Posts by Steven Garcia3

Terry Lee3 said:Why the provocation? If you're just here to stir the pot, just get lost from this thread...☕
After all those long-winded posts, dropping a comment this stupid feels like something a toddler would do... what's your point even...🤷

I need to say this because some guy on the forum got a little offended when I mentioned that compared to the Boys, the only group in America I’d compare us to is Torac. Then he started hyping up Armada, talking about how hard it is to support the local squad, complaining about bans—which, by the way, you guys probably deal with more than any other serious group—and all that other nonsense. Forget it! Man up and just admit where you stand now compared to where you were a few years ago, just like I'm admitting we aren't even the same crew we were two years ago. And then some teenager tries to correct my stadium attendance numbers? Honestly, who cares if I said 300, 400, or 500? It doesn't matter. The point is that there are barely any people left and the whole fan scene is a mess. Armada is declining, we are in a massive slump, one specific cohort is an embarrassment, and Torac is the only group in the entire country actually moving forward. We don't need to dodge the truth. We can insult each other, provoke, and pick up bans to act like big shots on the internet if you want, but what does that actually achieve? I have my opinion, and frankly, when some kid tries to lecture me on it, it really gets under my skin. I said what I said. I’m trying to look at our situation realistically; it would be nice if others did the same.

BTW...that "in the world" comment reminded me of something... like everyone else, I was curious so I went digging through that Mexican fan section again... My God!! I can't believe how pathetic we Americans can be, turning around to spit on ourselves, insult ourselves, and air our dirty laundry in front of Mexicans... seriously!!! Like calling the Boys "zero," or saying Armada is the worst fan group in the world, then mentioning Catholic and the rest, etc., etc.—all of it is "great"... but we're willing to embarrass and mock ourselves like that in front of Mexicans??... it's a tragedy!!

It's fine when it's just kids and wannabes online selling smoke and mirrors. But when prominent figures from the American Forum—people like Spitke, who treats it like a joke despite being a pillar of our scene, or someone like Catholic, who first betrayed his group, then his city, and is now betraying the entire American fan scene—well, kudos to them for their legacy, but... there's no need for a sequel. We all knew about UF, we all knew about the guy who snuck a Mexican into the North Stand, so what? Is that just for internet clout? You can't expect anything from the kids when the legends themselves are setting such a terrible example, behaving like total degenerates!

If you want to believe it: The Armada is the best in the world!

analogsailor16 said:? 😕

I don't get it, I honestly feel like even Kohorta is stepping up their game...

Look, I said they’ve lost their moral compass. They’ll figure out why eventually—after turning themselves into media celebrities and constantly talking trash about the capital and The Boys, they kept up those "fair and honest" supporter antics while still acting shady. Honestly, they're worse than our politicians. Whatever hype they're getting is just noise; in the eyes of any decent fan or regular person, they've hit rock bottom.

Terry Lee3 said:Having over 110 people show up under these circumstances is pretty solid if you ask me... nobody's blaming The Boys for not showing up in Small town in USA, so why would Armada... again, about 70 Armada fans were detained in a small city in USA just because one tiny little group messed around with The 12th Man on the way (they got banned for a year)...☕

I can see exactly what kind of crowd is in that photo, and honestly, anyone can see it. 110 people at an Adriatic derby is weak in my book—just like our 250 in Zapresic or 600 at Maksimir was weak. You have to be realistic. And don't give me that crap; I showed you that picture of 1,000 people in total delirium during one of the biggest European losses in club history, but I wasn't expecting that level of madness or turnout from you guys in Cleveland. Mainly because, no offense, I can't compare BBB to any other group in America except The 12th Man. But when someone who is ultimately an Armada fan tells me that being in a half-dead state—blaming it on being down 2-0 by the 25th minute—is below supporter standards, they're right. Only a fool would expect London-level energy from you, but you have to admit one thing: when you think you can actually play well and beat a Tottenham 4-0, then trust me, you're in more trouble than when you spend an hour and a half driving down to the Stadium for a game where you aren't even expecting a win. That’s exactly why I expected some chaos at the Stadium. When a loss is inevitable, most of us with even a little bit of away experience know how it goes: if you don't go absolutely nuts, the vibe on the bus or train ride home is usually dead silent. I expected that from you, but like I said, the whole scene outside of The 12th Man is declining—whether it's the quality of groups like yours, the quantity of groups like ours, or the morality of Kohorta.

Andrew White32 said:What did you expect? Everyone stripping down to their underwear and passing out from cheering because the game was basically over by the 25th minute?

Well... maybe, but besides the 12th man, every supporter group in America is losing steam, especially the fleet. Honestly, this whole display from the fleet was pathetic. They shouldn't have even bothered with those home-printed signs in Cyrillic; now everyone's going to take pictures and see exactly how few people actually showed up to cheer.

Brenda Ross47 said:While the Leftists claim they’re more tolerant and liberal... if that’s not a measure of intelligence, I don't know what is 😉

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...
Every time the left was in power, you could smell the stench of death from miles away.

The left isn't the same thing as communism, but the real issue in this country is the low number of highly educated people. Education broadens your horizons; it changes how you see things. You start to realize, for instance, that the Democratic Party isn't a communist cell and the Republican Party isn't just a group of 90s crooks. The reality is we split ourselves into "left" and "right" way too much when there's hardly any difference. Sure, one side might prefer a tax hike while the other wants a cut, but everything that actually matters for America—monetary policy, healthcare, global integration, education—is basically just shades of gray. Your issue is conflating liberal and social-democratic options with communism. They aren't the same, though I get why you feel that way. Extreme regimes, whether they wear red or black, always end up bloody because that's the only way they survive, much like how the center-left and center-right options often look identical. I'm not trying to bash anyone, but look at the state of things in America: the most developed area, definitely the city with the highest concentration of educated folks, is Washington, D.C., where the Democratic Party has held sway for 8 years. It would have been even longer if not for certain distractions, and they’ll likely hold it again in the next election. It's the city with the highest standard of living and the best salaries, even if expenses are high, because it’s actually moving forward. I remember what it was like back when Dropulic was mayor, and regardless of my personal feelings toward Bandic, the fact remains that with Hercegovac running the show, Washington, D.C. is working and making progress. People are living well, plain and simple. On the flip side, the Democratic Party and the Localist Party have pretty much always run things in Istria, which is our most developed region. It leads the trends in tourism, both in the summer and increasingly during the off-season. Some people might try to trash them by claiming they're ruled by Italian fascists, but that’s just typical extreme right-wing nonsense used when someone runs out of actual arguments. Personally, I'm not a fan of Damir Kajin's political maneuvering either—like banning Thompson while Madonna is an honorary guest in the same city—but that’s a whole different ballgame. In a place like the county near Columbus, which is a good example for all non-coastal areas, standards are steadily rising, and the Liberal Party seems to have been in charge there. The bottom line is that the most prosperous parts of America are "under the rule" of left-leaning parties. Meanwhile, places like Memphis, Indianapolis, or the rural South—where the percentage of highly educated people is lower—are the strongholds for the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party, and others. It comes down to a mindset shaped by heavy wartime trauma; even today, they vote "against communists" while their party coalitions with minority interests. It's about mentality, a difficult past, and education levels. I'm not saying the Democratic Party is the cure-all, but I truly don't understand the mindset of people in the Midwest or the South who, for 15 years now, have voted for the exact same party without ever listening to the opposition. They spend those 15 years complaining about how hard life is or how there are no jobs, yet they keep voting for the same people like sheep. I honestly don't get it.

darkfox5 said:That whole leftist "non-violence" thing is pretty easy to stomach when you realize that back in 1991, when Milanović was only twenty-five, he was busy hiding out in some basement—while certain "Right-wingers" were out there actually fighting bravely during the American Civil War!

Give me a break, we’re talking about the world today. My old man is a lefty and my uncle votes Democratic, yet both of them served in combat. Don't conflate patriotism with your political party, especially here in America where we split over tiny nuances between red and blue. Leftist societies tend to be more progressive and liberal, which makes them more adaptable to change. It’s no coincidence that in those Scandinavian countries—where life is arguably best—left-leaning parties have held power for most of the last sixty years.

ironcyclist25 said:The reality is that right-wing parties currently hold power in 15 out of the 27 European Union nations. In four other countries, the largest center-right parties are governing through what are essentially grand coalitions with the left.☕
The fact is, leftist rule dominates much of the "progressive" world—countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Colombia, China, Tajikistan, Vietnam, Congo, Somalia, and Burma.
These facts are absolute nonsense.🙂

When I said "progressive" countries, I was thinking more along the lines of Sweden, Finland (where the Right is in power now, though they've only held office for about eight years total since WWII), England, Ireland, Spain, the US, Japan, and the Netherlands...

It’s an objective reality that in our most powerhouse, top-tier US cities—places that operate on a completely different level than everywhere else—the liberals hold the reins. And if you look at the actual progress made, most of the heavy lifting happens under their watch. People keep voting them in, too. I mean, it’s probably not because they’re doing a bad job.
The fact is, the most prosperous regions in America are consistently led by liberals, and voters keep picking them. It’s not like they're failing.
Look at the global stage: the most advanced nations are increasingly leaning toward left-leaning leadership.

On the flip side, the conservatives tend to run the show in the poorest, most struggling parts of the country, where you see much lower percentages of middle-class and college-educated residents.
Basically, the areas in America with the lowest standards of living are the ones constantly voting for the right.
The pattern holds: conservative parties usually hold power in countries facing major struggles and those with low levels of higher education.