Posts by Jerry Robinson56

fadedranger162 said:Maui
Size: 115 square miles
Population: 11,500

Washington, D.C.
Size: 247 square miles
Population: ~780,000

What kind of insane island spread are we even talking about here? I mean, look at the math. We’re dealing with an area twice as large as Maui, plus there are almost 80 times more people in the D.C. area for this thing to actually tear through. It's not even a fair comparison.

The issue is that you’ve got a few dozen people gathering from all over Maui—not even anyone infected, if I had to guess—just for one day to hold a procession while following every single rule to the letter. So why is it suddenly a massive crisis when thousands of Washingtonians are out wandering around Lake Tahoe, trekking up Mount Rainier, or just hitting the streets of D.C. every single day? You're talking a lot of double standards here.

You're making assumptions about Washington, D.C., yet I traverse this city in all directions multiple times almost every day. And frankly, nearly everyone adheres to the rules...
Let me reiterate: the raw number is irrelevant! For heaven's sake, understand this once: if an infection occurs, you will at least know who was standing near you. It isn't like some stranger from deep within D.C. or someone from Maui. That is the crux of the matter. In your own community, you actually recognize the people around you; elsewhere, you don't.

Joseph Taylor11 said:where you can actually move around normally without needing permits...

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Honestly, it doesn't matter. No matter how much you try to justify this permit system—it's flawed. The way it’s been designed? It just doesn't work. Maybe it was built with good intentions, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's a mess. And I'm not just shouting into the void here; it's not just my opinion or a few people on this forum anymore. Most people are starting to see it for what it is... even the local news reporters have finally started asking the tough questions... so, yeah... 🤷

I am not justifying the permits themselves; I am merely explaining why some level of oversight is necessary. From that standpoint, I support the existence of permits. Since I don't personally use them, I'm not intimately involved in the application process, but it’s obvious from the numbers that they are being issued without much trouble.
However, you have to realize that this was the only way to get anything done. Imagine if sick people were just wandering around aimlessly... far from their own homes, or even traveling from tiny rural towns while infected...

I hope it’s clear now why I emphasized the concept of "location" or localization.

Nicole Lee74 said:Give me a break... you guys and your Maui procession.
If you have a hundred people crowded together on a sidewalk or in a fake version of Central Park every single day with only two feet of space between them, why on earth couldn't an outdoor event happen on Maui!?
What is wrong with you? Try letting your irritation with the church stop you from seeing things clearly.

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a499279...jte-VIDEO.html

Last night, the "Procession of the Cross" took place on Maui, where participants from every local area (Small town, USA, Small town, USA, Small town, USA, Small town, USA, Small town, USA, and Small town, USA) sent about 15 people each, and they have full authorization from FEMA.

Is it clear to you now? Perhaps once you actually make it to Washington, D.C., you might realize... the ceremony itself isn't even the point but rather how widespread this tradition is across the islands.
Regardless, they followed the regulations to the letter.
Objectively speaking, there was no reason to stop it, and I quite appreciate the phrasing used... a protected custom registered with UNESCO...

And yet again, a post is wiped—specifically one that merely reinforces the very points we have already established. One would assume that moderators ought to maintain a sense of impartiality and remain tethered to the facts, wouldn't they?
What specific fact was supposedly problematic this time? Was it a repetition? Or perhaps some supposed evidence regarding how things are "actually" handled?
Unlike my opponents, my assertions are accompanied by direct links, complete with precise citations indicating exactly what is relevant.
I shall remain silent for now, anticipating an explanation. It appears the rebuttal from my opponent was also scrubbed, continuing this predictable pattern...
Frankly, I am unbothered personally; it is simply a waste of both your time and mine. My detractors are fundamentally incapable of shifting their stance, and the readers have already had ample opportunity to judge the situation for themselves.

Rachel Roberts6 said:Let me weigh in on that bolded and underlined part. All of that sounds great on paper if you can actually get a pass. The real headache starts when the authorities refuse to issue one. Take my neighbor back in his small town, for example. His neighbor's grandmother passed away, and she lived in a different jurisdiction. My neighbor barely managed to pull together permissions to attend the funeral for himself, his wife (the deceased's granddaughter), and his wife's niece (also a granddaughter). But he couldn't get permission for his own mother. To me, that means his mom is FORBIDDEN from going to a friend's funeral. Who is the idiot in this country who thinks they have the right to stop a perfectly HEALTHY person from attending a friend's funeral? There were only five people at the service; with my neighbor's mom, there would have been six. And all of them live at the same address! This measure is as foolish as it gets and it's a total violation of basic civil liberties. And since when does some little pass PROVE that you aren't carrying a virus? I guess we're supposed to trust those (unreliable) tests?

How old his mother is provides the definitive answer, though it might be a moot point.

I assume she is over 60. Your opinion is irrelevant; we are dealing with facts. It was my error not to write "(potentially)," but you could have easily inferred that the older population is more vulnerable. Quarantine is preventive, and there is no cure if luck isn't on your side. Tests are clearly very specific. I am no expert on them, so I can only speculate that they are only administered once symptoms begin to manifest.
So, how old is the mother. Medical data likely isn't public, and the doctor is the one who decides and holds access to those records.
I don't consider death and the ceremonies surrounding it to be crucial....

There is no ban if you obtain a permit proving you aren't a (potential) host for the virus.

Melissa Collins3 said:Right? 🤦

God, I love it when people spout absolute nonsense... Who on earth am I supposed to contact to get a permit like that?

The authorities, baby... the authorities. If you are young enough, everything is laid out clearly; you just need to actually read.

https://www.nytimes.com/news/health/...coronavirus/10075963/
March 10, 2020
HOW DOES THE VIRUS WORK?

THE CORONAVIRUS MYSTERY: IT TARGETS THE ELDERLY AND SPARES CHILDREN

In that case, you’re going to need a professional-grade tool, unfortunately. These programs can scan through an entire terabyte drive, identifying every single filename and extension within a matter of minutes, allowing you to select exactly what you need.

hollowfox3 said:Honestly, we should just be straightforward about this: if you aren't currently under some kind of restriction—like isolation or quarantine—you should be able to get a pass. You can go wherever you want, provided you act like you're still following those protocols at home. Because, let’s face it, that’s how it works anyway.

If someone ends up having to isolate or something similar, their pass just becomes void.

🙂 It is clear... the true issue is that most people won't bother following the rules. It’s always the same old story—"just one quick trip," whether they admit it to themselves or not.

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Joseph Taylor11 said:unknown, if I didn't just end up Googling "boroughs in D.C." right this second... 🤦

No—we don't have boroughs in D.C.—but even if we did, it wouldn't matter, because you can move around freely within the city... whereas Mary from some tiny rural town in the Midwest can't even drive to the next village over because she's technically in a different municipality...

Look.
I'm not looking to get into a back-and-forth with you—you've got your own opinions and stances, which, let's face it, most people here don't agree with—but you still seem hell-bent on trying to educate us. It's like you think you know better than everyone else... but you aren't going to convince me that all these measures make sense, because they simply don't. Some might, sure, but the one mentioned in this thread—restricting people from leaving their home areas—just doesn't hold water. You can try to convince yourself it's necessary and that this is how things should be, but you won't win over anyone else, so you can just deal with that. Some of us have actually developed something called "critical thinking," and we aren't quite as prone to "blindly accepting everything the government tells us."
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🙂 That is quite kind of you.

Let’s be honest: calling these urban neighborhoods "districts" is nothing more than a classic facade. It is a superficial label designed to provide a sense of structure where none truly exists.

County Civil Court
Municipal Court on El Paso Street 84.

The Municipal Court in Washington, D.C. shouldn't be labeled as a civil court, given that it also handles criminal cases. 😁
Criminal Court 3

Just a brief thought regarding the matter of names...

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Joseph Taylor11 said:unknown, if I didn't just end up Googling "boroughs in D.C." right this second... 🤦

No—we don't have boroughs in D.C.—but even if we did, it wouldn't matter, because you can move around freely within the city... whereas Mary from some tiny rural town in the Midwest can't even drive to the next village over because she's technically in a different municipality...

Look.
I'm not looking to get into a back-and-forth with you—you've got your own opinions and stances, which, let's face it, most people here don't agree with—but you still seem hell-bent on trying to educate us. It's like you think you know better than everyone else... but you aren't going to convince me that all these measures make sense, because they simply don't. Some might, sure, but the one mentioned in this thread—restricting people from leaving their home areas—just doesn't hold water. You can try to convince yourself it's necessary and that this is how things should be, but you won't win over anyone else, so you can just deal with that. Some of us have actually developed something called "critical thinking," and we aren't quite as prone to "blindly accepting everything the government tells us."
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I am merely providing clarification. Having spent years immersed in certain lines of work, I have come to realize that you truly cannot grasp the sheer level of absurdity one encounters until you are standing right in the middle of it. It is a peculiar thing, really. One assumes they have seen it all, only to be confronted by realities that defy any reasonable expectation.
There is no prohibition against travel if you possess a valid permit proving that you aren't an obvious host for the virus.
We are maintaining a written record of all movements to ensure that if a new outbreak occurs, we can immediately identify the likely source or culprit. Efficiency in response is paramount.

They simply did what was within their power. While their approach falls far short of being perfect, it is precisely what one would propose to curb viral distribution if the pathogen is truly as potent as claimed. That is the fundamental logic here. If there is a legitimate threat to public safety, maintaining records of human movement becomes a necessity. Now, I am staunchly opposed to the idea of monitoring mobile phones, but there is a catch. In this day and age, everything is already being tracked; a precise location can be distilled down to a mere twenty characters. You understand what I mean. The only real hurdle is obtaining a court order. It seems someone finally realized that this could serve as an alternative to mandatory digital passes.

unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: Is that truly the extent of it? One would hope for a more substantive discourse, yet here we find ourselves again. 🙄

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about the specifics. Even the geographical location is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: It seems redundant to dwell on isolation in this context, as that is precisely the core of the issue. If you are legally prohibited from leaving your own home, you are, by definition, isolated. Within one's own municipality.

Not quite. If we are being precise about this, Washington, D.C. actually consists of quite a few different municipalities. Furthermore, traveling abroad isn't the issue itself; the complication arises upon your return, when you are required to remain within the United States for a fourteen-day period.

unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: I was referring to those localized "hotspots" within the states—specifically when an entire state is essentially engulfed by the issue. Three individuals have been diagnosed. 🤦

Those who begin exhibiting symptoms.It has been understood since the very beginning that certain individuals function merely as asymptomatic carriers. One cannot help but feel a sense of profound skepticism regarding the actual lifespan of a virus once it has been acquired by such a person.
Am I being clearer now? One variable is already excessive, and without controlled quarantine measures, obtaining any relevant data will be an exercise in futility. As things stand, you’re looking at a minimum of 14 days.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Seriously? 🙄

There’s really no need to harp on the "isolation" aspect here—that’s basically the whole point of this conversation. If you're under a stay-at-home order, you're isolated in your town by default.

I was talking about "hotspots" at the county level—like when an entire county only has three cases. 🤦
Calling that a hotspot... ☕

Perhaps you might find a more suitable title, though I suppose this one serves its purpose well enough.

In medical terminology, one refers to the primary site where a pathological process originates within the body. More specifically, this describes the epicenter from which pathogenic microorganisms or their various toxins disseminate into the bloodstream, the lymphatic system, or the body's internal cavities. This initial point of origin is what ultimately triggers conditions such as purulent inflammation, abscesses, or granulomas—what we commonly classify as a focal infection.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Well, when I applied for my permit, I got it. It was just a few hours after I sent the request, but I got it. That’s not the issue; the issue is that I just don't see the logic behind these kinds of actions...

Let us consider.
Tracking movement patterns during an outbreak in areas where the contagion hasn't yet taken hold is a matter of critical importance. We must consider the reality that certain individuals act as asymptomatic carriers—biological vessels moving through society without any outward signs of illness. It is a sobering fact that one can be a vector for transmission while appearing entirely healthy, making traditional observation methods fundamentally flawed.

The sheer lack of logic within our police departments is nothing short of subversive. It’s an anti-state element, plain and simple. 🕺

Review:

Rachel Roberts6 said:So, I was planning on heading out on my bike the other day, riding from the city out to this little nearby town—it's about a certain distance from the edge of town once you pass the last sign... Just about a mile.So, I’m heading toward the outskirts of town when I run into this guy on a bike—someone I recognize from around, but we don't really talk. He was absolutely flying toward the city center. I ducked in to take care of some quick business, which only took me about ten minutes, and then I started heading back the same way. As it turns out, about five hundred yards into the city, I ran into a buddy of mine who was also on his bike, just heading home since he lives right by the edge of town. He tells me he actually just crossed paths with that first guy. Apparently, the guy told him that the police pulled him over right at the city limits! They were asking for his ID and giving him a hard time because he wasn't wearing a mask. So yeah, it looks like that was actually happening. Just about a mile. I wasn't even looking, but from what I saw, I didn't spot any patrols when I was heading out of town. It honestly felt like those cops showed up, messed with someone for five minutes, and then probably just rolled off to some other spot to bother someone else. Is that just how it goes?

Over the holidays, my little town was absolutely crawling with cars coming in from Washington, D.C., Savannah, Portland, Denver, even people driving in from Germany and Austria. You can bet they all had their passes ready to go, right?

And then there’s someone else actually trying to defend these ridiculous movement restrictions. Don't even get me started on those processions and all that other nonsense.

Imagine if he hadn't been on a bike 😁 then he would have truly been in trouble...
All joking aside, there simply aren't enough personnel to manage enforcement, and while there is a limitation on movement, a "ban" is an entirely different legal concept. However, observe how the uneducated individuals in power manipulate their terminology—using phrases like "relaxation of measures"😁, "bilateral meeting between the two of them"... or "social distancing"🤦

Tyler Vaughn7 As stated by:
It is quite a curious thing, isn't it? People seem to find it perfectly acceptable that I am effectively barred from traveling to the neighboring city—even on foot or by bicycle—simply because I lack a permit. It’s an absurd restriction. You see, a dog doesn't bark at the village; it barks at itself. This entire situation is merely a reflection of their own internal dysfunction.🕺

Ultimately, this is a matter for your own community. I haven’t personally sat down to study the mechanics of how these permits operate, but my assessment is straightforward: if you provide a legitimate justification and maintain a cooperative, non-combative attitude, there is simply no logical reason for them to deny your request.
At the end of the day, one must acknowledge that only a negligible fraction of applicants were actually rejected.
I find myself feeling rather regretful regarding these endless bureaucratic hurdles. It seems we are squandering what little time remains, leaving behind nothing more than a paper trail that could have actually served a meaningful purpose.
I am quite certain that a "travel" option exists somewhere within the interface.
If you're attempting to offer me some semblance of comfort, I appreciate the gesture, truly. However, one finds that such consolations rarely alter the underlying reality of a situation. It is an interesting impulse, I suppose—this human desire to mitigate discomfort through words—but in my experience, the facts remain stubbornly indifferent to our sentiments. Still, I acknowledge the intent.
The entire D.C. metropolitan police department is constantly breathing down our necks, checking on self-isolation protocols and obsessing over every single tip regarding small gatherings of just a few people. It’s hardly a matter of "excessive force"—it's simply the status quo. On top of that, we still have the usual bureaucratic chores to deal with.
I really should have gone much further than this...

There is absolutely nothing to be said about that particular option 😁
however, this one carries a somewhat similar designation

https://downloads.tomsguide.com/Easy...301-14413.html

bluejackal2 said:And besides, that subway line hasn't even been running for that long 😬

🤣 to him, it seems 😁

Tyler Vaughn7 said:And how exactly is easing restrictions on public transit supposed to help the situation?
If they didn't go as far as locking down Washington, D.C. residents by neighborhood or requiring permits just to move from one block to the next, why is everyone acting so shocked that people are hanging out at Mount Rainier, Central Park, or Golden Gate Park?

It is an inevitable potential evil paired with surveillance. Not everyone owns a car. Life must proceed... and there are psychological factors to consider... as well as pedagogical ones.
The consensus remains that the downside is smaller than the economic stimulus provided by "traffic." If we aren't seeing new viral carriers or if they remain under control, returning to normalcy isn't the issue.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:And how exactly is easing restrictions on public transit supposed to help the situation?
If they didn't go as far as locking down Washington, D.C. residents by neighborhood or requiring permits just to move from one block to the next, why is everyone acting so shocked that people are hanging out at Mount Rainier, Central Park, or Golden Gate Park?

Walking around or riding a bike isn't the issue, nor is grabbing a drink at a gas station with friends, provided you maintain social distancing. The same applies to retail stores where they monitor capacity... though many remain shuttered.
Some have adapted and can work from home, much like the rest of my family—whether it's school or employment. Private employers could have implemented remote options as well...
In short, one simply follows basic rules. You must account for the fact that some apartment buildings house more residents than both of those locations you mentioned for comparison.
Furthermore, one cannot ignore the lingering consequences of the earthquake.
It is quite peculiar that you are suggesting a need to restrict movement within the same local area...

Tyler Vaughn7 said:If the number of people doesn't matter, then what's the point of staying home? What's the point of banning gatherings? Are you trying to suggest that because a city needs public transit to function, we should all just act perfectly civilized on the go while the rest of us rural folks stay stuck at home? Is that it? Just so we can demonstrate how all these mandates can be carried out?🤦

It is because you have no way of knowing who is actually infected or acting as a carrier.
Your logic simply fails to hold water; outbreaks happen in major cities just as easily as anywhere else.
Essentially, one is forced to wait for a period of time until symptoms actually manifest...

Tyler Vaughn7 said:So, I'm reading Capak right now, and he's claiming one of the first things they'll ease up on is public transit. Seriously, could someone please explain to me how there's somehow less of a risk of getting infected on a bus than if you just drove from Petrijevac to Josipovac—two neighboring towns—without a permit?🤔

The risk of contagion isn't determined by the sheer volume of people present; rather, it rests entirely upon the behavior of those who are already infected....that is only the beginning. You have everything laid out right before your eyes.
It is tragically absurd to attempt a comparison between a small rural town and Washington, D.C. It isn't a matter of mere population statistics; it is about the fundamental necessity of infrastructure and systemic functionality. That being said, I suppose I understand why one might lean into such a caricature.
As I have already stated—this issue is fundamentally a matter for the lower levels of the hierarchy.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Where exactly is the epicenter?🤦

I can't help but wonder what exactly is going on in those pockets of Virovitina-Podravina or Požega-Slavonia. I mean, we’ve been sitting here for a month and a half since that first case popped up, and they're still seeing three or four infections pop up. It makes you think.
So, here it is—they've officially banned travel between municipalities in those counties just to try and quarantine this massive outbreak. Only three cases... in the entire county.!! 🤦

You seem to have overlooked the word "isolation." I suspect you didn't quite grasp the implication.

That decision rests with the local county administration, and we all know the reputation of the folks in Virovitina; they are a total nightmare crew.

stormybadger8 said:If you want a policy to actually work, it needs a damn target. You can't just throw restrictions at everything and hope they stick. It has to be aimed at something specific, and honestly, in situations like this, the oversight needs to be incredibly tight. ☕
How can anyone not see this? The guy clearly hasn't a clue, and apparently, our brilliant Minister doesn't either.

That policy doesn't actually target anything. It’s based on "residency," which is a joke. On one hand, you’ve got Washington, D.C. with a million people, and on the other, you have tiny rural towns with maybe a hundred souls. It's meaningless.
And when it doesn't matter to anyone else either, then it's pretty obvious this "measure" isn't actually aimed at anything at all.
It literally makes zero sense. They left movement completely unrestricted in the biggest hotspots with the highest infection rates—even in Washington, D.C., where there are a million people just wandering around like nothing's happening.

Even more importantly, there’s zero way to actually enforce this "famous" measure. Controlling something like this is basically impossible unless we start begging the US government to lend us their entire police force, the military, and all their high-tech gear. Only then—and that's a huge if—would we maybe, just maybe, have enough boots on the ground to pull it off.
Drop the link to the map. I mean, you can't even tell how many there are in the photo unless you zoom in...


So, those green lines represent the municipal borders we're supposed to be watching. If they actually want this movement ban to work as a controlled measure, they’d better start by actually monitoring those boundaries and the movement itself first. 🙂
It’d be pretty interesting if someone actually sat down and crunched the numbers to figure out the physical distance here. We could even start a betting pool to see how many miles it really takes to cover it. What do you think—is it more or less than... 62 miles ?

Maybe if we actually imported enough military and police force from the US, we might stand a chance at controlling this measure...
Then we’ve got this other headache: that famous "golden ticket" issued by a massive, bloated mess of employers, task forces, doctors, and whatever else.
So, I guess we also have to keep an eye on them and their issuance if we want this to actually be some kind of controlled measure.

And then, just to top it all off, they’ll probably expect us to be out there on the ground manually verifying those permits too. Great.

You're talking about a policy that’s a complete joke. It’s literally impossible to enforce, let alone actually control. Total farce.
This isn't some "controlled measure." It’s pure, unadulterated chaos that nobody can actually manage, and all it’s achieved is a massive, pointless waste of money.
The effect was exactly the same as if Beroš had just calmly asked everyone to stay put. Honestly, his polite request probably would've kept people from moving even more than this whole "measure" nonsense did.

This measure has no objective? I will concede that the lack of control is problematic, primarily because it permits the unbridled whims of clergy to go unchecked... a sort of spiritual message, I suppose.
What is missing here is feedback.

stormybadger8 said:If you want a policy to actually work, it needs a damn target. You can't just throw restrictions at everything and hope they stick. It has to be aimed at something specific, and honestly, in situations like this, the oversight needs to be incredibly tight. ☕
How can anyone not see this? The guy clearly hasn't a clue, and apparently, our brilliant Minister doesn't either.

That policy doesn't actually target anything. It’s based on "residency," which is a joke. On one hand, you’ve got Washington, D.C. with a million people, and on the other, you have tiny rural towns with maybe a hundred souls. It's meaningless.
And when it doesn't matter to anyone else either, then it's pretty obvious this "measure" isn't actually aimed at anything at all.
It literally makes zero sense. They left movement completely unrestricted in the biggest hotspots with the highest infection rates—even in Washington, D.C., where there are a million people just wandering around like nothing's happening.

Even more importantly, there’s zero way to actually enforce this "famous" measure. Controlling something like this is basically impossible unless we start begging the US government to lend us their entire police force, the military, and all their high-tech gear. Only then—and that's a huge if—would we maybe, just maybe, have enough boots on the ground to pull it off.
Drop the link to the map. I mean, you can't even tell how many there are in the photo unless you zoom in...


So, those green lines represent the municipal borders we're supposed to be watching. If they actually want this movement ban to work as a controlled measure, they’d better start by actually monitoring those boundaries and the movement itself first. 🙂
It’d be pretty interesting if someone actually sat down and crunched the numbers to figure out the physical distance here. We could even start a betting pool to see how many miles it really takes to cover it. What do you think—is it more or less than... 62 miles ?

Maybe if we actually imported enough military and police force from the US, we might stand a chance at controlling this measure...
Then we’ve got this other headache: that famous "golden ticket" issued by a massive, bloated mess of employers, task forces, doctors, and whatever else.
So, I guess we also have to keep an eye on them and their issuance if we want this to actually be some kind of controlled measure.

And then, just to top it all off, they’ll probably expect us to be out there on the ground manually verifying those permits too. Great.

You're talking about a policy that’s a complete joke. It’s literally impossible to enforce, let alone actually control. Total farce.
This isn't some "controlled measure." It’s pure, unadulterated chaos that nobody can actually manage, and all it’s achieved is a massive, pointless waste of money.
The effect was exactly the same as if Beroš had just calmly asked everyone to stay put. Honestly, his polite request probably would've kept people from moving even more than this whole "measure" nonsense did.

Here we see yet another collision in your logic. Population density plays no role in the initial spread of an infection; it is solely dependent on individual movement.
Is that difficult to comprehend?

stormybadger8 said:If you want a policy to actually work, it needs a damn target. You can't just throw restrictions at everything and hope they stick. It has to be aimed at something specific, and honestly, in situations like this, the oversight needs to be incredibly tight. ☕
How can anyone not see this? The guy clearly hasn't a clue, and apparently, our brilliant Minister doesn't either.

That policy doesn't actually target anything. It’s based on "residency," which is a joke. On one hand, you’ve got Washington, D.C. with a million people, and on the other, you have tiny rural towns with maybe a hundred souls. It's meaningless.
And when it doesn't matter to anyone else either, then it's pretty obvious this "measure" isn't actually aimed at anything at all.
It literally makes zero sense. They left movement completely unrestricted in the biggest hotspots with the highest infection rates—even in Washington, D.C., where there are a million people just wandering around like nothing's happening.

Even more importantly, there’s zero way to actually enforce this "famous" measure. Controlling something like this is basically impossible unless we start begging the US government to lend us their entire police force, the military, and all their high-tech gear. Only then—and that's a huge if—would we maybe, just maybe, have enough boots on the ground to pull it off.
Drop the link to the map. I mean, you can't even tell how many there are in the photo unless you zoom in...


So, those green lines represent the municipal borders we're supposed to be watching. If they actually want this movement ban to work as a controlled measure, they’d better start by actually monitoring those boundaries and the movement itself first. 🙂
It’d be pretty interesting if someone actually sat down and crunched the numbers to figure out the physical distance here. We could even start a betting pool to see how many miles it really takes to cover it. What do you think—is it more or less than... 62 miles ?

Maybe if we actually imported enough military and police force from the US, we might stand a chance at controlling this measure...
Then we’ve got this other headache: that famous "golden ticket" issued by a massive, bloated mess of employers, task forces, doctors, and whatever else.
So, I guess we also have to keep an eye on them and their issuance if we want this to actually be some kind of controlled measure.

And then, just to top it all off, they’ll probably expect us to be out there on the ground manually verifying those permits too. Great.

You're talking about a policy that’s a complete joke. It’s literally impossible to enforce, let alone actually control. Total farce.
This isn't some "controlled measure." It’s pure, unadulterated chaos that nobody can actually manage, and all it’s achieved is a massive, pointless waste of money.
The effect was exactly the same as if Beroš had just calmly asked everyone to stay put. Honestly, his polite request probably would've kept people from moving even more than this whole "measure" nonsense did.

🤦

stormybadger8 said:If you want a policy to actually work, it needs a damn target. You can't just throw restrictions at everything and hope they stick. It has to be aimed at something specific, and honestly, in situations like this, the oversight needs to be incredibly tight. ☕
How can anyone not see this? The guy clearly hasn't a clue, and apparently, our brilliant Minister doesn't either.

That policy doesn't actually target anything. It’s based on "residency," which is a joke. On one hand, you’ve got Washington, D.C. with a million people, and on the other, you have tiny rural towns with maybe a hundred souls. It's meaningless.
And when it doesn't matter to anyone else either, then it's pretty obvious this "measure" isn't actually aimed at anything at all.
It literally makes zero sense. They left movement completely unrestricted in the biggest hotspots with the highest infection rates—even in Washington, D.C., where there are a million people just wandering around like nothing's happening.

Even more importantly, there’s zero way to actually enforce this "famous" measure. Controlling something like this is basically impossible unless we start begging the US government to lend us their entire police force, the military, and all their high-tech gear. Only then—and that's a huge if—would we maybe, just maybe, have enough boots on the ground to pull it off.
Drop the link to the map. I mean, you can't even tell how many there are in the photo unless you zoom in...


So, those green lines represent the municipal borders we're supposed to be watching. If they actually want this movement ban to work as a controlled measure, they’d better start by actually monitoring those boundaries and the movement itself first. 🙂
It’d be pretty interesting if someone actually sat down and crunched the numbers to figure out the physical distance here. We could even start a betting pool to see how many miles it really takes to cover it. What do you think—is it more or less than... 62 miles ?

Maybe if we actually imported enough military and police force from the US, we might stand a chance at controlling this measure...
Then we’ve got this other headache: that famous "golden ticket" issued by a massive, bloated mess of employers, task forces, doctors, and whatever else.
So, I guess we also have to keep an eye on them and their issuance if we want this to actually be some kind of controlled measure.

And then, just to top it all off, they’ll probably expect us to be out there on the ground manually verifying those permits too. Great.

You're talking about a policy that’s a complete joke. It’s literally impossible to enforce, let alone actually control. Total farce.
This isn't some "controlled measure." It’s pure, unadulterated chaos that nobody can actually manage, and all it’s achieved is a massive, pointless waste of money.
The effect was exactly the same as if Beroš had just calmly asked everyone to stay put. Honestly, his polite request probably would've kept people from moving even more than this whole "measure" nonsense did.

But where exactly should those passes be monitored?

stormybadger8 said:If you want a policy to actually work, it needs a damn target. You can't just throw restrictions at everything and hope they stick. It has to be aimed at something specific, and honestly, in situations like this, the oversight needs to be incredibly tight. ☕
How can anyone not see this? The guy clearly hasn't a clue, and apparently, our brilliant Minister doesn't either.

That policy doesn't actually target anything. It’s based on "residency," which is a joke. On one hand, you’ve got Washington, D.C. with a million people, and on the other, you have tiny rural towns with maybe a hundred souls. It's meaningless.
And when it doesn't matter to anyone else either, then it's pretty obvious this "measure" isn't actually aimed at anything at all.
It literally makes zero sense. They left movement completely unrestricted in the biggest hotspots with the highest infection rates—even in Washington, D.C., where there are a million people just wandering around like nothing's happening.

Even more importantly, there’s zero way to actually enforce this "famous" measure. Controlling something like this is basically impossible unless we start begging the US government to lend us their entire police force, the military, and all their high-tech gear. Only then—and that's a huge if—would we maybe, just maybe, have enough boots on the ground to pull it off.
Drop the link to the map. I mean, you can't even tell how many there are in the photo unless you zoom in...


So, those green lines represent the municipal borders we're supposed to be watching. If they actually want this movement ban to work as a controlled measure, they’d better start by actually monitoring those boundaries and the movement itself first. 🙂
It’d be pretty interesting if someone actually sat down and crunched the numbers to figure out the physical distance here. We could even start a betting pool to see how many miles it really takes to cover it. What do you think—is it more or less than... 62 miles ?

Maybe if we actually imported enough military and police force from the US, we might stand a chance at controlling this measure...
Then we’ve got this other headache: that famous "golden ticket" issued by a massive, bloated mess of employers, task forces, doctors, and whatever else.
So, I guess we also have to keep an eye on them and their issuance if we want this to actually be some kind of controlled measure.

And then, just to top it all off, they’ll probably expect us to be out there on the ground manually verifying those permits too. Great.

You're talking about a policy that’s a complete joke. It’s literally impossible to enforce, let alone actually control. Total farce.
This isn't some "controlled measure." It’s pure, unadulterated chaos that nobody can actually manage, and all it’s achieved is a massive, pointless waste of money.
The effect was exactly the same as if Beroš had just calmly asked everyone to stay put. Honestly, his polite request probably would've kept people from moving even more than this whole "measure" nonsense did.

This is merely the beginning; the sequel follows once the feedback arrives. One ought to have started somewhere, specifically with organizational units—local municipalities. Don't lecture me on psychology or requests; you can clearly see how many self-important intellectuals with "grand ideas" populate this forum. It is true that "bureaucracy does its thing"...

Think about the situation for a moment... and look at the statistics, regardless of their relativity...

Nicole Lee74 said:In my opinion, they should have sat everyone down at a table to figure out which municipalities don't have their own pharmacy and then just scrap the permits for those specific areas. That’s where the real work needs to happen. Everything else is just noise; without fixing that, you aren't getting anywhere. It's like saying you can't live without a grocery store—sure, technically true, but I doubt there's a single town in this country that doesn't have one.

🙂 Precisely, though that task falls to the local administrative levels, who are supposed to report directly to the central task force. Unfortunately, the very people tasked with relaying this information are often the ones entrenched in bureaucracy or simply incompetent. Therein lies the fundamental problem.