Posts by steelpanther4

Sandra Morgan2 said:

Once consciousness
starts waking up, it will definitely awaken.

Because the time for awakening has arrived.

In the meantime, the ego will feel like it is
taking steps and traveling along some sort of path
striving toward a desired goal.

While in reality,

a flower unfolds its petals all on its own.

Or let me put it more gently:

When everything within you yearns for the Beloved,
rest assured that the Beloved also yearns
to find herself within you.
Her unquenchable longing
will slowly consume you,
until, held in her embrace,
you finally come to an end once and for all.

Ugh... sorry... that wasn't very gentle again.
🙂

I gave you a fair warning to stop this conversation, because if we dive into the whole existence vs. non-existence of free will, we’re just going to end up in nonsense territory. That's enough to drive the ego absolutely insane!

Even with all your skepticism, you haven't doubted the meaning yet...
In fact, you'll probably turn your head away from that doubt entirely.
Hell, you might even get angry at Sandra Morgan2!

Sandra Morgan2 said:Look for quotes or don't—it's all predestined anyway...

As far as I know, Gurdjieff definitely believed in free will.

Nope... Gurdjieff believed (though maybe he didn't realize it) that almost everyone is just a mechanical repetition of patterns. They aren't free at all; they have no will and are essentially machines. He even believed most people lack a soul. He thought only certain individuals possess a soul, but only as a tiny seed. If they don't cultivate it, they remain mere machines. Beyond that, he said this:

Free will is The function of The master within US (Master in US is pure consciousness). Our ‘will’ is simply the supremacy of one desire over another.

In other words, human will is just the shifting of desires, and we don't choose those desires—we are conditioned by them. In this context, "will" is used substantively.

So what are you going to say to that? That your people aren't enlightened, but mine are?

I've said what I had to say regarding Gurdjieff. Bring up something else and I'll respond to that, or I won't respond at all. Sandra Morgan2 is spontaneous.

I pointed out a contradiction in his teaching, and you agreed there was one. Can you explain it?

Paul Jones7 — YOU DON'T EXIST

Within the boundaries of your body, there is NO ONE.
The ego is a mental fabrication.

You don't exist, Paul Jones7.
Personality is an illusion.

Even your body isn't what it seems.
It is all a dream.
And everything around you is just a dream.
A very, very convincing illusion.

You are a dreamed, non-existent being
in a divine dream
of separate existence.

If you don't exist,
if a separate personality doesn't exist,
then how can a dreamed character—which doesn't exist—
how can anything that doesn't exist

have any freedom at all, let alone the freedom to act on its own will?...

Freedom and free will belong to the one who dreams.
And that one is the only thing that is real.
And the dreamer, who is the reality,
is pure consciousness itself.

That is YOU.