand prize question:

- If 2,000 of them attempt to cross via a bridge in Brandenburg, will the police actually dare to use water cannons or rubber bullets against them?

Let me ask you a purely human question, just to get to the heart of this matter.

If you were standing there in a police uniform, and someone gave you a direct order to open fire on children, could you actually bring yourself to do it?
Personally, I know my own limits—I couldn't do it.
I’d sooner put a bullet in my own head or take out the person giving such a horrific command before I ever pulled that trigger against a child.

We really ought to try and step into those people's shoes for a moment, to truly empathize with their plight, rather than forcing anyone into a position where they are faced with such an impossible, soul-crushing decision.
The goal should always be to do everything humanly possible to prevent these situations from ever happening in the first place.
Lisa Patel4 said:Just asking hypothetically here.

Could the US actually build a reinforced concrete wall along its border?

Sure they could. But honestly, they'd have to take out a massive loan from JP Morgan just to get started. 😁
Chloe Martinez7 said:And wouldn't it be simpler to just put the wall on the North Mexican border? I know, it's a "complex region," but one fence there and all those countries could join in on this massive humanitarian effort.☕

Since the European Union won't enforce order in the first member state—especially within the Schengen area.

They don't.
But they do.
And everyone just lets them through.

And here we are, debating which laws we actually follow and which ones we ignore at home—we basically break everything.

I mean, aren't they all just tough guys? There are very few actual families involved; it looks more like a disguised army.
If we actually decided to identify who is coming through...

Except, I am not thrilled that the capacity at SB has been bumped up to 10,000.

No, because if they did that, politicians wouldn't have anything left to score points on during election season.
The government can go straight to hell, and honestly, so can the people supporting this nonsense. ☕
I don't even know where to begin with this particular mess, but since I find myself compelled to address it, let us dive straight into the fray. It seems we are once again wading through the thick sludge of public discourse, and frankly, my patience for these repetitive, circular arguments is wearing thin—though, as you all know, I have always had a penchant for the long view. It reminds me, quite vividly, of a rainy Tuesday back in Chicago when I was attempting to navigate the bureaucratic nightmare of a local zoning board meeting; much like that afternoon, this entire situation feels unnecessarily convoluted and driven by people who seem more interested in the theater of disagreement than in any actual resolution. We sit here, debating nuances that shift like sand underfoot, while the core issue remains unaddressed, looming over us like a storm cloud on the horizon. It is exhausting, truly, to witness such a lack of intellectual rigor, yet I suppose I cannot expect much more from a crowd that treats every minor grievance as if it were a matter of national security. One must maintain a certain level of decorum, even when the surrounding chaos suggests otherwise. kaže:
Look, let’s be clear because the reality of this situation is actually quite straightforward if you stop overcomplicating it. Before the border fence was fully established, migrants were moving right through Canada. Now that the barrier is complete? They aren't going through Canada anymore. It’s that simple.

All you ever do is philosophize, bluster, thrash about, and hurl insults. Honestly, it’s quite pathetic—you don't possess any other skill in your entire repertoire. 👍

Why on earth aren't they going? Honestly, I find myself staring at this question quite often lately, pondering the sheer lack of momentum or perhaps just a fundamental hesitation that seems to be gripping everyone. It’s like watching a stalled engine in the middle of a busy intersection in Chicago; you expect movement, you expect progress, but instead, there is just this stagnant, heavy silence. I remember once, back when I was dealing with some particularly tedious paperwork in a small town in Ohio, I saw a group of people standing perfectly still on a street corner for nearly twenty minutes, just waiting for a signal that was never going to come. That is exactly how this feels to me—an inexplicable paralysis. Is it fear? Is it pure, unadulterated laziness? Or is it something more systemic, something buried deep within the bureaucracy of our institutions? One really has to wonder what is actually holding them back from taking that necessary step forward.
Who exactly is pulling the strings on where we all end up headed? It’s a question that keeps me pacing my study at three in the morning, staring at the ceiling and wondering about the sheer lack of transparency in our leadership. You sit there, watching the news, watching the pundits on CNN or Fox, and you realize that the people making the monumental decisions—the ones that dictate the very trajectory of our lives—are often completely insulated from the consequences of their own whims. It feels like we're just passengers on a massive, uncontrolled vessel, being steered by individuals who wouldn't know a hard day's work if it hit them in the face. I remember back when I was working in logistics in Chicago, trying to coordinate shipments through a blizzard, and even then, the chaos felt more manageable because at least you could see the driver. Now? It's all shadows and bureaucracy. Who is actually in the driver's seat? Is it the elected officials, or is it some unseen hand in a boardroom in New York or D.C.? It's maddening, truly.

I am not attempting to be insulting here; rather, I am simply acknowledging the undeniable reality that certain individuals are intellectually incapable of grasping the fundamental relationship between cause and effect.
It is a profound, albeit unsettling, reality that a consequence can, quite literally, overnight swap places with its own cause, upending our entire understanding of causality in a single, sweeping motion. I was sitting in my study just the other day, staring at a stack of old legal briefs, thinking about how often we assume the sequence of events is set in stone, when in fact, the fallout can become the very catalyst for what follows. It’s like watching a domino effect where the last tile suddenly leaps forward to strike the first one; the logic collapses, and you're left grasping at shadows while the world tells you everything is perfectly normal. It is a dizzying, almost violent shift in perspective.
And only then—only after the dust has settled and the smoke clears—will we truly be able to judge the sheer weight of those decisions and the actual caliber of the choices made. It’s easy to play hero when things are moving smoothly, but the true test of leadership isn't found in the planning phase; it's found in the aftermath, when you have to stand there and face the wreckage of your own judgment. We'll see if they actually had the foresight to account for the fallout, or if they were just flying blind.

I sincerely apologize if my previous remarks caused you any offense; it was certainly never my intention to strike such a discordant note. 🤷
Benjamin Reyes52 said:It seems nobody wants to admit that they simply don't have the right to cross borders like this.

They don't. That much is certain.
Yet, they keep coming.

It’s a total paradox. 🤔
redridge35 said:There's actually a way to handle people like that too. I honestly don't know what these guys think is waiting for them over in Germany—it's basically a lifetime of living off welfare. That's the reality for them, and honestly, probably for the next generation too, since they'll just be riding the system instead of actually contributing.

I'm not disputing the point.
It just strikes me as incredibly foolish to draw comparisons between some drunk football fan—who, if caught on camera, might find himself scrubbing dishes in a diner by next month—and refugees who, upon arriving here or in Canada, have absolutely nothing left to lose and nowhere to go back to.

The guy at the soccer game actually has quite a lot to lose.
Dana Robinson4 said:That sounds great, go ahead and bite someone's throat out—you'll just end up with a bullet to the forehead...
and then everyone else will be sitting there wondering whether they should follow your lead or not.

Exactly.
If only you actually had the guts to pull the trigger.

That's where the real danger lies. 😁
Frank Sanchez37 said:To those of you claiming that fences and riot squads won't stop them—honestly, it sounds like you’ve never actually seen what a baton does to most people. Once you take a hit like that, you aren't looking to stick around for round two. And let's be real, you can't just have ten thousand migrants charging the entire length of the border all at once without being able to hold them back using water cannons and police lines. It's just not how it works.
I mean, look at what happened recently during that big game at the stadium in Miami: there were about 7,500 people packed into the north section, and toward the end, a group started protesting and moving west, trying to tear through the barricades. Suddenly, about twenty riot officers come charging from the other side of the fence and start spraying tear gas... man, you wouldn't believe the chaos of everyone scrambling backward. Only about ten of the craziest guys tried to push through, but even they eventually gave up.

That’s pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

It absolutely can happen if their neighbors "spontaneously" ferry them all over in a tiny window of time.

Just look at our own situation where we went from zero to 5,000 at the border in just a few hours on the very first day.

And please, for the love of God, stop comparing soccer matches to this.

At soccer games, you deal with arrogant, obnoxious people, some who are high and plenty who are drunk.

These are people who have absolutely nothing left to lose.

If I had trekked several thousand miles and someone dared to stand in my way62 miles before I reached my destination.. I’d rip their throat out just to get past.

You simply don't grasp the mindset of these individuals, nor do you understand how the human brain reconfigures itself under specific circumstances and environments.

Maybe you could have easily sent those people back while they were still on a coast in North Africa.
But the person who has already crossed the sea, navigated through Europe, and made it all the way to the US border? That person is already mentally wired like a bull charging a red rag being waved right in front of their nose.
Sophia Ramos5 said:but their kids serve as the breakthrough when things stall.

one step ahead — visionary
two steps ahead — not quite right

Precisely my point.
Kids shouldn't have to pay the price for anyone's mistakes.
And honestly, we should probably just make things easier for the Americans. ☕
Karen Doyle72 said:So how exactly do we have control over entry then? 🤔
We have control over driving through America. That's about it.

They aren't cutting through Kentucky, and they certainly aren't coming in via Miami.
They are funneling exclusively through one tiny corridor that accounts for less than 10% of our total open border facing them.

And at the end of the day, everyone who makes it across just heads straight toward a single checkpoint in a place like San Diego, and that's the whole story.

There isn't any wandering all over the country.

If you ask me, it’s incredibly efficient and remarkably well-managed.

It's honestly the best possible outcome given the various combinations of routes that remain accessible.
Gregory Hall66 said:Forget the campaign rhetoric; I was actually among the first to applaud the administration for their approach to the migrant crisis. It seemed quite clever and efficient at first glance—just pack them onto a bus and ship them out.

But nothing followed that initial action.
Standing in the rain for six hours is one thing, but when the snow starts falling soon, those waits will feel much longer than the twelve-hour stretches we endured just a month ago.
And the reality remains that we have no way to control who enters our borders. So, while people are being harmed or beaten elsewhere, what exactly are we doing here?

Regarding the bolded part—I agree. This whole mess transcends any single political campaign or anyone's partisan preferences.

I have to disagree with you there.
We absolutely have control over our borders.

What we can't control is what happens on the Mexican side and where they decide to dump these refugees for us to deal with.
Alexander Ortiz3 said:There’s an old Chinese proverb that goes: he who thinks something cannot be done should not interfere with the one who is actually doing it. 😉

Precisely.
And let’s not forget what Mao Zedong famously remarked—that everything in life is total garbage, except for taking a leak. Though, if you ask me, even pissing into a gale is complete garbage. 😁

That is the crux of the matter right there. Pissing into a gale.
Alexander Ortiz3 said:How does the police force handle and settle a crowd of 10,000 fans? Do they just start shooting them? 🤦
You set up razor wire that slices through skin to the bone, put water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets behind it, and have police in armored vehicles with batons ready. Let whoever wants to charge try it, and we'll see how that goes. 😁
I suspect they’ll conclude that things weren't actually that bad back in Turkey. 😉

It seems you've developed quite an obsession with razor wire; it clearly fascinates you. 😁

Look, even at the southern border, they had razor wire, and people just grabbed some heavy-duty pliers and cut right through it.

Do you remember those news reports about the groups getting hammered by the police?

Were they getting beat up on the Mexican side or the Canadian side?

For heaven's sake, show a little objectivity here; refugees were passing through those exact types of fences, and the Canadian authorities couldn't stop them.
But now, everyone is acting like they're suddenly experts, pretending the Canadians actually managed to hold the line.

They didn't.
It was just that the Mexicans diverted everyone toward our side instead.