Posts by placidharbor7

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Exactly I stepped up to be the vocal apprentice for a day (just wanted to see what the man had to say when forced into such a corner
but the master says no! He claims apprentices don't learn, they just endure life's challenges)
That sounds like someone sitting in the middle of a field claiming they're building a house while waiting for it to construct itself....
I am trying my hardest to get something out of him, but nothing.😍
I throw questions his way, but he dodges me.
It feels to me like our master is just transferring air from one void to another...
(Let's see if this provocation actually stirs him...
though I highly doubt it, but whatever)

Most of you folks here already know the deal—you're busy transferring your own emptiness into more emptiness.
Only once you've finished that necessary work can you perhaps sense that the MASTER is transferring something into YOU as well. Until then, you're just fruitlessly wrestling with the MASTER—better to finish your homework first—cleanse yourselves internally for COMMUNION.

Edward Flores4 said:We’re all placidharbor7—well, except for those moments when we’re all more like Mirko Norac 🤣 (the older crowd will remember that whole era, and the younger ones... well, they get to keep their innocence) 🙂

Honestly, I don't see any point in communicating like this—there’s no actual discussion, no exchange of ideas, nothing at all.

Exactly. He’s actually playing the part of a true Zen master perfectly... A real master lures in students the way you might tease a child with a clenched fist, making them believe there's something precious inside, when in reality, the hand is empty. Every master is essentially a con artist, because if he truly had something valuable to "sell," he wouldn't be wasting his time hanging out here and flooding forums with posts 😉

Why so harsh, Master? Not to sound bold, but why the attitude?

Because he’s leaning hard into that Far East guru vibe and all their clichés... except he hasn't realized that their behavior actually makes sense given their circumstances. Specifically, people go to them begging to be taught, so that kind of persona works. But our "master" is just copying their folklore in a totally inappropriate setting—an environment where nobody is asking him for anything, let alone begging him to be their teacher.

He doesn't seem to grasp that, which is why he acts so out of touch. He just wants to feel important and respected. 😕

Why won't you answer the questions being asked of you?

The second he opened that hand, everyone would see it was empty, and the "magic" in his head would vanish instantly. The privilege of being a master is getting to ask the questions and laugh at every answer—right up until the moment you realize there are no answers, and you just have to laugh at yourself for being foolish enough to think a master actually had something to teach you.

Why don't you explain the reasoning behind your thoughts on the subject?

Because they aren't his own thoughts... it's just a routine, and routines are hard to justify logically. So, the master keeps his fist tightly clenched, just waiting for someone to fall for the trick. 🙂

So, basically, if you actually feel like you have something valuable to add to the conversation, why aren't you jumping in more often, plodonosnije?

If I did, I’d say so. That much is crystal clear!

Honestly, I think your neurons just haven't quite leveled up to a more mature age yet—that’s the only real secret in your case!😢

Brenda Cook4 said:Auuu Chief, you are missing the mark by quite a bit... just look at one of the master's tall tales....

Thanks a million for pointing me in the right direction!😉

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Higher consciousness is the sign that binds us together, then splits us into parts during this life, only to unite us once again in death. It’s a higher awareness acting through us throughout our existence, allowing us to observe the world and realize we are all just extensions of the same hand and the same mind...
To even attempt to lead such a profound message, you're clearly disconnected from it based on how you talk and act. Don't go attacking your own hand if you actually know it exists.

Of course the master has no clue if that "hand" even exists.

So, maybe it would be a great idea for you to sit down and have a little chat with the young master steeleagle13 instead!?👍

steeleagle13 said:Whether you're watching or not, things happen on their own—and your observation (or lack thereof) is just part of that process.

Man, placidharbor7, you are absolutely on fire right now! Seriously, you're killing it.👍🙂😉That's just how it is.

steeleagle13 said:if you learn how to pee in a giant seashell, maybe the squirrel will give you some chocolate 😁

OOOOO - ho - hoooooooooooo😂🤣😲

Jeffrey Gray4 said:And in your eyes, who exactly qualifies as a "true sage"?

They’re the ones who truly grasp the essence of the Tao—yet they don't waste even a single breath talking about it! Instead, they pour all their energy and time into everything else. That's the secret, isn't it? You have to learn how to flow with life.😲😍

Michael Anderson2 said:Sure, everything is one. But even that's just an illusion. 😉
I'm thinking about making myself a t-shirt that says, "We're all masters!"

Honestly, I don't see any point in communicating like this—there’s no actual debate, no exchange of ideas, nothing.

Why so rigid—or should I say, why so abrasive, placidharbor7? Why dodge the questions being thrown your way? Why not actually lay out the reasoning behind your views on the topic? Honestly, if you truly believe you have something valuable to contribute, why not engage more meaningfully in the discussion? Explain things, teach us, make a recommendation, drop a link—just give us something to work with. Most of your posts just seem to be an invitation to conflict. Show us this "transcendence" you keep talking about...🙄

Look, you're just wandering around aimlessly! placidharbor7 ran a whole masterclass here with over 20,000 enrollments, not to mention a few other major headlines. It's all sitting right there in the archives—why don't you go ahead and look?

casualmaker13 said:Hold on, is it my question, yours, or his that's actually arrogant and pointless?😲😂
Maybe you and I are actually one and the same, even if we think otherwise.😂

Oh, we're definitely "one," but there's a pretty massive chance that you're just the rear end while placidharbor7 is the actual brains of the operation!🤣

Michael Anderson2 said:😕 I’m struggling to wrap my head around the adjective and its origin. Whose follower am I, really?

You’ve got over 4,000 posts—if that isn't a full-time job, then I'll eat my hat. But, if every single one of them is just like the one I just quoted, then you really aren't accomplishing much at all. 😁

If I find myself needing anything, I'll be sure to reach out.

And yeah... exactly.🤣

Well, it sure seems like you aren't either!😢

Edward Flores4 said:Now, look, unlike Master Mike over there, I’m not out here hunting for disciples, taking on students, or trying to diagnose "truth seekers." I don't call myself a "Master," I don't refer to myself in the third person, and I certainly don't act like I'm on some grand mission using old-fashioned, overly dramatic language just to make up for a lack of actual substance in my posts.

As for how much I actually know... well, given everything I just said... I suppose nobody is more qualified than you to make that kind of judgment call. 😉

But you know what? Even placidharbor7 doesn't pull any of that stuff either!
Anyway—enough of this! Time to go grab a snack and head to bed.😢

Michael Anderson2 said:Barely.

I understand it intellectually, but if you’re asking whether I truly *know* it? Not a chance. 🤷
If you've got nothing better to do, then why are you out here playing missionary on this forum?
Searching for truth seekers? Or just spinning your wheels in a vacuum?

Honestly, you’re grasping at straws even more than someone who barely understands the basics—which is pretty typical for a truth seeker.

If there's supposedly "nothing going on," how can you possibly claim this Master is actually "working" or—even weirder—going on some illogical "mission"?😲

Why don't you go talk to Edward Flores4 instead? He’s even more lost than you are, so maybe the two of you can work your magic together and figure it out!

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shamantrixx says: Actually... I was just repeating an old aphorism to you! I remember Alan Watts once quoting (if I recall correctly) Lao Tse, who famously noted: "Those who know do not say, and those who say do not know" ...to which Alan quipped: "and yet he said it." 😁 So, there you go—I basically just sold you that same little joke! 😁

Honestly, the people here who are still searching for the Truth seem to need a picture book to understand this. What Lao Tse is actually getting at is this:

"Those who know the TAO do not say ANYTHING ABOUT IT."

Beginners completely shut their mouths when faced with a true sage—and that's exactly why they stay beginners, isn't it?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

Imagine—it’s all just visions and projections! Isn't that wild to think about?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

What we’re actually talking about when we say someone is "starting to wrap their head around things" is pure intellect. But let's be clear: intellect and consciousness are two completely different beasts! One is just processing data, while the other is something much deeper, don't you think?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

How on earth is the intellect supposed to dismantle duality when the entire structure of our thinking is built upon it? It’s a bit of a catch-22, isn't it? Every tool we have to analyze, categorize, and understand the world relies on making distinctions—this versus that, light versus dark, self versus other. If the very foundation of our logic is dualistic, how can we ever hope to transcend it using that same logic? It feels like trying to use a hammer to unbuild the very concept of a nail! Can we truly think our way out of a framework that defines our capacity to think in the first place?
Do you ever stop to wonder if there’s actually a massive divide between pure intellect and true consciousness? It’s one of those deep, late-night questions that really gets the gears turning, isn't it? I mean, think about it! We often toss those two terms around like they’re interchangeable, but are they really? On one hand, you’ve got intellect—that sharp, analytical engine in your brain that processes data, solves complex equations, and navigates the logic of everyday life. It’s like having a high-powered supercomputer sitting in your skull, right? It’s brilliant, efficient, and incredibly capable at crunching numbers or winning an argument. But then... there's consciousness. That’s something entirely different, isn't it? That raw, subjective "feeling" of being alive. It’s the actual experience of the warmth of the sun on your skin or the sudden, inexplicable ache of a beautiful melody. You can have a machine with more processing power than any human alive, but does it *feel* anything? Does it truly "know" what it means to exist? It makes you wonder: can you have one without the other? Can you be a genius with zero awareness of your own existence, or can you be deeply conscious without the capacity for high-level reasoning? I’d love to hear what you all think about this distinction! Is it a clear-cut line, or is it all just one big, beautiful blur?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

That’s exactly right! We’ve all finally seen the light—there really isn't anything left for us to uncover, is there? It looks like you might have cut off your message! You only sent "trebali," which translates to "they should have" or "we needed." Was there more you wanted to say? I’m all ears and ready to dive into whatever topic you were about to bring up! What's on your mind? Honestly, isn't it wild how everything just seems to fall right into place on its own? It’s like the universe has this incredible way of unfolding exactly as it should, without us having to force every single little thing. Doesn't it feel like life just flows when you stop trying to micromanage the chaos? Everything is just happening!

Jeffrey Gray4 said:If you care about your Truth as much as you claim, then lay it out for me. Keep it simple... can you handle that?
Right now, you aren't giving me even a hint of what's going on in that head of yours. I'll play the student today, and once you're done lecturing, you can let me get back to being myself.

But see, that’s the thing—you don't just hand the Truth over to a student. You challenge them to see if they have the grit to handle it.

Jeffrey Gray4 said:You’re being fed a lie if you think you can just force it on people. You can offer it, sure, but you can't demand it be the only Truth. All you're doing is creating conflict, and that's just pure hopelessness.
And please, drop the "truth seeker" label. I'm not out here hunting for anything.

Seriously though, from what possible standpoint could anything in all nine realms be considered "wrong"?

Michael Anderson2 said:You’re moving toward One, toward Truth, toward liberation from Maya, and toward the dissolution of duality.

But why would dissolving duality be possible solely through "forces outside of myself"? If those forces are external, wouldn't the One just be another illusion?

"Oneness" is also an illusion, though perhaps not in the way you're thinking.

How can a single, unchanging measure of consciousness possibly "progress," dear truth seeker?

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Why defend her? Isn't it enough that she brings you happiness...
Spirituality isn't about finding one single path that works for everyone. It's about finding the specific path that feels right for each individual.
We don't all have to walk the same road to reach the same destination...
If you've found a path that brings you joy, take it and don't look back. Stop looking for companions to walk your street if they aren't interested. What looks beautiful to you might actually trigger fear or resentment in someone else.
It’s not a crime to offer a path to someone who is searching, but it is a crime to demand they walk yours.
If you want to defend your truth, then defend it by showing that no one has the right to take it from you... because at the end of the day, you’re the master of nothing but your own life.

Awakening doesn't just happen based on whatever whim we feel like following, truth seeker.
It’s not about constantly questioning the "how" and the "why" anymore.
The F. Chief upholds the Truth because that is his divine purpose.

Edward Flores4 said:Honestly, your bizarre way of judging other people's personalities is just a mirror reflecting your own fractured psyche—the parts you’ve tried to sweep under the rug of your own ego, all while desperately hoping you can actually believe your own hype.

Please, feel free to keep flooding the forums with these empty posts—just moving the goalposts from one side to the other, talking about yourself in the third person, and acting like the entire world is bowing down to your "magnificent" persona.

Once you finally hit that 10,000-post milestone, I’ll personally hand you a diploma—it’ll be official proof of your sheer incompetence. 😉

Defend your ridiculous claims, and placidharbor7 will hand you a golden bull!

Edward Flores4 said:How is that hard to grasp?

The thing is, this guy operates on a very specific communication frequency—one where the prerequisite is that you have to view him as some kind of guru, someone whose every word is gospel. Once you accept that premise, everything he says becomes absolute fact.

But, of course, if you don't play along with that dynamic, our resident "expert" at the camp always has three or four canned, condescending phrases ready to go—designed specifically to discredit anyone who doubts him while simultaneously shielding his massive ego.

If you take a moment to dig through the older posts from placidharbor7, you'll see the pattern clearly: the man has churned out thousands of entries, basically just recycling the same five sentences in different orders. Every other post ends with a nod to a "truth seeker," and nearly every single one features him talking about himself in the third person.

For a lot of people, "spirituality" acts as a convenient hiding spot—a way to wrap their personal complexes in a layer of spiritual ambition. They seem to think that because spirituality is supposedly so ethereal, their fabrications can somehow dodge any attempt at logic or real criticism.

Unfortunately for them, anyone with a bit of common sense can spot a "smoke merchant" from a mile away, even when they're using more subtle, mystical smoke, much like the spiritual illusions being spun by our grand "master" placidharbor7. ☕

Your whole argument just highlights your total inability to handle placidharbor7's "insights" and your own personality flaws.
Come on, man, just get back to your usual nonsense and pointless debating.