Posts by brightnomad5

Gregory Jackson said:I think those of you who have spent a bit more time exploring spiritual paths might recognize where I'm going with this right away. I figured I’d start things off by sharing a personal story of mine to set the stage. But first, I should probably ramble a little bit about how karma and free will actually play together in all of this.

When we talk about "Karma," I don't really see it as some cosmic scoreboard where you get rewarded or punished for stuff you did in a "past life." I guess it’s more like a tool for the soul—a way for our consciousness to evolve through experience. It’s basically designed to teach us lessons in the most direct way possible, which usually means learning things the hard way, you know? People tend to view it in black and white, thinking everything that happens now is either a blessing or a curse from the past. In my view, we live out certain old karmic patterns through things we didn't choose—like where we were born, our genetics, or even our parents—which sets the scene for what we have to work through. That’s kind of like "mature karma" playing out. At the same time, we’re constantly building new karma based on the choices we make in situations where we *do* have a say. Some extreme perspectives tend to blame everything on old karma, totally ignoring the fact that our current choices matter. They claim free will is just an illusion and we're all just "puppets on a string."

Then there’s "Free Will." In any given moment, I feel like a person has endless paths they could take—countless ways to grow or change direction. Ideally, these choices are truly ours, free from hidden influences. Now, philosophers sometimes argue that free will isn't quite so simple because we're often boxed in by social norms, the economy, or just our own mental baggage. I suppose they aren't wrong; they're talking about the *application* of free will—how much someone actually dares or is able to exercise it. Still, if I decided right now that I wanted to fly off to India, nobody could stop me except myself. There are some pretty radical views out there that suggest we are the absolute masters of our fate, that past-life karma doesn't exist at all, and that everything is just happening in the present based on circumstances we didn't pick.

Anyway, here’s the example to get us started.

It was summertime, and I was out for a stroll through town. I was walking with my wife and our little girl when we ran into an old acquaintance. She has a daughter about the same age as ours, and she dabbles in astrology as a hobby. Since we bumped into each other, we grabbed a drink and ended up chatting about the kids (because, let's face it, that's what parents do). I jokingly complained that our place is so packed with toys that I can barely find a spot to sit down. Our apartment is fine for now, but I mentioned that one day we'll eventually need to look for something bigger. Well, she offered to "take a look" using her astrological methods to see what the future holds regarding our housing situation. We both laughed it off—I mean, hey, if she wants to try, she can't hurt anything, right? This was at the beginning of August. About ten days later, she calls me with the news. She tells me she sees a larger place in my future and that I'll have everything sorted out by October—just two months away! She goes into all these technical details, and I just nod along because, honestly, I barely understand any of that stuff. She says I'll be really happy with the outcome. I told her, "Look, we were just joking; we don't have the cash, it's not urgent, and with the economic downturn hitting, we couldn't even sell our current place if we wanted to." For a few weeks, I just treated it like a funny little anecdote. Money was tight, the market had totally frozen up, and I was feeling pretty depressed about it, so I didn't take a single step toward finding a new home.

Fast forward to the start of September. I'm sitting on a park bench on a quiet Sunday morning, watching my daughter play on the slide. Out of nowhere, that conversation about the apartment pops back into my head. I noticed a local shop nearby was still open, so I hopped over to grab a newspaper and headed back to the bench. I had completely ruled out selling our place and buying a new one because the market panic was so intense that nobody was buying anything. But then I look at the paper, and it's full of listings. There were two houses in my city available for a swap. Only one of them even remotely fit my needs, but even then, the owner wanted something bigger than what I had. Whatever, I figured I'd give it a shot. The guy wasn't thrilled, but I thought, why not meet and see? So, I reached out.

To make a long story short, after weeks of back-and-forth, we finally signed the contract in the last ten days of October. Everything just clicked—the money for the difference appeared out of nowhere, and a bunch of other things fell into place perfectly. Our new place, once we finished the renovations, was a massive leap up from the old one. If we had been choosing locations, we couldn't have picked a better spot; the building had actually been voted the best in the city the year before. I honestly couldn't believe that something like this could happen out of thin air in just two months.

I mean, I honestly couldn't wrap my head around the fact that anyone actually knew about this before it all just... unfolded right in front of me. It kind of felt like I was just some puppet on a string, you know? To be honest, even now, I'm sitting here wondering if it was all just karma playing out—like something you'd see mapped out in an astrology chart—or if it was just me exercising my own free will when I decided to pick up that classifieds magazine, though, God help me, it was mostly just because I was bored out of my mind.

It really makes you wonder, though, how much of our life's situation is just karma (or "destiny," if that’s more your vibe) versus how much is just us making choices? Like, how much is stuff we've been dragging along from our past, and how much is just what we're doing right this second? Where do you even draw that line? How can you tell one apart from the other? If I decided to hop on a plane and fly off to India, would that be karma pulling the strings, or would it just be me using my free will?

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Well, I suppose there isn't much else one can say... some people simply always choose the more difficult path. 😁

And if you happen to believe that the condescension was tucked away in that bolded section—the part about "...for people who prefer those other methods"... I simply cannot... To apply this to oneself...

Now, I have come to realize that one certainly encounters many individuals who dedicate themselves to practicing tantra and Magik, and it seems quite certain that the underlying motivation for such pursuits is simply an inability to maintain a life of celibacy...
It is essentially the same as me suggesting that anyone practicing celibacy is fundamentally incapable of engaging in tantra or Magik—implying, of course, that they must be suffering from some sort of sexual dysfunction...

It is quite simply because they are superior, in principle. After all, this is a point upon which all successful followers of spiritual paths—and indeed, even the most serious spiritual teachings themselves—can reach a consensus. Celibacy isn't merely a rule confined to theology or organized religion; it is deeply embedded within mysticism as well (perhaps even more emphatically there than in theology), and extends into philosophy, and to some extent, even into purely physical disciplines... such as in elite professional sports, where it is often recommended...

Is it actually better? I mean, did you really give this one a fair shake and run a side-by-side comparison before deciding...
When it comes to matters of authority, there are always those who contradict one another at every turn. It leaves one wondering... why is it that we tend to believe the ones we choose to follow are the most correct?
It’s a classic logical fallacy, really... the idea that just because I follow someone, it automatically means they’re right. It's certainly not how sound reasoning works... 😁

To be perfectly honest, I have never had much use for authority figures. It isn't quite in my nature to simply bow down to whoever happens to be in charge; I certainly wasn't born to spend my days following orders or adhering to someone else's rulebook. Rather, my intention has always been to live my life on my own terms...

It could certainly be categorized as dogma—if we define dogma as a truth revealed by the Divine—but at its core, it remains a simple, undeniable fact...

That particular dogma is fundamentally opposed to both humanity and the very essence of love. It stands in direct opposition to our nature; for instance, it seeks to deny homosexual individuals the right to experience true love... 😲 So, we are talking about fundamental human rights...

Technically speaking, one could consume excrement. One could even consume human flesh; the human digestive system is perfectly capable of processing it without any physiological complications, and who knows what other biological possibilities exist... All of these things "can" be done if one doesn't find them repulsive or perceive anything inherently wrong with them. In fact, pigs actually enjoy consuming waste—especially when it is warm. They particularly favor it when it is fresh and warm, though they certainly don't reject it when it's cold; on the contrary, they quite enjoy that as well... so, strictly speaking, it "can" be done...

e, I think he's overdoing it a bit here 😳
I honestly can't fathom where these associations regarding the consumption of bodily fluids come from...
Of course, there are certain psychoanalytic theories regarding such things, but since psychoanalyzing fellow forum members is strictly against the rules—I shall restrain myself accordingly.

As for sperm and vaginal fluids, that enters the realm of black magic and carries very dire consequences for one's fate; besides that, 🤮

that isn't black magic at all 🤣

It seems to me that you won't be able to grasp how much any of what we are discussing actually benefits someone, and it really would be wise to understand that if you feel it's "okay" for you. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to you, though I don't wish for you to interpret that as an attempt to repress your own free will. 😉 (I am consciously risking judgment by addressing you somewhat personally in this final paragraph...)

your issue is that you are operating under prejudices and judging something about which you possess absolutely no knowledge, let alone any actual experience.

You know plenty of people who practice tantra and Magik, and you can say with absolute certainty that they only do it because they lack the discipline for celibacy.
It’s like me claiming that anyone practicing celibacy is incapable of practicing tantra or Magik—essentially suggesting they suffer from sexual dysfunction.

Is it better? Have you actually tried this one yet to make a proper comparison?
When it comes to authority figures, there are plenty of people out there giving conflicting advice. Why do you assume that the ones you follow are necessarily the most accurate?
That’s a logical fallacy. Just because I follow him doesn't mean he's right. 😁
Honestly, I couldn't care less about authority figures. I wasn't born just to follow orders; I was born to live my life on my own terms.

That dogma is fundamentally against humanity and love itself. It actively works to deny homosexual people the right to experience love. 😲 Basically, it's a fundamental human right.

Wow, okay, now they're overdoing it. 😳
I honestly have no idea where these associations regarding the consumption of bodily fluids come from.
Of course, there are certain psychoanalytic theories on the subject, but since analyzing forum members is strictly off-limits—I'll refrain.

this isn't black magic 🤣

your problem is that you have prejudices and you're judging something you know nothing about, let alone having any experience with.

Elizabeth Bishop4 said:It’s probably oral.

He can't even reach a climax without ejaculating, so what's actually the point of the semen?

People who practice tantra claim that a man can actually reach a climax without any ejaculation at all. It makes me think there's probably some kind of internal switch you can flip.

Practitioners of tantra claim a man can reach climax without ejaculation. This suggests there is likely some kind of biological switch involved.

Andrew Sanchez572;18037654 said:How can you say that? You've been saying all along that the only natural way to have sex for reproduction is within a male-female couple.
We don't need an excuse for sex, any more than we need one for breathing.

Nice—no. 🙂 I haven't approached this from a theological standpoint (not yet). The fact that logical reasoning happens to align with theological views only adds weight to that logic and supports its validity. I was simply speaking about how things are.

but in the very next quote 😉
why would one way be better than another?

Actually, your objection came before the quote you are referencing here, so it should address what preceded it rather than following it—otherwise, it lacks a basis. 🙂

Furthermore, there is no condescension toward people involved ("but you are looking down on those who do it"). I am discussing methods for achieving a goal, and the fact remains that certain methods are more effective for reaching a specific objective than others. For instance, if you want to run a marathon, bodybuilding isn't exactly the best training method, and vice versa... Simply put, some ways of achieving a certain goal are better, more successful, appropriate, easier, or more suitable... call it whatever you like.

And if you think the condescension lay in that bolded part regarding people who cannot apply those other ways to themselves: if someone truly cannot do something, stating that is merely an observation. Where is the condescension in that? If I say someone cannot bench press 500 lbs, and that is the plain truth, where is the condescension? It is a simple statement of fact. Moreover, I emphasized later in the text "for any reason (objective or subjective)," which means that when I say they "cannot," I am referring to more than just subjective reasons; I am including objective ones as well. This proves multiple times over that this is not condescension, but a simple statement of potential facts.

why would one way be better than another?
I can practice abstinence, and I am, but that isn't my spiritual path.
you know, there are different types of people with different spiritual practices and goals, so there is no "better" or "worse," just differences.

Simply because it is better, in principle. Besides, all successful followers of spiritual paths and serious spiritual teachings agree on this. Celibacy isn't just a rule in theology or religion, but also in mysticism (where it is even more pronounced than in theology), philosophy, and to some extent, even in purely physical disciplines (like at the elite level of professional sports, where it is often recommended).

I am not disputing your personal freedom of will; that is your business. I am speaking about principles, credible teachings, and traditions as they are, examining these questions through logic and reasoning. If you don't believe me, check with experts in those fields—they will tell you the same thing, with only minor variations.

dogma

It could be considered dogma (if we define dogma as truth revealed by God), but it is also a plain fact.

drinking, eating

sperm and vaginal fluids? 😲 ("thirdly, sperm—aside from the fact that it can be redirected back through certain exercises—is also an energetic conductor, and can be consumed as a sacred substance following a sexual ritual (as can vaginal fluids, naturally)."

Sure, you could even consume feces. You could eat human flesh, too; our stomachs would digest it just fine, and who knows what else... Everything "can" be done as long as someone doesn't find it disgusting or see anything wrong with it. In fact, a pig enjoys consuming waste, especially if it's warm; they particularly love it fresh and warm, though they don't reject or recoil from cold waste either—on the contrary, they love that too... so technically, it "can"

As for the sperm and vaginal fluids, that enters the realm of black magic and carries very dire consequences for one's destiny, besides 🤮

Well, tastes vary, says the devil, as he strips off his pants and sits in the nettles.

It seems to me that you won't grasp much of what we are discussing regarding actual well-being, and it really ought to be understood if this is something you consider "possible." I wouldn't recommend it to you at all, though I don't want you to interpret that as an attempt to suppress your free will. 😉 (I am consciously risking judgment by addressing you personally in this final paragraph)

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Honestly, about 90% of what you’ve written feels more like a rigid religious dogma than actual lived experience.
Look, I certainly respect your perspective and your decision to steer clear of practicing spirituality through sex, but I think you’re somewhat underselling the people who actually walk that path.
In my view, sexual magic, Western tantra, and tantra in general aren't some kind of deviant behavior at all.

Furthermore, both men and women can engage in sexual magic—and pretty much anything else for that matter—entirely on their own, which is actually quite beneficial during the initial stages...
Personally, I haven't had much experience practicing this within a partnership, and I find I feel much better when I perform these practices solo.

Thirdly, regarding semen: beyond the fact that it can be redirected back through certain exercises, it also serves as an energetic guide. It can even be consumed as a sacred substance following a sexual ritual (along with vaginal fluids, naturally). The release of both semen and vaginal fluids, and their subsequent mingling, is a vital element; that mixture becomes consecrated once the ritual is complete.

Look, I respect your position and your decision to steer clear of practicing spirituality through sex, but you’re underestimating the people who actually choose that path.

I don't view sexual magic, Western tantra, or tantra in general as being some kind of sexually deviant phenomenon.

Furthermore, both men and women can practice sexual magic—along with any other discipline—entirely on their own. In fact, practicing solo is actually highly recommended during the initial stages.
Personally, I’ve had very little experience practicing this within a relationship; I find that I feel much better when I do it on my own.

Thirdly, regarding sperm: beyond the possibility of redirecting its energy through specific exercises, it serves as an energetic guide. Following a sexual ritual, it can be consumed as a sacred substance—along with vaginal fluids, naturally. The release of both seed and vaginal fluid, and their subsequent blending, is the essential component; this mixture becomes consecrated once the ritual is complete.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:On a material level, there exists material sex, whereas on the spiritual level, there is spiritual 🙂
if you view sex merely as something coarse, selfish, and addictive, then, naturally, you are overlooking its function of exchange, giving, creativity, and love, and by doing so, you are closing yourself off from those types of experiences through sex.

It is entirely realistic. Natural sexuality inherently involves conception (though certainly not exclusively!!! but one shouldn't be timid and exclude any part of that sublime whole, for if one does, it ceases to be what it truly is by its very nature! Whether it be pleasure, emotions, conception, or anything else contained within that totality). Any intentional interference with the flow of such sexuality or any redirection of that natural course is, clearly, unnatural, and the result is an exercise (or misuse) of free will rather than following the natural essence and nature of the act itself.

That is completely unrealistic. A woman is only fertile for about three days a month. For all the other days, both the man and the woman can enjoy sex without offspring as a consequence. Not to mention that after menopause, a woman also cannot become pregnant, even though she remains capable of experiencing orgasm.
celibacy can be, and most often is, quite aggressive toward natural human sexuality. Don't men in celibacy experience nocturnal emissions? How natural does that seem to you?
Animals experience sexuality in its most natural form. And among them, there is no celibacy, except when they are ill 🙂
And yet, when I speak of sacred sexuality, I am not suggesting that every instance of sexuality is sacred, but rather that absolutely any instance can be 'sacralized.'

Humans are sexual because sex serves a purpose during the majority of life (particularly in men). Humans also eat throughout their entire lives, but that doesn't mean it is natural to overeat 😁 Everything has its own nature and purpose, and since humans are beings endowed with free will, one can choose to use things in an unnatural way according to that freedom, though appropriate consequences will follow. One who overeats disrupts their own health over time. This isn't just a religious or spiritual principle, but a fundamental physical principle, much like with sexuality. But then again, there is free will... so, let everyone do as they please.

Could you please clarify this for me, specifically regarding how it applies to men?

Why on earth would you assume that having sex automatically means someone is overindulging?
One might say that celibacy is much like fasting when you look at it through the lens of dietary habits.
However, viewing sexuality as a tool for spiritual practice is more akin to being mindful of the fact that everything one consumes provides nourishment... though I suppose that analogy isn't quite perfect.

That is completely unrealistic. A woman is only fertile for about three days out of the month. For the rest of the time, both partners can enjoy sex without any possibility of pregnancy. Not to mention that after menopause, a woman can no longer conceive, even though she is still fully capable of experiencing orgasm.
Celibacy can be, and often is, incredibly aggressive toward our natural human sexuality. Don't men in celibacy just end up carrying around a lot of repressed tension? How natural does that actually seem to you?

Animals experience sexuality in its most natural state. Among them, there is no such thing as celibacy, except when they are ill. 🙂

To be clear, when I talk about sacred sexuality, I’m not suggesting that every sexual act is inherently sacred. However, I firmly believe that any form of sexuality can absolutely be "sacralized."

Could you please explain this to me? I’m particularly interested in how this applies to men.

Why do you assume that having sex automatically means someone is overindulging?

If you look at celibacy through the lens of nutrition, it’s a lot like fasting.

But treating sexuality as a tool for spiritual practice is a bit like realizing you're just eating prasad. Though, I suppose the analogy isn't exactly perfect.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:...hm.....
I honestly feel that people who are overly obsessed with sex struggle to actually integrate it meaningfully into their spiritual practice.

You frequently use the word 'natural' when discussing sex, and you seem to equate 'natural sexuality' solely with reproduction. Isn't that just a little unrealistic, considering humans remain sexual beings from childhood all the way through death?

That 'principle' you keep bringing up is rooted entirely in patriarchal, monotheistic, Abrahamic religions. It isn't universal, nor is it inherent to our nature. But then again, believers often love to label their specific religious dogmas and principles as being 'natural.'

Andrew Sanchez572 said:🙂

Indeed, it all comes down to choice, and that choice is rooted in the inclinations of the heart. Such inclinations often depend on a valid and comprehensive view of reality and all the potential possibilities within our reach. If an individual is limited in their knowledge of what is actually available to them, then their inclination—and subsequently their will—will be equally restricted, simply because they aren't accounting for something else that is right there for the taking. What I mean is that free will only truly holds meaning once every single possibility has been carefully considered... only then. Otherwise, it is entirely possible for a person to lean toward one thing merely because they are living under an illusion or remain ignorant of other options, or of everything at their disposal, and how those things might impact their ultimate destiny...

you've made this quite complicated 😁
celibacy is restrictive, whereas sexuality (spiritual) is liberating 🙂
what I am trying to say is that many people in spiritual circles assume celibacy is the default, when very often that celibacy serves as a mere facade for their own sexual insufficiency, their impotence, and their emotional or affective stiffness.
Similarly, for some people, claiming sexuality is part of their spiritual practice is actually just a cover for their inability to exercise self-control or achieve a more refined experience.

but neither path is correct, nor are they honest regarding one's true spiritual journey.

mistybison said:I recently finished reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Most people here are likely already familiar with this text, but for those who aren't, it outlines the journey of the soul after death as interpreted by ancient spiritual leaders. Its purpose is twofold: to prepare an individual for the afterlife while they are still living, and to provide guidance for loved ones to assist the deceased by reading specific passages aloud. The book explores existence beyond our physical realm—what many would call the astral plane—which serves as a bridge toward total liberation or reincarnation into the material world. It offers practical advice for navigating encounters with various benevolent or wrathful deities during judgment, ultimately guiding the soul toward choosing its next life if complete liberation isn't achieved.

Reading this book, I have concluded that achieving liberation after death is an incredibly difficult feat, likely reserved only for yogis who have already mastered it during their lifetime. Most people simply drift along, carried by the weight of their good and bad karma, failing to maintain a mind centered in emptiness. For the majority, rebirth serves as the inevitable next step—a second chance to pursue spiritual progress. The Tibetan Book of the Dead suggests that liberation can be achieved (though rarely) in the immediate moments following death if the individual is capable, regardless of their karma. This depends entirely on their ability to recognize that everything encountered while navigating Purgatory is merely a projection of their own mind. Every vision is just a fragment of the deceased's psyche: the peaceful deities represent their divine nature, the wrathful ones reflect their human side, and even "judgment" is nothing more than a dialogue between different aspects of the self. Even suffering is simply a product of a restless conscience. Nothing in the astral realm exists outside the individual's being; the entire experience is shaped by one's karma and personal perception. If the soul cannot realize this, they may attempt to find liberation through prayer and focus on a protective deity. If that fails and they are overwhelmed by the illusions of the external world, their karma will inevitably lead them toward a new birth, whether in human form here on Earth or in some other realm altogether.

What I find most fascinating here is the actual concept of liberation. If everything in the astral realm is just as unreal as the deceased themselves—if it's all merely a mental projection colored by the memories and personality traits of a past life (which arguably applies to our physical reality too, but let's not get sidetracked)—then if the mind is fundamentally formless, void, and uncreated, those memories and inclinations are nothing more than illusions. In that case, who exactly is being liberated, and what is actually gained through such a process? 🤷 That which has always been unborn and uncreated is eternally free. It remains untouched by the shifting shadows and colors of existence—perceptions that are merely illusions destined to dissolve once they recognize their own lack of substance. When these illusions scatter, any perceived cognitive Power dissolves along with them. Everything fades. This isn't an escape into some heavenly realm of bliss (as being reborn into such worlds is just another layer of illusion), which leads me to wonder: is "liberation" even the right word for this process? Perhaps "annihilation" or "vanishing" would be more accurate. If the unborn is inherently free and void, then the illusory self, upon realizing its true nature, simply dissolves in a flash of insight. In reality, nothing truly changes; what was always free remains so, and what was never free never truly existed. The ultimate question remains: to what end?

Doesn't this entire concept seem completely nonsensical? All that spiritual labor, practice, and devotion spanning aeons just to realize we are a "holographic program," living in a "holodeck," and made of uncreated light dust—only to dissolve back into that dust and lose any sense of "self"? It feels a bit absurd, doesn't it?

On an intellectual level, grasping this idea isn't difficult. Modern science provides plenty of support, and beyond that, we have our own personal experiences, intuition acting as a channel to universal knowledge, and the mind's capacity for abstract thought. Actually "achieving" such a state is undoubtedly much harder and requires immense discipline. Perhaps adopting this view of reality could simplify and beautify our lives. But why would anyone set the "annihilation of consciousness" as their ultimate goal? Why would we want to dissolve into the void? Usually, the answer given is to escape the suffering of birth and death. But who is actually escaping it? Once you realize the illusion, the one being born and dying is merely a vanishing act, while that which was never born or died lacks a "self" to begin with. To me, it all looks like a pointless cycle: non-existence, existence, then non-existence again. 🤷

I hope my point comes through clearly in this topic. 😁

Andrew Sanchez572 said:my point exactly
I have absolutely no desire to live in celibacy—honestly, I don't think anyone else whose spiritual practice involves things like sexual rituals would want to, either.
So, it isn't really a question of willpower (since you were specifically focusing on power), but rather a matter of pure desire and intention.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:If you actually managed to conquer your own desire, it simply means you didn't want it badly enough in the first place 🙂

Andrew Sanchez572 said:I’m starting this thread because I’ve been thinking quite a bit about celibacy lately. I took a quick look through our archives, but honestly, I couldn't find anything that really hit the mark. Most discussions regarding sexuality and spiritual paths seem far too broad and superficial for my liking.

In this particular space, I would love for us to focus our discussion on how we might utilize sex, sexual energies, and specific techniques to facilitate spiritual growth and progress... perhaps even exploring the concept of sex itself as a fundamental spiritual principle.

I know I’ve mentioned this in a few other places on the forum already, but I’d like to once again recommend Osho Rajneesh’s little booklet, "Yoga, Tantra and Sex"—if I recall the title correctly, 😳.

Sexual rituals are woven into so many different spiritual traditions, ranging from tantra all the way to Western Hermeticism, so I find it rather curious that a dedicated topic like this hasn't been established yet 👋

mistybison said:Spiritual teachings frequently reference the heart, typically viewing it as something that transcends the mind—a source of consciousness, our true essence, and the engine behind everything we do.

Here is what one of our Harmony members shared regarding this topic in a discussion over on the "Religion" board:

How do you define the heart? 🙂

Douglas Brown4 said:Yes. That is how it’s stated on paper.
In reality, it mostly boils down to being irresponsible, smoking joints, and just existing without any drive to actually achieve or do anything. People fake meditating and working on their consciousness. It's bad music with shallow harmonies. It's making money by reading tea leaves and selling smoke. Laziness, hedonism, and plain stupidity.