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Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
I honestly don't know what to make of this lately. It feels like we're all just drifting through these massive shifts without much of a compass. Sometimes I wonder if we're actually making progress, or if we're just running faster on a treadmill that’s going nowhere. It’s a lot to process, and I’m still trying to wrap my head around where we all land. kaže:
You're touching on a few different points here... While that sense of "simple connectivity" is definitely something we all crave, it feels like it only happens in fleeting moments in today's world. It’s hard to find, and even when you do, it varies so much from one person to the next.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the concept of connection lately. It shows up in so many different ways, of course—the bond between a rider and their horse is one thing, then you have marriage, close friendships, or even just being good neighbors. But at its core, when you look at any relationship between two distinct, independent individuals who are actually in sync, the essence remains the same: it’s all about cooperation.

I think we need to talk about how much our society prioritizes stuff over everything else. It feels like we’ve reached a point where being materialistic isn't just common—it's expected. We’re constantly told that if we aren't upgrading our phones or buying the latest gear, we're somehow falling behind. Honestly, it’s exhausting to keep up with. Does anyone else feel like we've lost sight of what actually matters in the pursuit of more? kaže:
It all comes down to individual sensibilities, I suppose, along with a whole host of other variables. But looking at where we stand now, traditional religions—Christianity, primarily—seem to have been pushed into a position where they're viewed as nothing more than an "upgrade," a relic of the past, or perhaps just some formal afterthought to this whole... concept.

Has Capitalism Become Our Religion?

I can mostly just hold onto the "leftovers" to keep things somewhat balanced—acting as a way to stay connected to where we've been and where we're headed.

If McCarahher is actually right, then nobody is truly "outside" of that religion in today's world—or at least, very few people manage to be.
I won't get too bogged down in the specifics of the book itself just yet. The author—who identifies as a Christian—touches on quite a few different themes, including what he calls "left-wing romanticism" as an alternative to the often controversial concept of "Christian socialism."

A key way to measure religion is by what you actually worship. Just because you use money doesn't mean you're serving it.

I think we need to talk about how much we've let our focus shift toward being purely materialistic. It feels like we're constantly chasing the next big thing just to feel some sense of progress, but it's leaving us pretty empty. Is it just me, or has capitalism become our religion? We spend all this energy accumulating stuff, thinking it'll finally make us happy, but it's just a cycle that never actually ends. I'm trying to be more intentional about what matters, but man, it's hard when everything around you is designed to make you want more. kaže:
To me, the ability to "transcend our materialistic reality" feels like one of the defining traits of being human. It’s baked into our DNA. You see it in everything from the first crude stone tools ever shaped to the way we carefully prepare a burial site, or even those ancient cave paintings and the very first words ever spoken. It's just part of who we are.

I’d mostly call it a reshaping of sorts. Though, I’m still a little torn when it comes to the language aspect. It certainly isn't materialistic.

I can't quite make sense of that last message. It looks like there might have been a typo or a bit of a glitch. Could you please clarify what you meant? I'm happy to jump back into the conversation once I know where we're headed! kaže:
Getting stuck in your own head feels like a problem that fluctuates—some days it’s an uphill battle, other days it's just a mild distraction. And honestly, looking at the sheer variety of religions, worldviews, and cultures out there, I don't think all that diversity necessarily leads to a "war of all against all."

I don't see it that way either. It's really just those who have an appetite for conflict who end up fighting.

Lisa Jackson7 said:You're hitting on several different points here... that "basic connectivity" is definitely the goal, but in today's world, it's pretty rare to actually feel that (on an individual level, at least).

It depends on how you see things, and there are definitely other factors at play... traditional religions—specifically Christianity—are basically sitting there as an "upgrade," a "relic," or just a "ceremonial add-on" to this whole thing...

The Wealth of Nations

... and as a "relic," they mostly just maintain a certain balance and act as a reminder of the past (and the future).

If McCarthy is right, then practically nobody is "outside" of this religion in the modern world, or maybe just a tiny handful of people.
I won't get too bogged down in the article/book itself, but the author (who's a Christian) covers a lot of ground, even touching on "left-wing romanticism" instead of—well, maybe a more compromised—"Christian socialism."

In my opinion, it's not about transcending material reality so much as getting out of our own heads—accepting that we don't all share one single truth, other than the fact that we're human.

To me, the ability to "transcend material reality" seems like a fundamental part of being human... from the first crudely carved stones and burial sites to cave paintings and the first spoken words...
Being "stuck in our own mental trenches" feels like a problem that fluctuates in difficulty... the existence of various religions, worldviews, and cultures doesn't necessarily lead to a "war of all against all" in my book.

Not sure why you're calling them "cults," but yeah, they definitely overlap... just like transcendence and everyday life do.

When religion serves as an orientation...We’re stuck in this endless loop of internal and external enemies—and ideologues absolutely love it because they basically feed off that fear-mongering crap.

Not necessarily...

When you look at beliefs that go beyond this earthly plane, there's spirituality—which is different from organized religions that have somehow convinced themselves they're the only gatekeepers to heaven.
Since spirituality isn't something you can just consume on a mass scale, it might actually be totally immune to Mamone and whatever else is out there.

I don't see religiosity and spirituality as opposites... people who claim to be "spiritual but not religious" have just essentially denied the transcendent side of their own faith and shoved it all into the "spirituality" bucket instead.

The rest of the religious stuff is supposedly "covered" by the social contract... I'm skeptical, but hey, whatever floats your boat...

Also, just because some elite or individual consumes spirituality or culture doesn't mean they're safe from Mamone, Caesar, or whoever the hell the current idol is.

If that's the case, then they've simply put it back where it belongs. 😉

Lisa Jackson7 said:If I remember right, both of you live out in the sticks, pretty close to nature...
😁

In a high castle.
🙂
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
wearyowl29 said:One doesn't automatically lead to the other.
Besides, culture is just too massive and varied for there to be a single answer to that question.

I’m honestly curious about what it actually feels like when you transcend. What's the weather like up there? You know, the atmospheric conditions, visibility, and all that stuff. Hopefully, it won't just be another Kiowa Warrior situation where things get messy. 🕺
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
wearyowl29 said:Religion and culture are both types of Cult; one reaches for transcendence while the other handles the grit of daily life. They intertwine so tightly they're practically siblings, kept alive by our innate need for social connection.

When religion provides that orientation, we end up with these eternal conflicts—internal struggles and external enemies. And political ideologies? They love that. They thrive by parasitizing those feelings of being under threat.

As for beliefs that go beyond the physical realm, there is spirituality, which is distinct from organized religion. Some religions have gotten way too full of themselves, thinking they hold the only monopoly on heaven.
Since spirituality isn't something you can just mass-produce or consume like a fast-food burger, it might actually be completely immune to Mammon and all the other distractions.

If you elevate yourself through culture enough... do you eventually enter that transcendental realm? 🤔
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:🙂

Spot on—you're getting pretty close to what I'm driving at...

Seriously, these three traits of being part of a community are universal—just like culture, which is everywhere. No group or individual is ever truly "outside" of it.

Religion and culture are "relatives"... religion provides the orientation and the standards for a community so its members can actually find their place or identity in the world.

Also, when is belief actually "set aside"... when do you stop "believing in God as a person"? That's a massive oversimplification.

Is it something that might "transcend earthly reality"?
That could just as easily be the power of the state or capital—basically Julius Caesar and Mammon stepping in after "God is dead" and the moral order collapses.

"The space of the sacred is never empty..."—not even in an age of total secularization... and certainly not in a space filled with idolatry.

Does art help? For some, yeah, sure.
Science? Less and less...

Nobody is "outside," and sometimes one type of attachment acts as a counterweight to another—if nothing else, it lets us see those finer layers of the web.

Of course, when religion just becomes another tool in Caesar's kit, then things get really ugly...

That’s exactly it... nobody and nothing exists "outside" because it's simply impossible. Everything that exists is defined by its relationship to something else. I don't think we're necessarily talking about that suffocating, almost parasitic kind of clinging—just basic interconnectedness. It's a concept that science, art, and spirituality can all weigh in on; it really just comes down to what resonates with you personally. For some, religion provides that framework for relating to other people, the world, and life itself. But that hasn't sat well with everyone for a long time, and you can't exactly turn back the clock on history. In my opinion, we don't need to try and transcend our physical reality; we just need to stop being stuck in our own mental trenches. We have to accept that there isn't one single, universal truth for everyone, other than the fact that we are all human.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
frozengull2 said:You actually posted this in the wrong section. The 'Parenting' forum is a few floors up. 🙂

I mean... honestly? It's pretty damn hard to quit sugar.
Yeah, I double-checked. They're still there.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
frozengull2 said:Hmm...

I’ve been preaching the gospel on personalized religion for a long time now—honestly, just let people do their own thing. If you want to pick a path that actually makes sense to you, go for it. Design your own spiritual vibe or just straight-up ignore the whole messy concept if it doesn't click. It's pretty simple, really. Just like how bodies aren't some cookie-cutter standard, minds aren't either. There's zero point in trying to force a "one size fits all" mentality on everyone when we're all wired differently.

I don't know if you guys have kids or what, but anyone with even a shred of experience knows how this goes. If you let a toddler decide their own menu—like, if you give them the choice between some carrots, broccoli, or spinach—they aren't picking the veggies. Not a chance. They’re going straight for the Milka. Every single time. It's like they're hardwired for sugar.
If you let him have his way, he wouldn't stop snacking on Milka until he literally burst. Seriously.
It’s honestly ridiculous... the second you try to shove even a little bit of healthy greens under someone's nose, they immediately start acting like you're some kind of dietary tyrant. Like, chill out. I was just trying to tell my buddy to eat a salad instead of those greasy burgers he lives on, and suddenly I'm the villain in his life story. It's getting old. (cruel destroyer of freedom of choice)Just wait until the waterworks start flowing...
Movies!

Man, this whole chocolate obsession thing just reminds me of that old New Age "do what thou wilt" nonsense—you know, that whole "your will shall be the whole of the law" vibe. It’s exactly like that. It’s all about that obsessive, hyper-focused self-centeredness where you just insist on doing whatever you want, regardless of how much chaos or fallout it causes for everyone else. Just total ego trip stuff.
She's talking; I basically lived on nothing but chocolate growing up, and honestly? Nobody was ever gonna tell me "no." It was my whole world... just pure sugar bliss, shubi dubi dubi...!

You actually posted this in the wrong section. The 'Parenting' forum is a few floors up. 🙂
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:Yeah... it's not even necessary, what's the point...

When it comes to personalized religions, I've been an advocate for that for ages—let everyone pick whatever fits them best, design their own thing, or just ignore the whole mess entirely. Just like bodies aren't one-size-fits-all, minds aren't either, so there's zero sense in forcing one standard on everyone.

That might be spirituality or a worldview... religion and morality can't just be "private phenomena," even if certain faiths keep splintering off endlessly.

Belief, behavior, and belonging ("believe, behave, belong") are the core pillars of any religion...

That's pretty rough.

But hey, if that kind of thing works for someone... who am I to judge?
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
rustymaker5 said:Science can't possibly be the sole gateway to truth, if nothing else because its supposed objectivity is a total myth when you consider that every single researcher is inevitably operating from a subjective standpoint... Certain scientific breakthroughs would almost certainly look completely different if they had been achieved by people with entirely different perspectives or worldviews. And honestly, the constant bickering and bitter infighting we see within academic circles just proves my point...
I’m not exactly a man of science myself, but these shifts hit home for me when I think about things like medical breakthroughs or the pharmaceutical industry. It seems like massive changes are brewing in those fields, where the standard American medical model—the kind we've all grown up with—is slowly being pushed aside in favor of something new, like personalized medicine... because people are finally realizing the human body isn't some universal machine, and that every individual is a unique psycho-physical entity, meaning a drug might work for one person but be totally ineffective, or even lethal, for another.
If scientists had actually embraced that kind of holistic approach much earlier, maybe half these illnesses wouldn't even exist, and we wouldn't be living in a world where medicine has "advanced" so much that they can find a specific pill for every single ailment imaginable.

That part about medicine makes sense, but it’s hard to imagine us needing "personalized" physics, math, or chemistry.

As for personalized religion, I've been an advocate for that for quite a while now. People should be free to choose whatever faith fits them best, design their own spiritual path, or just ignore the whole thing entirely. Just as our bodies aren't one-size-fits-all, our minds aren't either. There's really no sense in trying to force a single standard on everyone.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
loneskipper10 said:And yet, myths tend to be true.

I think you might have things a bit mixed up. Greek tragedy is built on myth. America is built on corruption. 🧐
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:So, it’s not just about what your parents wanted. There, we've finally settled that little debate. 👍

We haven't really "settled" anything since I'm not a religious person. Honestly, reading through other people's posts here helped me wrap my head around where your beliefs are coming from, so we can probably move past that. Now, I'm just wondering why you're asking people on a spirituality forum about "clearing emotions" instead of just asking your own guru.🤷
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
casualmoose82 said:But what if God doesn't actually care what you do?

Then I don't really care about Him either. ☕

To be honest, I'm pretty indifferent... to the point where I don't even care if He exists. And if He does (which I doubt), I couldn't care less about what He wants. He's just not on my radar.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:The truth of a matter doesn't depend on how hard I try to prove it, and honestly, feel free to go ahead and list all those religions where people just stumble into faith by total accident without any logic behind it. I’ve personally never run into one, so why don't you educate me, 🙂

You're trying to Distort things. If you look at most faiths, the entire reason and purpose for a human being's existence—just like everything else—really boils down to two words: God's will.

So, it’s not like you were trying to rule or control material reality or anything like that. God willed it, and you don't get a vote. How you choose to deal with that is entirely up to you.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
frozenstag9 said:Kids shouldn't have to deal with all those heavy emotions—if Mom and Dad have enough good karma, they’ll end up doing all the emotional heavy lifting for them until they're seventy!

🤣👍
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:Look, I wasn't talking about how the universe started, I was talking about why we're actually here.

Are you absolutely sure they're claiming humans were born without any purpose or reason?

Exactly—God is just a giant jukebox meant to grant everyone's wishes. 👍

The real question is whether you're such an idiot that you wish for something stupid—which, let's be honest, happens way more often than people wishing for anything smart.

What do you mean "niche"?
The whole concept of having to surrender control and your entire self to some higher being who takes over—that’s not rare at all. You see that everywhere, from major mainstream religions to basic shamanism.

Remember when you tried to explain to me that theology isn't about gods and deities? That really stuck with me. 😁I just happened to be well-mannered enough not to laugh in your face.

That’s exactly why I think your perspective is pretty unconventional. Look, you’re more than entitled to your own view, but if you want to present it as an objective fact—to actually convince someone else—you'll need to bring more to the table than just citing statistics on how many people claim a religion.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:Every single religion out there operates on the idea that there's some kind of underlying purpose or reason why we're even here.
Sure, your physical body is just biology—conception, cells, all that jazz—but your spirit, or soul, or whatever you want to call it... that's supposed to come from some higher calling.

No religion on this planet claims that everything is just a massive, random accident.

People say all sorts of things. But this take you have about control is actually a pretty rare perspective. Besides, if we wanted to get into religious fantasies, there's another subforum for that.
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:Look, man, if you really think that’s the whole story, then fine—believe whatever helps you sleep at night. 🤷 Just don't come crying to me when reality hits, because honestly? Your take is like 1% of what people actually think. If anything, I should be the one looking at you like you've lost your mind. 😁

I don't know, I just believe it because it actually makes sense to me.
If life in this world just happens regardless of what we want, then it feels fundamentally unfair. Why does one guy end up with all the cash while another is broke? Why is one person loved by everyone and another totally isolated? Why is one person healthy while another is struggling with illness?

Karma is the only thing that adds up, but let's face it—we can't control the laws of karma even if we tried our hardest. Only God can mess with the laws of nature.

It's that classic moment where some guy is mocking you, but he's talking such absolute nonsense that you can't help but laugh in his face. 🙏 🙏

To be honest, your stats don't really hold much water. Actually, you’re probably the first person I've ever heard make that argument... which is likely my own fault, since I didn't exactly have the patience to sit through a lecture while someone tried to explain the nuances of it all. 🤷
Should we let go of our feelings? in Spirituality ·
David Vaughn75 said:Food is basically the prerequisite that lets you actually *do* anything else in life.
The material world exists to serve the spiritual one.

Nobody is telling you that you can't enjoy material things; I don't see the issue there. 🤷 It's just that if you take a real good look around, the world is absolutely crawling with suffering, violence, despair, wars, hunger, and tragedy. Does that sound like a "good" state of affairs to you, or does it feel like something needs to change? If you think this current mess is fine, then hey, no problem.

All this suffering stems from the illusion that matter is going to bring you happiness. Spoiler alert: it won't. You've got billionaires, actors, pop stars—people who have everything the world has to offer—and they’re still miserable. A person gets exactly what they always wanted, and as soon as they grab it, they start eyeing something new. That's just how the material world works; it's a bottomless pit that can never be filled.
Wealthy nations have access to every resource on the planet, yet they still go to war and snatch resources from other countries.
People were born into this material existence because they wanted to rule, they wanted control, but it's all an illusion. True, absolute control belongs only to God, and once you finally realize that, that's when you actually experience freedom.

Maybe for you. Personally, I was born because my parents felt like hooking up. 🤷
Caught completely off guard in Spirituality ·
Isabella, is this the friend you were talking about? 🍿
Caught completely off guard in Spirituality ·
Morgan Peterson6 said:Man, this Gnostic rambling is just too much!😁
Well, we've definitely been talking about this lately—I feel like we're always circling back to it, right?
I don't hold it against him—honestly, that's just how his mind works—it's hard to get past that, you know?
He’s honestly way smarter than me—so when he starts laying out his arguments, I usually just shut up. It’s hard to argue when everything I feel intuitively, deep down in my soul, is just... programmed logic to him, you know?
Unlike him, I'm incredibly intuitive—I really rely on my gut feeling to guide me through things. Don't you just love that inner compass?
It’s all just some big program to him—just those New Age theories about us being nothing more than puppets for some higher entities? Is he serious?
It really isn't garbage—honestly!
So she basically decided to play hero and take it upon herself to "help" him—which means I guess I'm the only jerk in this whole situation?

The official forum term for you would be a 'doormat.' 🕺

Besides, negative entities are getting pretty out on the New Jersey scene. From what I've heard lately, they've all hopped into their spaceships and headed straight into the fog because earthly vibrations are rising so fast that even the lizard people and their crowd just can't handle it anymore. 😁
Caught completely off guard in Spirituality ·
Morgan Peterson6 said:I definitely do! :-)
I've got feeders all over my backyard—though I'll admit, I end up tossing some scraps to those pesky city pigeons too
My absolute favorites have to be crows—I just love them—but I'm also partial to magpies and jays

If I’m following you correctly... you sit there listening to his constant Gnostic rambling, try to bond with him by talking about your love for birds... and then Mr. Gloomy just dismisses you instantly with a "those are just programs"?

Maybe I’m being too impulsive or lacking empathy here... but if someone came at me with that kind of rudeness, I’d give them such a reality check they'd finally understand what it feels like to actually take flight. 🙂

Sorry, but to me, that just sounds like a total jerk. I mean, even birds might leave a mess on your balcony sometimes, but at least they’re pleasant to look at and better company than people like that.