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Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Yeah, honestly. Before I realized what my actual cosmic purpose was, I used to think all this knowledge had to be "useful" in a practical sense. You know, stuff to help pass exams, land a better job, help people out, or become self-sufficient. Or even solving global issues—which I touched on briefly with Peter Murphy6, but I’m kind of over talking about that there, so I'll bring it here. Anyway, we were discussing how Clive and Jane are basically responsible for poverty in developing nations:

Jane is taking out loans for things Clive sold her back when he was still a nobody. Now, she wants to lock Clive up because life has made her a little high-strung. She doesn't even believe in her own work anymore, but she keeps peddling that whole "Green is the new red" sustainability nonsense just because of the debt and because she still can't wrap her head around why anyone actually pays her for this job—especially since she just treated herself to a year and a half's worth of Xanax. It looks like rain, so she's going to kill some time trying to make ash soap. What would you two advise Jane? (And please, don't suggest she starts drinking; Jane gets a bit aggressive when she's had a few).
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
On this pretty cheesy Facebook group, someone started a discussion about the whole purpose of human existence—you know, our main mission on Earth and all that. People were throwing out all sorts of answers, though most of them were predictably cringey. The second I read it, my mind jumped straight to "collecting data." I got a few likes and a comment along the lines of, "Yeah, like a probe, then you submit your report to the main headquarters." 🤣

I’m not entirely sure I buy into this idea of a "cosmic HQ," whatever that might be, but I am incredibly conscientious about carrying out my mission. If such a thing actually exists, they surely have some high-end database where they don't just dump every random scrap of info. Everything needs to be organized perfectly, double-spaced, properly cited, including original research, a new thesis, an abstract, and all that jazz. My only issue is that I have no idea when my deadline is, so I’m just trying to stay constantly prepared while keeping up with my actual day job. 😬

Basically, I feel like I need to know everything. And I mean knowing it well enough to explain it to a six-year-old. Otherwise, what was the point of my mission? To be clear, I'm not talking about trivial trivia. I assume they already know when World War I started; they need me to answer the "why." So lately, I've been obsessing over the planned Berlin-Baghdad railway, the morganatic marriage of Ferdinand and Sofia, and even my online friend who made a movie about the assassination (he got banned because his sense of humor is way too surreal, and honestly, I miss him sometimes even if he is a total jerk. 🤣

Anyway, non-linear thinking is just a way of organizing data so that it lasts longer and stays ready for delivery. Linear thinking is for other things. Like putting together a lamp from Ikea or some crap. Or constructing coherent sentences. Math, physics—though maybe not quantum physics. Some physicists at Berkeley used to take acid just to get a little more non-linear. Other people, on the other hand, completely lost their minds from it, like that asshole from the CIA who performed self-defense on himself during some bad party back in the day... I can't remember the name. Google knows it, so I won't bother looking it up. Screw a HQ that doesn't even have access to Google. ☕
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
5-9-3. Doesn't really feel very numerically balanced, does it? 😁

That five, though... it describes me pretty accurately, even if I’ve spent a lot of time shifting toward 7 when things get stressful or 8 when I'm feeling more integrated. I actually took some random, low-quality online quiz recently and it spit out an 8, which honestly made my day.

🙂
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Roger Kern16 said:I'm just not cut out to be an INTJ. 😳

Btw, what are the odds that some of these functions actually shift down the line... like, swapping an I for an E, or a P for a J? Whether it’s just aging or actual intentional work. I have to admit, I'm kind of curious what it's like to actually be an ENTP, an INFJ, or an ENFJ.

Since this is a Jungian system, the goal isn't really to change who you are, but rather to become more aware of how you function. You should stay as consistent as a classic rock legend, but once those neglected functions start waking up, adjusting your behavior becomes much easier when life calls for it. Becoming extroverted isn't actually that hard; you just learn by imitating others and refine it with practice. People who only know me on a surface level think I'm an E because they have no idea that after playing the role of the charming socialite, I need to retreat to my room and hide under a blanket for a few hours just to recover. Basically, I'm socially exhausted even when I haven't had a drink. 😁

The whole thing with the J preference started making sense to me after I played around with my Fi function and realized I actually have that little internal voice telling me when something just doesn't feel right. Honestly, I'm as thrilled about this discovery as a toddler finding out they're a big kid. Up until now, it was always, "I can't make a decision because I don't have enough data," but now, I don't give a damn—I just look at whether I like something or not and go with that. Fi is great; you just have to trust it. (In your case, a similar thing might happen once you start trusting your own private thoughts more and ditch the feeling that everyone else knows something you don't. They don't—they're just acting like they do.)

As for triple results, that shouldn't happen within this framework. If it does, you probably need to look for a different system entirely. The Enneagram is also pretty interesting; it recognizes tritypes and offers more concrete directions for personal growth.
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
No matter where you go, you always end up getting too attached. It’s a classic pattern. That's how you'll never actually learn to think for yourself. 🙂
Am I weird just because I'm not like everyone else? in Psychology & Therapy ·
As this thread keeps moving along, I’m honestly finding it harder and harder to pin down what the actual issue is here. ☕

It actually reminds me of a movie where a girl comes out to her parents, and they just shrug and say, "Okay, cool." Then, fifteen years later, she’s basically berating them on camera, asking how they could have been so indifferent. Because back then, she told them who she was, and they just gave her a lukewarm response. Her mother even asks her, "Well, what did you want us to do? Should we have thrown a big party?" And the daughter—who’s a grown woman and a director now—just replies, "Yeah, I wanted you to throw a party."

Honestly, I’m at a loss. What am I even supposed to say to that? 🤷
Am I weird just because I'm not like everyone else? in Psychology & Therapy ·
Douglas Rogers5 said:Haha, I know how that sounds... I totally misspoken there.
It’s more like one of those skills that helps me see the bigger picture.
I only brought it up to give an idea of just how deep into this field I actually am.

I get where you're coming from. Look, I'm not forcing anything on myself right now. My current rhythm actually leaves plenty of breathing room for both myself and others, so my mental and physical health aren't taking a hit. Whatever the future throws at me, I'll deal with it and move on.
People change, people grow up, and nobody stays the same person forever—and I'm no exception.
It might sound intense when I say I work all day, but I'm not some robot with a rigid schedule from 7:00 to 8:00 AM detailing every single move I make... 😵🤣
It’s more like this: hit the gym, shower, grab breakfast, then head to college. When I get back from class, I take a 20-minute breather, then dive into studying for two or three hours. I handle whatever needs doing around the apartment—cleaning, cooking, whatever—then maybe squeeze in another hour or two of studying later. Plus, I spend a few hours on this "hobby," though it’s really becoming a full-blown career (there's still a long way to go before it's official). That’s basically it. I forgot to mention that I build in breaks between everything. I don't sit there with a stopwatch trying to whip myself into shape; I just work or study based on how much drive I actually have, whether it's a heavy day or a light one.
Obviously, if it's someone's birthday or something else comes up, the day looks different. All I meant to say was that I'm not some lunatic working non-stop without a break. 🙂

Look, if you aren't the one harassing us with penis enlargement gadgets and snake oil anti-fungal creams, then I honestly don't see what the issue is. 😁

Are you still living at home?
Am I weird just because I'm not like everyone else? in Psychology & Therapy ·
When it comes to internet marketing, I honestly doubt anyone is actually seeing any real benefits from it. ☕
Am I weird just because I'm not like everyone else? in Psychology & Therapy ·
Michael Lee75 said:I wouldn't go so far as to say you're crazy, honestly; there's nothing wrong with having ambitions and actually enjoying the grind, but if there isn't a single thing outside of your job that brings you any spark of joy, then yeah, that strikes me as a bit off. We don't exactly know what your line of work is, so I can't tell you if your career has some grander purpose or if you're just spinning your wheels for the sake of it. If you were, say, working at Mayo Clinic trying to develop a life-saving vaccine 😁, then I could wrap my head around that singular focus, but just working a job that doesn't serve any larger goal seems like a hollow way to spend your time. It doesn't have to be a medical breakthrough; it could be anything meaningful that leads toward something useful, beautiful, or even just genuinely interesting to you or the people around you. Otherwise, it feels less like living and more like you're just hiding from the world.

I'm with him on this one. 👍
ruggedraven36 said:Are traffic signs important or unimportant—or do they just exist? Is medicine important or unimportant—or does it just exist? Most things aren't just important; they wouldn't even exist if they weren't. You could practically define "unimportant" that way—it's just the stuff that *is*. How much something matters only makes sense once you actually know something about it and weigh it against everything else. If you're going to argue about what's important, you need actual arguments—otherwise, you might as well just decide importance by a show of hands.

Before they existed, they weren't important. The moment they showed up, they became essential. Existence itself is importance; you can't have an action without being present, and vice versa. :D
Well, she's finally back among the living. You... you absolute quantum necromancer! 🤣
🤣

But hey, if you hadn't opened it, you wouldn't have known, right? 🙂
From the perspective of quantum physics, this topic is simultaneously alive and dead. ☕
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Roger Kern16 said:
When it comes to sensing types, maybe they just seem boring to you. You probably dodge them because you aren't sure what you'd even talk about. It gets easier once you integrate Si—just find some sensory hobby like cooking, crochet, gardening, martial arts, or even pole dancing...

Yeah, it’s rare that we actually have something to talk about. Sometimes I feel like it's because they mostly stay on the surface level of things, but it's more likely that we just disagree on how deep we should dive into a topic.

After that, it’s your turn to work on integrating your inferior function (Te). You already have it, but you probably only tap into it during high-stress moments, usually just to spit out some perfectly crafted insult at someone who stepped on your toes. Your type is prone to those... well, let's call them "unique" value judgments. 🤣

So, how does inferior Te actually develop? I find myself slipping into this opposite, ice-cold rationalization mode where I don't even recognize myself... but that's usually when I feel threatened. So, stress-induced, maybe?

And then there's... the INFP person tendency toward complexes regarding their own Cognitive Styles. On one hand, they take pride in being unique and eccentric, but on the other, they desperately want to develop that linear, left-brain thinking. They end up gravitating toward fields like computer science, law, or similar professions that don't actually interest them much, but they think it'll help them "improve."


Both sides are kind of true. I would never disown my Cognitive Styles; they've saved my skin countless times when solving creative or crisis-level problems, and I've learned to rely on them. But I also catch myself doing this weird mental left-brain gymnastics, like playing chess and stuff... mostly because I feel like that side of my brain is totally atrophied. 🤣

Anyway, thanks for explaining these cognitive functions. I've never really dug into them this deeply before.

http://infj-mbti.tumblr.com/post/121...-the-functions

This gives you a pretty solid breakdown of how functions develop. Based on this diagram, the way you approach things like chess or similar mental gymnastics is actually developing Ti, not Te. (I find that fascinating, because I often catch myself deep in these Fi activities, and both of those feel more like tinkering with a "devilish" eighth function rather than an inferior fourth.)

I’d also suggest another useful way to work on Te: debating on forums. And I don't mean just casual reading, sharing personal stories, or agreeing with people—I mean getting into the weeds. (Within the forum rules, obviously, because I don't want to sound like I'm encouraging bad behavior here. 😬) You pick an opponent who is a "worthy adversary" and have a real debate with them on a specific topic. Forums are great for this because there's a written record—you can see when you let someone trigger a negative emotional reaction, when you resorted to cheap ad hominem attacks (which is your inferior Te under stress), and when you managed to stick to logical arguments and elegantly deflect their hits. Think of it like fencing; try to improve your technique. While you're at it, watch how others do it and try to mimic a maneuver you like. Or join a debate club. Or just watch those old romantic comedies where characters spend ninety minutes sniping at each other before finally falling into each other's arms. Something like that. You'll probably think of something else eventually. 😁
Mark Martin10 said:I honestly don't get why you're still hanging around here. Who are you trying to convince—that hitting kids is actually "good parenting"? You’re basically just a potential abuser, and there's really no point in debating someone like you. You heard what needed to be said.

If you ever decide to lay a hand on a child, go ahead and do it in public. Let everyone see what a "great" father you are. Just pray you don't run into someone like me.

Setting this specific case aside, I’ve noticed that people who enjoy being masochists seem to have quite a tendency toward this kind of thinking. ☕
Peter Murphy6 said:Regarding that second video—it looks like the kid is just mechanically memorizing the word "no." After a few minutes, you can tell the technique is already starting to lose its effectiveness. At that age, it seems like the best way to go, but hey, maybe I haven't stumbled upon a better method yet. Is there actually a better approach out there that isn't so brain-numbing for a toddler?
Maybe telling really engaging stories? 🤔

If they get too stuck on the word "no," wouldn't the kid "supposedly" start feeling some discomfort during those increasingly intense attempts to turn "no" into "yes"—and then react accordingly?

I can see the kid distinguishing the emotional vibe between "yes, I want that" and "no."

I don't see any reason why a kid should be getting smacked in either scenario.

As far as I'm concerned, this could be the key to the whole thing. PLEASE.

Hang on, just one more thought and I'm done with this thread... 🐔

The reason for the "smack"?
If I'm constantly repeating myself and explaining things—like, say, telling them not to stick their fingers in an outlet, or not to pull off the safety cover, or not to push a piece of furniture away from the wall with a sibling's help just so they can play with the outlet together... and if the kid just decides they aren't listening... then, seeing that "inappropriate" behavior, I might give them a little "tap" on the fingers. No anger, no rage, no frustration (especially since they interrupted me during a super important moment). Looking back, that tap would be more about grabbing their attention than being a "punishment." 🤔
And if they're *that* interested in electricity... uhm... honestly, I am too—we can be curious together. 🕺 Fire, knives, sharp edges... all that stuff...
Curiosity first, safety always! 🧐

And yeah, that's pretty much it.

Yeah, this isn't an experiment; it's pure sensationalism. (And let's be honest, even some of the most famous sociological studies didn't follow ethical principles or scientific methodology, but that's a whole other conversation.) Basically, it's blatant clickbait designed to trigger an emotional response using the cheapest methods possible.

After watching junk like this, it's hard to think straight. A mature person will want to wash their brain out with Clorox, while someone less mature will jump at the chance to spread moral panic. The opening post is a perfect illustration of that principle.

(Another cultural observation—those American moms are mostly Botoxed into looking unrecognizable. Sure, they look great now, but they have one issue: they can't frown. In fact, they can't really manage any serious facial expression at all. And as we've established, a child perceives a parent's facial expressions much more intensely than their words.)
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Roger Kern16 said:If this is just spam, then honestly, bring it on. I’m looking forward to more... 😬
I’m an INFP (scoring high on all four functions). Though, I’ve gotta say, Joseph Bailey41, you have me a bit puzzled when you claim the answer to this whole debate is hidden within the "N" function. Most people I know seem to be intuitive types too—I can barely find one close friend who leans toward "S" for some reason—yet almost none of them actually relate to the thought processes described on the previous pages. Maybe it’s just a percentage thing or something...

Edit: Actually, you mentioned that T is linear thinking while N is associative. If we follow that logic, associative thinking should be most prominent in those with an NF combination. Looking at the people around me, that actually seems to track quite well.

So, the functions follow this order: Fi, Ne, Si, Te / Fe, Ni, Se, Ti.
My cognitive styles look like this: Ti, Ne, Si, Fe / Te, Ni, Se, Fi.

Think of it this way: the functions higher up on your list are the ones you’re most conscious of—they're your go-to tools for navigating life. By the time you hit that fourth function, things start getting a little more complicated; most people don't truly wrap their heads around how it works until they're well into their thirties, and even then, it can feel like a total mystery. As for those functions ranked between five and eight? Opinions vary wildly on them; some people don't even consider them part of their core makeup.

So, it looks like we both share the same secondary function—extraverted intuition (Ne). Ever feel like your brain is constantly scanning the horizon for "what if" scenarios? That’s Extraverted Intuition (Ne) in action. It’s that restless, high-speed mental engine that doesn't just look at what *is*, but obsessively tracks all the possibilities of what *could be*. If you have this trait, you probably don't see objects; you see patterns. You don't just see a coffee cup; you see the history of ceramic manufacturing, the physics of heat retention, and the potential for a spilled mess all at once. It’s a way of processing the world by jumping from one idea to the next, creating a web of connections that others might miss entirely. But let’s be honest—it can be exhausting. When your mind is always playing "connect the dots," it’s incredibly easy to get lost in the weeds of theory and lose sight of reality. You might find yourself starting ten different projects because the initial spark was brilliant, only to stall out when the actual, boring work of execution kicks in. It’s a constant tug-of-war between pure inspiration and the practical need to actually finish something. The trick isn't to shut that creative engine off—that would be a waste of a perfectly good mind. Instead, it’s about learning how to ground those flashes of insight. It’s about finding a way to take that chaotic energy and funnel it into something tangible. If we can learn to marry that wild intuition with a bit of discipline, we stop being people who just dream and start being people who build.

I honestly see her as a perfect example of that non-linear way of thinking you described. It’s like this beautiful, creative chaos—connecting dots that don't seem to belong together. It sounds like she could never truly be bored because there's always some kind of movie playing in her head. The challenge, though, is finding a way to actually structure those thoughts and communicate them clearly. To make sense of it all, she has to run all that mental imagery through her primary function. In my case, that's my Ti. I take those internal experiences, break them down, turn them into theories, and then try to translate them into something people can actually understand. Essentially, I use linear logic to make sense of the non-linear. 😵

It feels like you’re filtering everything through Fi (Introverted Feeling), which is a function I honestly struggle to wrap my head around. I rarely get much insight from it, and when I do, it feels incredibly unreliable. That just isn't my lane. (Unless, of course, I'm caught in one of those sudden bursts of zealous idealism—thankfully, those don't last long enough for me to do any real damage to myself or the world.) 😬)

When it comes to sensing types, I get why you might find them a bit dull and avoid hanging out with them—it’s hard to find common ground when you feel like there’s nothing to talk about. It gets a lot easier once you start integrating your Si. Try picking up a sensory-focused hobby like cooking, knitting, gardening, martial arts, or even pole dancing. Once you do that, you can move on to integrating your inferior function, Te. You actually have it right now, but you probably only tap into it during high-stress moments, usually just to snap at someone with a perfectly timed, biting insult when they push your buttons. Your type tends to be really prone to those... well, let's call them "intense" value judgments. 🤣

So, here’s the thing... INFP people often struggle with these weird complexes regarding their own Cognitive Styles. On one hand, there's this sense of pride in being unique or a bit eccentric, but on the other, there’s this desperate urge to master that linear, "left-brain" way of thinking. It leads them to dive into fields like computer science, law, or other rigid professions they aren't even that passionate about, just because they feel they need to "fix" themselves. I definitely fell into that trap. That exact mindset is what drove my long-standing obsession with psychology, emotional theory, and all those topics that don't actually come naturally to me. I ended up collecting a massive mountain of data on the subject, and now I can basically obsess over those facts until the end of time—mostly because, deep down, I’ve realized I actually just love data. 😁
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
I get what you mean. I’ve been really curious about Fi lately—it’s actually the function I struggle with most—so this whole thing about projection is pretty fascinating. But let's move on; we're starting to drift into spam territory here. Roger Kern16 is going to take us straight to the top and then off to Mars. 😵
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Rachel Stewart36 said:Life rarely follows a predictable script; shit happens. 😁

Maybe I associated your handle with negative vibes because I still remember you calling everyone in that one thread intellectual midgets.

I guess that's why I see you as a bit of a snob. Not necessarily a bad thing, though. 😁

I can't recall the specific instance, but that's my go-to tactic whenever someone really gets under my skin. On the flip side, you struck me as being somewhat manipulative for some reason, which is something that drives me crazy. See, this is exactly why women can't just be reduced to equations—hormones tend to mess everything up. 😬

Anyway, since we've wandered off on this tangent and you're studying that MBTI stuff... what's your take on the shadow functions 5 through 8? Do you think they're accessible or totally out of reach?
Thought processes and associativity in Psychology ·
Rachel Stewart36 said:Are you really trying to explain this to me? 😁

No need for the lecture. I've been digging into MBTI for nearly a decade now. For the record—I'm an INFJ according to their system. I know enough. 🥳

Back to topic.

In that case, we should get along famously. So, what's our catch? 🤔