Europe is worried about Turkish birth rates, while Turkey is worried about Kurdish birth rates
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feralwolf92 said:Listen, man... Turkey isn't America. They aren't going to settle for that "us against the Russians, 300 million strong" vibe, or just bark whenever NATO says something and Markan starts screaming about how much we're "crushing it."
Turkey wants equal footing, a seat at the table just like Germany, or they don't want in at all.
Obviously, the new government—which is actually decent, the first good one since the 1920s—knows that a progressive, liberal Europe will never sign off on them. There's this blatant, thinly veiled hatred toward Muslims in general, which is only going to widen the gap between the Turkish people and the EU... and honestly, that's exactly what the new government wants. They want to undo everything Mustafa Kemal Atatürk achieved in terms of Westernizing the Turks.
Of course, the real endgame for the Islamic Turkish government is to wipe out the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk "Pasha" (something the EU is helping them do with its current stance) and pivot elsewhere—specifically toward Iran and Russia, and eventually an independent Egypt. The potential in that region is massive compared to the EU. The EU is basically a nursing home waiting to go extinct. There's no future there. Plus, they aren't even independent; they're just vassals and servants to the USA, which is already in imperial decline.😢
I’m with you there 100%. 🙂
feralwolf92 said:Listen, man... Turkey isn't America. They aren't going to settle for that "us against the Russians, 300 million strong" vibe, or just bark whenever NATO says something and Markan starts screaming about how much we're "crushing it."
Turkey wants equal footing, a seat at the table just like Germany, or they don't want in at all.
Obviously, the new government—which is actually decent, the first good one since the 1920s—knows that a progressive, liberal Europe will never sign off on them. There's this blatant, thinly veiled hatred toward Muslims in general, which is only going to widen the gap between the Turkish people and the EU... and honestly, that's exactly what the new government wants. They want to undo everything Mustafa Kemal Atatürk achieved in terms of Westernizing the Turks.
Of course, the real endgame for the Islamic Turkish government is to wipe out the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk "Pasha" (something the EU is helping them do with its current stance) and pivot elsewhere—specifically toward Iran and Russia, and eventually an independent Egypt. The potential in that region is massive compared to the EU. The EU is basically a nursing home waiting to go extinct. There's no future there. Plus, they aren't even independent; they're just vassals and servants to the USA, which is already in imperial decline.😢
And I agree with this, too. 👍
But that’s just how it plays out. Between its indecision and general lack of backbone, the EU ends up aiding every single "disruptor" out there—all those small, scattered factors pushing their own agendas. Usually, we're talking about extremists of one kind or another. You see it from Heider, through the twins of the Polish president and prime minister, Václav Klaus, the current Canadian political elite, and so on and so forth...
feralwolf92 said:Listen, man... Turkey isn't America. They aren't going to settle for that "us against the Russians, 300 million strong" vibe, or just bark whenever NATO says something and Markan starts screaming about how much we're "crushing it."
Turkey wants equal footing, a seat at the table just like Germany, or they don't want in at all.
Obviously, the new government—which is actually decent, the first good one since the 1920s—knows that a progressive, liberal Europe will never sign off on them. There's this blatant, thinly veiled hatred toward Muslims in general, which is only going to widen the gap between the Turkish people and the EU... and honestly, that's exactly what the new government wants. They want to undo everything Mustafa Kemal Atatürk achieved in terms of Westernizing the Turks.
Of course, the real endgame for the Islamic Turkish government is to wipe out the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk "Pasha" (something the EU is helping them do with its current stance) and pivot elsewhere—specifically toward Iran and Russia, and eventually an independent Egypt. The potential in that region is massive compared to the EU. The EU is basically a nursing home waiting to go extinct. There's no future there. Plus, they aren't even independent; they're just vassals and servants to the USA, which is already in imperial decline.😢
Exactly. Though, honestly, I won't touch the Egypt situation—it's way too tied up in US interests. Russia's position is just as bizarre: they absolutely crushed the Chechens—brutally so—and then suddenly they're playing nice and cooperating with other Muslim states whenever it suits them. And the weirdest part? They get away with it every single time.