Posts by Jerry Robinson56

Perhaps you should try borrowing a Bluetooth dongle and running it through that; it is entirely possible a specific protocol is missing from your current setup. (Or perhaps you just need to actually turn it on 😁 ... merely a joke)

Gerald Chavez7 said:I don't see this as a post worthy of a sanction. A moderator on one subforum is still just another user participating in a discussion on another. If I were handing out bans for posts like this, I’d have issued hundreds by now.

You aren't KLCCLK.
He manufactured a KLCCLK dispute out of thin air, and frankly, he did it poorly.
It falls under what you people call... to put it mildly... jumping the gun—10 points 😁, if not having thinly veiled intentions
. Furthermore, you’ve indirectly admitted that this is textbook grounds for a ban KLCCLK, yet you're choosing to think like a rational human being, which is a positive trait... but unfortunately, that isn't how your rules work
. Still, it provides some "life" to the platform, provided you don't cling to those regulations like a drunk clinging to a lamppost
. The fundamental issue here is that you refuse to see t h e t r u t h
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Charles Fox10 said:For those of you following this thread, let me clarify one thing: the colleague mentioned in that PDF holds no moderator status, should that distinction be of any consequence to the current debate.

It is a matter of character rather than authority... or perhaps more accurately, a question of conduct. One's fundamental disposition matters far more than any official title they might hold.
To err is human. It is a fundamental truth, though one that most people seem determined to ignore in their pursuit of perceived perfection. We stumble, we miscalculate, and we fail—not because we lack intention, but because we are inherently flawed creatures. To expect anything less from the human condition is, quite frankly, a fool's errand.If the moderator actually stepped in and managed this thread properly, she might finally get a moment of peace.
Based on what we have just witnessed... Laura Sanchez64 She wrote it.
Moderator KLCCLK It seems he has lost any remaining capacity for nuance or empathy. He refuses to entertain a single dissenting perspective, choosing instead to frame everything that contradicts his own worldview as a moral failing. It is quite predictable, really.
That does not necessarily follow. KLCCLK It isn't particularly good; it has simply devolved into an automated process. And the trouble with automation is that when it fails, it fails spectacularly.
If this has become the primary objective of the moderation team—if they have embraced the distortion of perception simply because it gives them a sense of purpose, provides a semblance of "work," and allows them to feel indispensable without making it personal—then that is exactly what it is. Laura Sanchez64 I have written it.

So, let me get this straight: are we actually suggesting that "moderation" refers to whether one aligns or disagrees with a particular viewpoint, rather than the actual task of policing insults and maintaining basic decorum? It seems a rather peculiar way to define the role.


You once tackled the subject of the President, yet it appears your student has quite clearly surpassed you.

To my dear colleagues

It has been over six months since the unanimous decision (if one can call it that) was made to bar me from posting on Politics due to my commentary regarding Joe Biden. I maintain that this ban was entirely personal—driven by the sheer intolerance of certain moderators and the usual, predictable negligence seen among the "mod squad." Consequently, I am now employing the tactics of a patient protest.
It should be patently obvious that you will once again retreat behind a veil of silence and hollow excuses, claiming my posts were removed for being offensive. 🤔 Offensive to whom, exactly?
The reality is quite the opposite. My detractors, unable to offer anything beyond hysterical outbursts and clumsy attempts at insults, could do nothing but sink into helplessness and stagnation, which explains the nature of this decision.
The absurdity I have frequently noted becomes more apparent with every passing day. Is it truly such an ordeal to admit that we are dealing with a specific individual case rather than just the president of some "accidental nation"?
The instability surrounding the Prime Minister's administration is growing increasingly palpable. In fact, it’s becoming impossible to ignore...
If my words cause you this much distress, you could have simply restricted my access to that specific topic, as has been done previously.

Therefore, I propose that you restore my posting privileges on Politics. According to the rules, I have no standing to demand my rights, given that this forum is private property. 🙂
I shall continue to adhere strictly to the forum rules, just as I have always done...

Ave

In the process of becoming.

fadedranger162 said:Look, nothing was technically illegal, but it wasn't exactly by the book either. Even one of the Supreme Court justices weighed in on how the headquarters was operating, basically warning them to actually read the fine print regarding who is a member, who can make which decisions, and what powers they actually hold—not just this one rule, but every single one they passed.

It’s not "throwing shade." If we’ve decided to live in a democracy and respect the law, then we should actually follow it. That doesn't take away from what they achieved, but just because things are messy doesn't mean everyone gets to do whatever they want—just like we aren't allowed to right now.

They probably didn't think about it at the time because they were too busy rushing to react, but hey, they wrote their own procedures and laws. If small business owners can get screwed over because of some dead letter in a statute, then shouldn't the people in charge be held to those exact same standards? Or is that not how you see it?

They had the option to use that specific article, but they didn't, so now they have to play by the rest of the rules.

Given that even a Supreme Court Justice like Piplmasttrastas is unwilling to hear my conclusions regarding certain individuals within the Democratic Party...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of whether it holds any water. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was quite explicit in his warning to him: stop trying to build a career on the development of your own inability to draw logical conclusions within complex subject matter.

I have spent considerable time reviewing the recent documentation regarding the legal challenges surrounding the emergency measures implemented during the height of the pandemic. It is a dense, rather exhausting read, but necessary if one wishes to understand how the administrative state attempts to bypass traditional oversight. The core of the matter rests on whether the executive branch overstepped its constitutional bounds when issuing specific mandates under the guise of public safety. From my perspective, we are seeing a recurring pattern where the Cabinet attempts to implement sweeping regulations without the explicit authorization typically required from Congress. It is a calculated move, designed to present the public with a fait accompli before any meaningful debate can occur. There is a certain cynicism inherent in the way these legal frameworks are being stretched. One begins to wonder if the protections enshrined in the Constitution of the United States are being treated as mere suggestions rather than absolute boundaries. While the necessity of managing a national crisis is indisputable, the precedent set by these maneuvers is deeply unsettling. We are witnessing a slow, methodical expansion of executive power that, once established, is notoriously difficult to retract. It is much like watching a heavy fog roll into a valley; you don't realize how much the landscape has changed until you find yourself unable to recognize the landmarks you once relied upon. The legal machinery is moving, and frankly, it isn't looking back.

It is either what it is, or it isn't. There is no middle ground, no gray area, and certainly no room for nuance when the facts are laid bare. It is a binary reality. Period.

fadedranger162 said:Look, nothing was technically illegal, but it wasn't exactly by the book either. Even one of the Supreme Court justices weighed in on how the headquarters was operating, basically warning them to actually read the fine print regarding who is a member, who can make which decisions, and what powers they actually hold—not just this one rule, but every single one they passed.

It’s not "throwing shade." If we’ve decided to live in a democracy and respect the law, then we should actually follow it. That doesn't take away from what they achieved, but just because things are messy doesn't mean everyone gets to do whatever they want—just like we aren't allowed to right now.

They probably didn't think about it at the time because they were too busy rushing to react, but hey, they wrote their own procedures and laws. If small business owners can get screwed over because of some dead letter in a statute, then shouldn't the people in charge be held to those exact same standards? Or is that not how you see it?

They had the option to use that specific article, but they didn't, so now they have to play by the rest of the rules.

It is just as corrupt as the individual in question.

It appears we have reached a point where one must wonder: does The Cabinet simply lack the basic competence required to respect the Law? 🤔 It is a fallacy to suggest that Andrej Plenković was responsible for drafting that specific regulation. In reality, he simply took advantage of the strategic lull while Congress was on recess. As for my own efforts, I am doing the absolute best I can under the circumstances; whether that result meets the highest possible standard is an entirely different matter, and frankly, it has very little to do with them.

fadedranger162 said:Look, nothing was technically illegal, but it wasn't exactly by the book either. Even one of the Supreme Court justices weighed in on how the headquarters was operating, basically warning them to actually read the fine print regarding who is a member, who can make which decisions, and what powers they actually hold—not just this one rule, but every single one they passed.

It’s not "throwing shade." If we’ve decided to live in a democracy and respect the law, then we should actually follow it. That doesn't take away from what they achieved, but just because things are messy doesn't mean everyone gets to do whatever they want—just like we aren't allowed to right now.

They probably didn't think about it at the time because they were too busy rushing to react, but hey, they wrote their own procedures and laws. If small business owners can get screwed over because of some dead letter in a statute, then shouldn't the people in charge be held to those exact same standards? Or is that not how you see it?

They had the option to use that specific article, but they didn't, so now they have to play by the rest of the rules.

People ought to be considering their fellow citizens and their fundamental rights, rather than obsessing solely over their own narrow professional interests.

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Sam Green73 said:And what about the people losing their livelihoods because of these mandates? Who’s going to compensate them for that loss of income?

Some questions just don't have a price tag on them.

I'm not exactly out here drafting specific ballot measures; I'm just pointing out that we actually have different ways to push back.
We aren't nearly as helpless as they want us to believe.

I am of the opinion that one ought to focus primarily on the experience of living itself. We spend far too much energy obsessing over gains or losses—metrics that are ultimately transient and can, in many instances, be recouped depending on the specific consequences of those losses. It is a matter of perspective, really.
When it comes to the banking sector, my position remains unchanged: we should liquidate them immediately. All state-level receivables and payables ought to be consolidated and redirected into a single, "new" central banking entity. This is a proposition I would extend to every other financial institution as well.
I was watching Zdenko Adrović make his remarks yesterday, claiming that a 66% majority constitutes a massive mandate. 🤦 In light of where Goran Aleksić absolutely tore him apart. 🙏 🙏 🙏Man... Ti si Čovjek 👍And let us not overlook that brilliant leader who had the decency to gently inform Adrović that common sense is actually a prerequisite for having any kind of meaningful conversation.

From a purely legal standpoint, Article 373 regarding mandatory obligations is perfectly clear This, too, is quite suitable.
*Ignorantia iuris nocet*. Or, if you prefer the English translation: ignorance of the law is no excuse. It remains one of the most fundamental pillars of our legal system. One cannot simply walk into a courtroom and offer up a plea that they were unaware a certain action was prohibited or regulated by statute. The law assumes you know it, whether you actually do or not.
In the hierarchy of our legal system, statutes stand second only to the Constitution. It is a fundamental principle that any restriction on civil liberties or the imposition of new burdens upon the citizenry can only be legitimized through specific legislation. Every action taken by public authorities must find its footing in established law and remain strictly compliant with its provisions. Anything less isn't just an overreach; it's a violation of the very framework that holds our republic together.
It is a common misconception to assume that legal norms are confined solely to statutes passed by Congress. In reality, much of the functional framework resides within sub-statutory regulations. These administrative rules and secondary provisions serve to refine the broader mandates established by law, providing the granular detail necessary to govern the specific procedures and obligations of both government agencies and private citizens alike.
Take the federal agencies, for instance; they go about drafting their own specific regulations to dictate exactly how certain laws are actually carried out on the ground.
The government in the United States has recently released tens of thousands of various legal regulations.
There is an overwhelming proliferation of legal regulations being churned out by administrative agencies and local government bodies. It is quite frankly excessive.

The sheer volume of amendments and updates to our legal regulations is staggering; one finds themselves in a state of perpetual necessity to stay informed just to maintain a basic grasp of the current landscape.
As we all well know, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Understanding regulations isn't a pursuit reserved solely for lawyers. The fundamental distinction between an entrepreneur who thrives and one who fails often comes down to a single factor: successful entrepreneurs possess the right information at exactly the right moment.

It is utterly absurd to hold the state accountable when it was simply exercising its legal mandate to protect its citizens—a right clearly established under the aforementioned police regulations.
And let’s not overlook the companies that actually maintained their integrity and refused to exploit the current situation for a quick buck.
And that is exactly why we have laws on the books to handle such matters. 😁/
The federal government ought to be conducting a thorough investigation into recent events and mounting a draconian response to address them. Where exactly was the damage inflicted—was it on the corporations themselves, or on the individuals at the hands of their employers or other parties? ...

Bryan Taylor6 said:Daaa, they had a coalition of parties, but with a majority like that, you just have to wipe them out and suddenly you're the minority...😁

And as far as laws go, we actually had an asset origin law once, but the Republican Party scrapped it the second they got their hands on power...

I don't know why, I really don't... just so things can always stay... how do you say... just how they are?

And what's your big idea here? Abolishing a municipality based on some law just because a mayor got caught stealing?😁

I wouldn't go that far...


The President of the Presidency of the Republic of America, Ivo Latin

And that particular slacker, currently sitting in the President's chair, gave out that 2012 amnesty—who could possibly guarantee anything at this point?.. though he can still pull strings if he wants.

It isn't about some arbitrary rule; it’s simply the criminal code... everything follows the letter of the law.
And then you appoint righteous people to those positions. Or perhaps use temporary appointments...

fadedranger162 said:@Joseph Taylor11 It probably varies from person to person—some folks feel one way, some the other, and some are stuck right in the middle. Honestly, the only thing we can really do is slash those costs. Right now, every single tiny municipality has to staff its own department heads, assistants, deputies, and so on, plus their own local utility companies. Sure, you could lay off the same number of laborers, but what are we supposed to do with all those directors, VPs, and high-level bureaucrats?

If we actually scaled this back properly, we’d likely have somewhere between 30,000 to 50,000 people completely out of a job. Most of them have probably never even stepped foot in the private sector, so you can bet they’ll fight tooth and nail using every dirty trick in the book just to coast their way toward retirement.

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@Jerry Robinson56
That’s exactly what gets under my skin. We saw how China handled things, and we saw how Italy did it—they basically knew what was coming a month ahead of time. But here? We’re always caught flat-footed, like a pasta maker getting blindsided by a blizzard in the middle of January. Then we end up with these half-baked, rushed-out regulations that nobody knows how to actually enforce, otherwise, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

I mean, look, the French know exactly how the contagion arrived. But how do you pin it down? Do you tell them the sailors probably picked it up while taking care of business at the docks, or is it more likely that a different crew swapped shifts with them from the coast and brought the virus onboard?

Look, he isn't some lazy slacker; he was just pointing out that what was happening might actually be illegal. Didn't we choose democracy, after all? And if everything was already perfectly regulated by law, why did they suddenly need to scramble and cook up a new rule just to patch the holes? Even here, as far as I know, a state of emergency hasn't even been declared yet, so there’s no reason to be invoking those specific laws. That’s where the whole mess lies.

At no point was anything illegal... throwing tantrums is the only specialty of this "gentleman," and his ideas are as rotten as he is...
They weren't patching holes; they were providing clarifications on how existing laws apply, intended to make both understanding and enforcement easier.
A curfew could have been implemented without any issues, and then we would have spent the whole time hearing people whine, "Wait, how is this allowed?"
It is enough that Minister Božinović stated—exercise your authority under Article 52 until further notice.
The system looks after itself; unfortunately, society and individuals are merely secondary considerations.

Bryan Taylor6 said:To abolish a municipality, you'd need a two-thirds majority in Congress. That’s how they were created, and that’s the only way they can be dismantled...

I suggest everyone follow the letter of the law... it is quite simple enough to just keep a close eye on all mayors and send them straight to prison for their little schemes... along with seizing any assets they failed to report or acquired through illicit means... easy enough, isn't it?

https://www.law.gov/z/132/Local-Self-Government-Act

One simply needs to understand the law, and they certainly held a majority in Congress back then... but then again, an idle man never truly understood the law then, much like he doesn't now... or perhaps he simply refuses to act, which is his defining characteristic.

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

You are entirely correct; I provided a mere explanation rather than an attempt at "justification." This is precisely how things unfold when an event occurs that was entirely predictable, yet everyone collectively chose to ignore it. Consequently, the system reacts in a way that minimizes immediate friction. These passes are both a necessity and a failure of foresight. We had three months to prepare, because it would have been absurd to assume they wouldn't be coming here. But once the line is drawn, there is no use in complaining about the situation itself—one should only criticize the execution.

fadedranger162 As stated by:
I recall that even the carnival in Seattle took place recently, featuring several groups from Italy. If this situation were truly as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to convince us it is, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be far behind given how many people have been returning from across the borders. One needs to approach this with gravity, certainly, but the level of panic being manufactured over this is frankly excessive.

That’s just typical behavior from the Democratic Party. 😉

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

The link I shared was specifically because the French military clearly hasn't the slightest clue how an outbreak could even occur on one of their elite naval vessels. It’s a glaring oversight.

fadedranger162 As stated by:
I may have exaggerated slightly, but that’s the reality of the situation. As you pointed out, the entirety of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected individuals, yet because it’s larger and more densely populated than that island, everyone is still moving freely within the city limits without any spread occurring. Meanwhile, those people over there have been effectively under quarantine since the ban on the islands was implemented; nobody visits them except for delivery drivers. They’ve adhered to the protocols just as strictly as any Washingtonian would when heading out to Central Park for a jog with a few friends. In fact, they've likely been even more disciplined, given that they were being monitored.

It’s the same old story. People around here are still clinging to this desperate hope for some kind of miraculous recovery late this summer, acting as if we could just implement a total lockdown like they did in China and suddenly find ourselves with zero active cases. We have already seen exactly what happens once people start traveling again from other high-infection areas. Are we really expected to plunge back into isolation every single time there's a spike, just waiting around until someone finally manages to cobble together a functional vaccine?

If you ask me, this entire epidemic situation is nothing short of bizarre. The predictions are utterly nonsensical. You watch as they roll out these supposed "final solutions" day after day, only to pivot immediately and claim the whole thing is going to drag on indefinitely. It’s a constant cycle of hot and cold—nothing but noise.

fadedranger162 As stated by:
The primary objective should have been to calm the public and prevent a mass exodus from the city, rather than allowing rumors to circulate that an even more violent earthquake is imminent. Where was FEMA, the local police, or any of the emergency responders tasked with following established protocols during such a crisis? One would expect a coordinated response to manage panic, yet instead, we are left with total uncertainty.

With earthquakes, you can never truly find solid ground, and frankly, people have been driven to the brink of madness over these last thirty years. It seems we’ve entered an era where the sheer onomatopoeia of lies is in full swing.

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

It is simply the inevitable byproduct of negative selection. Once again, we see the same pattern unfolding: they’ve managed to select the absolute worst candidate available in this election.

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

Tragically, one young girl was not as fortunate that Saturday morning...

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

fadedranger162 said:I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.

Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.

Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵

Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.

Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.

I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.

But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?

Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?

Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?

But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.

But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.

There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.

The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...

This whole litigious frenzy was instigated by that incompetent loafer, President M.Z.; there is simply no legal basis for it. You have the Law on Police Procedures and Authorities, specifically Article 52, which covers emergency situations (dating back to the last century)... they are merely "polishing" the rest of the framework to ensure it follows the Democratic Party's agenda perfectly.

Rachel Roberts6 said:Not at all. Honestly, "headquarters" (ugh, I hate that word, seriously, who even came up with it?) is nothing but pure politics. Aside from two Republican ministers, you've got the director of the public health institute who was appointed back in 2016. Basically, the Republican Party picked him, along with certain people like Alemka Markotić—an infectious disease expert who gets tons of praise from Canadian clergy and once even said she "...wouldn't have survived the war in Ottawa if she weren't a believer." A textbook Republican appointee. Now I just need to check if she's carrying a party registration card.

Look, it isn't politics ... it is simply people doing their jobs correctly, performing duties they were expected to handle independently, so there is no need for grandstanding or manufactured heroism.

If you want to talk about politics, look at supporting useless bureaucrats who haven't the slightest grasp of the law, or naturally, looking at The New York Times ... and who else would be responsible for this besides

http://www.nytimes.com/news/US/...consequences

Neither Beroš nor Markotić are members of the headquarters: This revelation could carry serious legal consequences 🤣

Everything is as clear as day, and only idiots throw tantrums because things actually turned out far better than they could have. Following May 1st, we will see a period of normalization; all this shouting about the economy and "ruin" is nothing more than additional idiocy.

Bryan Taylor6 said:They aren't the same

Because the Republicans were actually the ones who created hundreds of useless local municipalities, like those small towns in the USA or places like Bakar...

The local Democratic Party in a city like Miami has been trying for three weeks to consolidate the surrounding area into a single zone without pass restrictions, but Washington, D.C. won't budge. Even if they did, those small towns wouldn't want it anyway...

But when someone gets sick, they don't head to some tiny local clinic in a small town in USA—because those hospitals obviously don't exist—they go straight to the big city hospital. Meanwhile, the local politicians just line their own pockets... etc...

They are similar in that regard... they could have consolidated everything...
In 2011, they were given full authority by the residents of America—essentially a carte blanche—not because they earned it through merit, but because there was enough political intimidation at the time. The existence of these municipalities is relatively minor compared to the larger issue; there is always a higher institution involved.
As for this three-week delay, 🤦everything can be settled via a quick phone call or an email within an hour or two. How exactly do you expect Washington, D.C. to block that?
The task force isn't interested in politics; they rely on industry experts, unlike the President.

stormybadger8 said:Honestly, I think we as citizens need to hire a killer lawyer and file a massive class-action lawsuit in a court like the Supreme Court to demand serious prison time for:

Minister Božinović, leading the charge as our prime defendant.
Every single head of those county and local emergency task forces.
All the mayors and city officials, just for the crime of existing in the first place...

For violating basic human rights and basically treating the public like complete idiots.
And anyone under 50? They get quarantine instead. Prison is too good for them.

That should have happened thirty years ago... though perhaps you are overreaching. This moment serves as an excellent opportunity to observe how the United States has been economically dismantled. There isn't actually a lack of funds—the issue lies entirely in the distribution of wealth, excluding food and energy production. It wouldn't even be a struggle for everyone to receive a check and maintain full salaries despite being stuck at home, if only the Government hadn't dictated otherwise.

Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.

We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.

It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.

And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.

fadedranger162 said:Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.

Review:

Bryan Taylor6 said:They're terrified of being dissolved because they're actually vital.😁

I honestly don't get how you can have a township without an actual city inside it.🤔

I mean, isn't a city supposed to be the foundation that everything else builds around? Like a township...

Santa Barbara isn't a city, yet it's a township.🤔
Wait, how does that even work?

🙂 Bingo.

Some people will attempt to argue that there is no meaningful distinction between the Democratic Party and the opposition, as if they were two sides of the same coin. They are mistaken.

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

Rachel Roberts6 said:So what's the point of all this then? Take me for example—today at one hospital, they checked my temperature and made me sign some paperwork about legal liability and blah blah blah... because I had to enter the building for work. I don't have symptoms, I haven't been to China, Italy, or anywhere abroad, I don't know anyone suspicious, infected, or sick... yet they say I could be an asymptomatic carrier. So now, I'm allowed in that hospital because I have a work permit, but I'm not allowed to head over to the next county to go fishing because I don't have "permission" for that. I mean, permission to travel. I have a license to fish, though.
It’s absolutely insane. In the last week alone, I've driven around 600435 miles miles through three different counties, getting held up at various institutions along the way. It turns out that while I'm on the clock, I'm not spreading the virus, but the second I step out of my work vehicle, I suddenly become a walking time bomb looking to infect three dying patients in palliative care. Who, by the way, you'll usually find out in the middle of a fishing trip or sitting at a hunting blind.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Measures like these always breed resentment, but the issue isn't the policy itself; it's the people enforcing it. Policies are broad and theoretical, whereas individuals on the ground are the ones actually implementing them...
Regardless, it is prudent to maintain a paper trail... try doing it that way. Words alone won't protect you...
Just recently, they demanded to see an old medical record at a hospital entrance because my supplemental insurance didn't clearly list my initials. Fortunately, I had the order paperwork handy, though I discovered they weren't even sure if the records would be available, and nobody was answering the phone... Instead of simply verifying my ID, which includes a photo... 🕺 Since I happen to be a cold-blooded bastard, I managed to slip through unscathed.

The number of victims would undoubtedly be far higher given the high probability of a chain reaction of infection, much like what we see in the USA, though there the focus tends to fall disproportionately on the poor.
Of course, anyone can be a carrier, but there must be a reasonable balance when your presence is required for essential tasks.
I know what it's like for a fisherman without "water"... my preferred method is lures and spinning gear, so you can imagine how much ground I cover on foot—not to mention the times I've fallen into the water in the dead of winter... 😁...Cheers.

Justin Cook81 The user states:
I appreciate your thoughtful observations.

Here I am again (logged in within the last 24 hours).

I find myself increasingly weary of the persistent delusions held by certain segments of our society regarding the supposed "uniqueness" of their struggles. It is a tiresome cycle. We see it in the way people cling to outdated grievances as if they were sacred relics, rather than the mere historical footnotes they truly are. One cannot help but notice how often the discourse devolves into this repetitive, circular reasoning. People demand recognition for being victims of circumstances that have long since shifted, ignoring the fact that the world moved on decades ago. It is an exercise in futility, much like trying to argue with a brick wall—except the wall doesn't expect a thank-you note afterward. There is a profound lack of intellectual rigor in contemporary debate. Instead of analyzing the structural realities of our current era, we retreat into these comfortable, albeit intellectually bankrupt, narratives of victimhood. It’s inefficient, it’s exhausting, and frankly, it’s beneath the dignity of any serious thinker. One would hope for more substance, but experience suggests that such optimism is misplaced.

Corruption and nepotism have become the unmistakable hallmarks of anyone hailing from West Herzegovina County.

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That is a widely recognized reality and serves as a defining characteristic of nearly all "their" successes. Unfortunately, I suspect you are missing the nuance of my point here. There are plenty of remarkably honest and incredibly industrious individuals among them—in fact, they make up the vast majority of people from those regions. My observation pertains specifically to the "successful" ones. With voices that are either melodic or raspy.It is common knowledge where they originate... they don't come from just anywhere...
The term "Herzegovina" covers a lot of ground, but my old man always just refers to it as "down south"—just so there isn't any confusion about where he's coming from.

Rachel Roberts6 said:What does her age have to do with anything? She hasn't been infected, and she hasn't been ordered into isolation. She’d just be with her family at the funeral. You know, the people you normally sit at the table with or watch TV with on the couch.
You're trying to justify a policy that simply can't be justified. Besides, despite all these "smart" measures, the number of cases and deaths keeps climbing.
You seem like a cool guy, but man, you are totally missing the mark on this thread.

🙂 And you to me. 😉Look, I agree that household members should be granted an exemption, but they wouldn't just be surrounded by family in those settings. I must reiterate that a carrier doesn't necessarily show symptoms, and from what I can see, detection only happens once symptoms actually manifest. Furthermore, we cannot ignore the fact that older individuals are far more vulnerable to this virus, or that it accelerates their final stages.
As a preventative measure, one shouldn't let an elderly person go anywhere. I haven't even seen my mother in a month and a half... and I only see my brother in passing... you understand? And yet, I am asymptomatic (at least regarding COVID).

Prevention is justifiable regardless of the current outcome. Especially when it comes to a funeral... if I had the choice, I wouldn't even attend my own.🕺