Megan White4 said:First off, if an officer approaches you in plainclothes, they are required to identify themselves by showing their badge before any official procedure begins. If they don't, you aren't obligated to hand over any documents or personal information at all—you have no way of verifying they’re actually law enforcement. This rule applies just as much to transit officers, code enforcement, or state inspectors.
If it turns out they *are* indeed police, your best move is to request a confrontation in court. Make sure to explicitly state that the officers were in civilian clothing and failed to properly identify themselves by displaying their badge. That constitutes a procedural error, essentially making their conduct unlawful. In many cases, this mistake means you won't face any consequences, while they could potentially face suspension for failing to follow protocol.
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Give me a break—authority is authority. When the executive branch tells a judge who happens to be their buddy that they showed badges, while you, the supposed "criminal," claim otherwise, who is the judge going to believe? A "felon" or the boys in blue? All these lofty talks about our "rights" are just a legal veneer for how they're going to steamroll us anyway. Their power is so unchecked they could practically snatch you off the street just because they feel like it—no reason required. I just find his logic odd—it's as if he'd hand over his ID to anyone driving a black Mercedes...🤷 Even if he manages to prove they broke protocol, it doesn't change much—if those officers testify he ran a red light, he could still face charges, and proving their mistake won't exactly help the OP's case...