Posts by John Jones3

Gregory Jackson said:Oh, come on, I'm sure the Immortal will let you through. Honestly, though, am I really going to be the only unilluminated person left on this whole forum!?

So, I hear some blind guy claiming you need a permit for enlightenment—so apparently, you’re officially enlightened on this forum now. But seriously, how do we actually measure that? Is enlightenment just a scale where your light body hits 70%, 80%, or 90%? And what happens to the folks who hit 99%—does the Creator just look the other way for that final 1%?

Look, I’m not kidding—I see auras, I "communicate" with orbs, and I frequently feel my heart chakra overflowing with love. I move through life acting out of pure compassion toward everything and everyone. Sometimes I’ll just hug a pillow, thinking about how we are all One—how this random pillow is neither more nor less significant than I am—and I’ll just pour myself into it until my heart is full again. So, how do I know if I've actually reached enlightenment? I'd say I have. As for whether my light body has expanded by 80% or 90%, I'll leave that to the experts—though I highly doubt spirituality can be quantified, much like trying to map spiritual growth on a graph the way Mr. Ljubo stojka does.

I think that claim—that enlightenment marks the near end of development—is pretty much a joke. Almost.The hard part is still ahead once you start mastering those spiritual powers—they have a nasty habit of sabotaging you.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:It looks like that book is floating around online somewhere, so I might take a look at the ramblings of this stubborn, skeptical, introverted genius who lived right on the edge of human consciousness.

I also find myself wondering how much weight to give to the idea that if someone close to you shows extreme hostility, it could be based on several different things. Maybe it played a role in their downfall, or perhaps there was some deep-seated trauma or guilt involved, especially if what they said ended up being fabricated. It wouldn't be that crazy to think that some terrible life events acted as the catalyst for his personal quests, where those dark moments merged with the things that actually inspired him.

The ability to form these vivid images sounds pretty cool and seems like an advantage, but the risk of losing your mind, dealing with constant headaches, and all that other stuff is a huge red flag. To me, the emphasis on "intensity" and "empathy with others" feels a bit like a recipe for instability. It's almost like his personality was fractured through conflicts with people—since, let's face it, being an enemy is way easier than being a friend—which drove him to search for an internal "compass" within his subconscious. From there, those powerful images combined with the third-eye work led to a "breakthrough," or at least that's my guess. So, the idea that you have to keep your compass steady during a spiritual journey seems like the most important part of maintaining inner "silence." It feels like many people skip over that part because they're so desperate for actual change, which is pretty obvious.

Maybe people who are even more sensitive to sound aren't strictly having hallucinations either. It might just be a state of being where their perception of sound fields is hyper-sensitive, making it highly individualized and symptomatic in its own unique way. Either way, it would be fascinating to figure out the specific mechanisms behind these shifts if we ever wanted to reverse them or steer them in a better direction.

Thanks for sharing that bit of your personal experience 👍

No worries—a little ego stroking never hurt anyone. 🙂

Look, I’ve always maintained that enlightenment is a lifelong journey—I never claimed to be "done" with self-work. The core markers of enlightenment are present in my life, and that’s all I’m saying. Nothing more, nothing less. 👍

Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.

Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

That’s what I said—the path of an enlightened person is endless; some things are simply worth chasing forever.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

It doesn't just happen; I can see my own aura, and while it's white, it isn't perfectly pure—certain things are hard to clear out, like future illnesses or childhood complexes.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

I already wrote this: becoming enlightened is just a way to give yourself more work—work in every sense of the word.

As for these methods of enlightenment, they're just fairy tales; you can't reach enlightenment through specific techniques like meditation, fasting, or sleep deprivation. How is someone who withdraws from the world supposed to contribute to society? That’s exactly what priests and various monks do—they retreat to their dens and try to reach enlightenment through artificial means. The best way is simply to live as a saint, and that’s it; there is no other way. You can meditate for 50 years, but if your mind is broken, you aren't going to get enlightened.

Gregory Jackson, you would be better off stepping back from just one single system or method of enlightenment; you seem to have latched onto one specific view, which leads nowhere. Half the things that your guy Lubis—or whatever his name is—says are nonsense; he just makes stuff up to stay popular. For instance, you wrote in the thread about Tesla that his glowing body was on some mountain in Greece, but who actually proved that?
How much did Tesla actually say about the light body dispersing and shifting form after death? He wouldn't claim he’s just sitting around waiting at some specific GPS coordinate—that's not how it works. From my own experience, nothing in the paranormal realm is ever strictly tied to a fixed location, whether we're talking about light bodies, orbs, or whatever else. Based on what Ljubisa says, what does a dying person's light body even look like?[/i]

If you’re going to claim people should focus on themselves instead of me while simultaneously preaching about Oneness, you’re basically lying to yourself—there is no distinction between us in Oneness. We are all one, which means my experience is yours too, provided you actually open yourself up enough to learn from it. There isn't some arbitrary distance between me and anyone else here; I'm just sharing what I've lived through, though apparently, hearing someone's actual experience is an issue for you. Would it be better if we spent ten posts beating around the bush instead of just using plain English to say how things work? It really is that simple—you open the heart chakra (the third is the easiest starting point), then gradually move through the sixth, then all seven, and the path just unfolds without needing some rigid manual.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

In the beginning, I used to go through these phases where I’d have visions a few nights a week. If they didn't show up, I'd end up with these nasty headaches, feeling super weak, and even getting bouts of fever. There were times I just couldn't sleep at all because of it.

When you say "in the beginning," could you maybe elaborate on what actually triggered that starting point? Because once you crossed that line, missing out on the experience meant headaches, and in some cases, all sorts of complications followed... which sounds like you might have been at odds with yourself in a way. I wonder if that felt like a significant loss of control over your own will, or if it felt more like an internal conflict of goals, like you were fighting against certain expectations?

Now, I have these visions almost every night. I've gotten used to sleeping about five or six hours, and I've sort of found a rhythm with the world. I'm not really sensitive to sound, just the visuals. And honestly, they aren't hallucinations like someone else mentioned; it's more like an image forming mentally in the area of the sixth chakra, almost like a movie screen. I usually tilt my eyes down at a 30 to 40-degree angle to tighten them—I read somewhere online that this helps sync brain waves to lower frequencies—and then these images of objects or even specific events from my life start appearing.

Aside from Michael Talbot’s *Holographic Universe*, I haven't really stumbled upon any other sources that try to describe or interpret phenomena like this.

Honestly, I was probably ready for a psych ward at one point. Luckily, I kept my mouth shut and kept my experiences to myself. As for being at war with myself—it wasn't just "somehow," it was in every possible way. At first, it was an absolute disaster. I couldn't stop the imagery; I’d spend entire nights wide awake just staring at them. It was rough—things are much better now, though.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

In the beginning, I used to go through these phases where I’d have visions a few nights a week. If they didn't show up, I'd end up with these nasty headaches, feeling super weak, and even getting bouts of fever. There were times I just couldn't sleep at all because of it.

When you say "in the beginning," could you maybe elaborate on what actually triggered that starting point? Because once you crossed that line, missing out on the experience meant headaches, and in some cases, all sorts of complications followed... which sounds like you might have been at odds with yourself in a way. I wonder if that felt like a significant loss of control over your own will, or if it felt more like an internal conflict of goals, like you were fighting against certain expectations?

Now, I have these visions almost every night. I've gotten used to sleeping about five or six hours, and I've sort of found a rhythm with the world. I'm not really sensitive to sound, just the visuals. And honestly, they aren't hallucinations like someone else mentioned; it's more like an image forming mentally in the area of the sixth chakra, almost like a movie screen. I usually tilt my eyes down at a 30 to 40-degree angle to tighten them—I read somewhere online that this helps sync brain waves to lower frequencies—and then these images of objects or even specific events from my life start appearing.

Aside from Michael Talbot’s *Holographic Universe*, I haven't really stumbled upon any other sources that try to describe or interpret phenomena like this.

It was pure chaos at first—now, the imagery is starting to relate more closely to my own life. It's possible they were always connected to me, but back then, I couldn't see the link between the visions and my own psyche. The images show pivotal past events, things I witnessed that day, or even future occurrences. Personal willpower doesn't have much say in it; you could say that in those moments, I lose control over my thoughts and just let the current take me wherever it wants to go.

And as for what triggered it all—intensive work on opening the third eye, combined with some pretty heavy self-work regarding empathy and how I interact with the world.

wearyhawk83 said:There’s something seriously refreshing about this perspective. No matter how powerful a person thinks they are, we can't possibly grasp the full scale of reality—we're just seeing tiny fragments of the bigger picture through our own limited lenses. So, instead of constantly hunting for better glasses to sharpen the view, wouldn't it be way smarter to just find a way to ditch the prescription altogether?

So, you’re basically out here acting like you’ve reached total enlightenment or something!
If you’ve already reached enlightenment, then why even bring it up?

I don't think I need anyone's permission to mention it—it just came up naturally during the debate, which, let's be honest, is what this whole discussion is about anyway.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:I guess I was being a bit vague there. I think what I was getting at is that when people experience astral projections or whatever, they usually expect to see glimpses of the future first. Honestly, the idea kind of creeps me out—I feel like that path leads straight to obsession. But then again, maybe there's a positive side to it, like using those flashes for creative brainstorming or doing some mental dry run to make something happen. I guess what I wanted to ask is: do you ever wonder if those images—which are partly glimpses of the past—are actually just products of your own desires? Or maybe they're tied to old traumas? Like, could intense emotions or certain past hurts be conditioning us to focus on specific scenes, making them stick in our minds more easily than other things, whether we want them to or not? I also wondered if, when you see these past events, you notice the visions changing, expanding, or adding new details over time. Our memories, especially the ones we try to recall under hypnosis, might be partially manufactured by how our brain processed those experiences in the first place...

Speaking of false memories, I think Nikola had a brother, maybe named Dan or something similar? Apparently, his brother passed away as a child, and during the whole chaos of it, he was accused of pushing Nikola down the stairs. Little Nikola didn't even remember doing it, so maybe that's a case of false memories—or just huge gaps in memory, I guess.

That’s super interesting to think about, both from his brother's perspective and Nikola's. I mean, childhood jealousy and those sudden outbursts among siblings aren't exactly rare, right? Kids sort of condition each other in those ways...

It also helps explain this: "despite breaks in his education due to being sickly and dealing with the heavy psychological trauma caused by the death of his older brother Dan, Tesla continued his studies at the University of Graz in Austria."

Nikola was also pretty sick quite often; if I remember correctly from a lecture I heard, he was on the verge of death a few times. If he carried any sense of guilt regarding his brother's death, maybe that's why he tried so hard to leave his mark on the world in the present moment—to ensure he stayed, rather than someone else... Either way, that doesn't sound like a fact anyone would want to carry around in their head, and from a standpoint of weakened immunity and health issues, it seems like a pretty big clue.

Astral projection is tied directly to dreaming—you travel astrally while you sleep—so this stuff has absolutely nothing to do with those images.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:I guess I was being a bit vague there. I think what I was getting at is that when people experience astral projections or whatever, they usually expect to see glimpses of the future first. Honestly, the idea kind of creeps me out—I feel like that path leads straight to obsession. But then again, maybe there's a positive side to it, like using those flashes for creative brainstorming or doing some mental dry run to make something happen. I guess what I wanted to ask is: do you ever wonder if those images—which are partly glimpses of the past—are actually just products of your own desires? Or maybe they're tied to old traumas? Like, could intense emotions or certain past hurts be conditioning us to focus on specific scenes, making them stick in our minds more easily than other things, whether we want them to or not? I also wondered if, when you see these past events, you notice the visions changing, expanding, or adding new details over time. Our memories, especially the ones we try to recall under hypnosis, might be partially manufactured by how our brain processed those experiences in the first place...

Speaking of false memories, I think Nikola had a brother, maybe named Dan or something similar? Apparently, his brother passed away as a child, and during the whole chaos of it, he was accused of pushing Nikola down the stairs. Little Nikola didn't even remember doing it, so maybe that's a case of false memories—or just huge gaps in memory, I guess.

That’s super interesting to think about, both from his brother's perspective and Nikola's. I mean, childhood jealousy and those sudden outbursts among siblings aren't exactly rare, right? Kids sort of condition each other in those ways...

It also helps explain this: "despite breaks in his education due to being sickly and dealing with the heavy psychological trauma caused by the death of his older brother Dan, Tesla continued his studies at the University of Graz in Austria."

Nikola was also pretty sick quite often; if I remember correctly from a lecture I heard, he was on the verge of death a few times. If he carried any sense of guilt regarding his brother's death, maybe that's why he tried so hard to leave his mark on the world in the present moment—to ensure he stayed, rather than someone else... Either way, that doesn't sound like a fact anyone would want to carry around in their head, and from a standpoint of weakened immunity and health issues, it seems like a pretty big clue.

At first, it’s pure obsession—you just crave more and more of those future visions. Eventually, you get used to it, and it all starts to blur together—past, present, future, none of it really matters anymore. Everything gets so tangled up that you can't even tell which experience belongs to your own subconscious and which is just some external "hallucination."

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:I guess I was being a bit vague there. I think what I was getting at is that when people experience astral projections or whatever, they usually expect to see glimpses of the future first. Honestly, the idea kind of creeps me out—I feel like that path leads straight to obsession. But then again, maybe there's a positive side to it, like using those flashes for creative brainstorming or doing some mental dry run to make something happen. I guess what I wanted to ask is: do you ever wonder if those images—which are partly glimpses of the past—are actually just products of your own desires? Or maybe they're tied to old traumas? Like, could intense emotions or certain past hurts be conditioning us to focus on specific scenes, making them stick in our minds more easily than other things, whether we want them to or not? I also wondered if, when you see these past events, you notice the visions changing, expanding, or adding new details over time. Our memories, especially the ones we try to recall under hypnosis, might be partially manufactured by how our brain processed those experiences in the first place...

Speaking of false memories, I think Nikola had a brother, maybe named Dan or something similar? Apparently, his brother passed away as a child, and during the whole chaos of it, he was accused of pushing Nikola down the stairs. Little Nikola didn't even remember doing it, so maybe that's a case of false memories—or just huge gaps in memory, I guess.

That’s super interesting to think about, both from his brother's perspective and Nikola's. I mean, childhood jealousy and those sudden outbursts among siblings aren't exactly rare, right? Kids sort of condition each other in those ways...

It also helps explain this: "despite breaks in his education due to being sickly and dealing with the heavy psychological trauma caused by the death of his older brother Dan, Tesla continued his studies at the University of Graz in Austria."

Nikola was also pretty sick quite often; if I remember correctly from a lecture I heard, he was on the verge of death a few times. If he carried any sense of guilt regarding his brother's death, maybe that's why he tried so hard to leave his mark on the world in the present moment—to ensure he stayed, rather than someone else... Either way, that doesn't sound like a fact anyone would want to carry around in their head, and from a standpoint of weakened immunity and health issues, it seems like a pretty big clue.

Early memories start surfacing—stuff you wouldn't normally be aware of—and since traumatic experiences tend to pop up just as often, it can get pretty uncomfortable. You’re basically left completely exposed to your own subconscious, which opens the door to all sorts of complications and reliving old traumas. The stronger the connection to a past event, the more intense the mental replays become.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:I guess I was being a bit vague there. I think what I was getting at is that when people experience astral projections or whatever, they usually expect to see glimpses of the future first. Honestly, the idea kind of creeps me out—I feel like that path leads straight to obsession. But then again, maybe there's a positive side to it, like using those flashes for creative brainstorming or doing some mental dry run to make something happen. I guess what I wanted to ask is: do you ever wonder if those images—which are partly glimpses of the past—are actually just products of your own desires? Or maybe they're tied to old traumas? Like, could intense emotions or certain past hurts be conditioning us to focus on specific scenes, making them stick in our minds more easily than other things, whether we want them to or not? I also wondered if, when you see these past events, you notice the visions changing, expanding, or adding new details over time. Our memories, especially the ones we try to recall under hypnosis, might be partially manufactured by how our brain processed those experiences in the first place...

Speaking of false memories, I think Nikola had a brother, maybe named Dan or something similar? Apparently, his brother passed away as a child, and during the whole chaos of it, he was accused of pushing Nikola down the stairs. Little Nikola didn't even remember doing it, so maybe that's a case of false memories—or just huge gaps in memory, I guess.

That’s super interesting to think about, both from his brother's perspective and Nikola's. I mean, childhood jealousy and those sudden outbursts among siblings aren't exactly rare, right? Kids sort of condition each other in those ways...

It also helps explain this: "despite breaks in his education due to being sickly and dealing with the heavy psychological trauma caused by the death of his older brother Dan, Tesla continued his studies at the University of Graz in Austria."

Nikola was also pretty sick quite often; if I remember correctly from a lecture I heard, he was on the verge of death a few times. If he carried any sense of guilt regarding his brother's death, maybe that's why he tried so hard to leave his mark on the world in the present moment—to ensure he stayed, rather than someone else... Either way, that doesn't sound like a fact anyone would want to carry around in their head, and from a standpoint of weakened immunity and health issues, it seems like a pretty big clue.

I’ve noticed that the exact same trauma can be interpreted in totally different ways—even when the actual content doesn't change. It just goes to show how subjective lived experiences are, which basically kills any hope for objective observation. Honestly, someone else might actually provide a better commentary on my experiences than I can myself—everything stays limited by my current moods and flawed interpretations. All in all, these replays are great for studying one's own identity and clearing out various mental blocks—which, let's face it, are mostly things we create ourselves because we fail to experience the outside world objectively.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

Forty years in the dark? Depends on how much karma you’ve racked up—whatever baggage you’re lugging from a past life, I guess. Personally, I’d build him a monument just for hanging in there without abandoning his path.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

I doubt it even more than you do—but facts suggest otherwise. Those Buddhist monks aren't really working on spirituality, because an isolated person can't engage with the world and reach true enlightenment. Their love is unexpressed; nobody actually feels loved by it.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

Enlightenment happens before realization, and no, you aren't "done" once you're enlightened—it's just that the ego becomes a lot more subtle.

hiddenhound3 said:Whew!

Look, I am genuinely happy if you truly are enlightened and if you inhabit your own essence—if that is indeed who you ARE—but I have to admit that I remain skeptical. I know plenty of people who are deeply spiritual and possess an incredibly high level of self-awareness, but they didn't reach that state simply by reading spiritual books. They achieved it through decades of active, rigorous pursuit and work. Yet, not a single one of them would ever dare to claim they are enlightened. Those are powerful individuals whose mere presence provides a sense of revitalization.

I assume this also implies that you bear responsibility for those around you who are not yet enlightened. Tell me, what does it actually feel like to be enlightened?

You aren't responsible for anyone—in fact, you kind of detach from everyone else; you become an observer waiting to be called upon rather than forcing yourself into the spotlight.
It was rough at first—I lost ground in every area because I couldn't handle the "enlightenment attacks"—but eventually, I adjusted.
I can say I’ve lived my whole life properly just to be enlightened, and honestly, I always was—but before those "attacks," I hit rock bottom. It’s a phase you have to pass through, I guess; everything looks bleak, you lose yourself in the daily grind, and everything feels gray, lifeless, monotonous, and boring. The world seems ugly and it's hard to be part of it—though, as they say, "the night is darkest before the dawn." Being enlightened is a state where you simply Are and nothing else—you just love your neighbor without even thinking about bad deeds, your goals are met easily, and everything you do is done with love. People sense it, so you're constantly surrounded by folks who adore you and put you on a pedestal—even if solitude would sometimes be the better move. A person who has opened their heart chakra enough to feel love as warmth in their chest is on the path. Once you master—or rather, control—all seven chakras, you're left with "levels 8 and 9." The key ones are 3, 6, and finally enlightenment at "level 9"—some claim there are 10 levels, but I don't buy that, or at least I haven't reached them yet. It isn't always wonderful being enlightened; sometimes it’s just a burden you carry, and self-doubt only intensifies—making the search for oneself feel like an impossible mission where you never quite grasp who or what you are. Still, some things are worth searching for eternally, and that's the point—you're always on the path, or as you might say, riding your own horse. I’ve received plenty of answers through visions of our existence and other invisible realms, but I still don't know who I am or where I am—maybe that's why it could be said I'm not enlightened, just like those of yours who refuse to call themselves that.👍

hiddenhound3 said:I also maintain that such enlightenment is necessary, yet I believe we are not quite prepared for it; much like you, I feel that many individuals approach this path incorrectly, though the sheer persistence they exhibit is moving and remains an absolute necessity.

However, it appears that the Age of Enlightenment failed to yield its intended fruit. One need only look around to see the destructive and apocalyptic civilization in which we currently reside—a society built upon entirely misguided and inhumane values of materialism and consumerism. It is a neurotic era, and if I may borrow the sentiment of a great American thinker, it is one characterized by cynicism toward lofty ideals, where individuals strive more to be perceived as "right" than to actually be righteous.

Slavery and witch hunts have not been eradicated; they have merely been syncopated. While the focal points and methods have shifted, the fundamental impulse to persecute and hate persists, leaving fear and demoralization to govern the world.

There are two types of people: those for whom spirituality and holiness are merely subjects of academic study—a trend that is quite prevalent today because it serves to bolster the ego rather than diminish it, leading to petty arguments even on forums about who is at a higher level of development—and then there are those who truly live their spirituality and holiness, and they will eventually achieve enlightenment.

Indeed, there are two categories of people: the enlightened and the unenlightened. Regrettably, the former constitutes a significantly smaller percentage of the population, and as for who might eventually reach enlightenment, I would not dare to make a prediction; we likely never will know.

Knowledge, wisdom, and enlightenment above all else.

Alas, there is far too much posturing on the way to getting there.

Not really—I consider myself enlightened, and I haven't "ridden" anywhere.

Modern society is exactly what you described, but global peace and stability could actually stem from mass enlightenment. Just striving and devouring spiritual books is worlds apart from actually living it—that’s where people trip up—too much reading and not enough actual work on oneself. That seems to be the core issue today.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Do you happen to have a link that explains this phenomenon a bit more clearly?

From what I recall, N. Tesla had this long phase where he’d just visualize things constantly, like traveling all over or picturing specific places and whatnot...

I wonder if it's possible for things that actually happened to blend together with stuff that never really did? I stumbled upon an article recently claiming that kids experience false memories too—basically saying everyone has them and it's way more common than people realize. I guess if it's widespread, then it's technically "normal." It might explain Jung's earliest dreams, since he used them as a foundation for his mystical leanings; he used to say in his biographies that there were certain images in those early dreams that he simply couldn't have seen anywhere else. I don't think most people would love the idea that they have false memories, but it's a pretty interesting claim coming from scientific circles—treating it as a general rule rather than just some weird exception.

Trust me, I looked everywhere and couldn't find a single decent explanation—until I finally picked up a book on Tesla. Before that, I didn't even have a clue what we were actually talking about.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Do you happen to have a link that explains this phenomenon a bit more clearly?

From what I recall, N. Tesla had this long phase where he’d just visualize things constantly, like traveling all over or picturing specific places and whatnot...

I wonder if it's possible for things that actually happened to blend together with stuff that never really did? I stumbled upon an article recently claiming that kids experience false memories too—basically saying everyone has them and it's way more common than people realize. I guess if it's widespread, then it's technically "normal." It might explain Jung's earliest dreams, since he used them as a foundation for his mystical leanings; he used to say in his biographies that there were certain images in those early dreams that he simply couldn't have seen anywhere else. I don't think most people would love the idea that they have false memories, but it's a pretty interesting claim coming from scientific circles—treating it as a general rule rather than just some weird exception.

Sure, you can get a full vision of the day ahead—or at least a snippet of what’s coming—but I'm not so sure about false memories. Tesla actually used to gamble just to test how accurate his visions were—a bit of a practical experiment, I suppose. Of course, to have the kind of foresight he did, you'd need a specific genetic makeup designed for it; being the son of an Orthodox priest and a clairvoyant basically guaranteed those genes for him, though it was likely more of a burden than a gift.

Speaking of false memories—Nicholas actually had a brother, I think his name was Dan or something similar—who died when he was just a kid. During a sleepover, Nicholas was accused of pushing him down the stairs. Little Nicholas didn't recall doing it at all—just another case of false memories, or maybe just gaps in the memory?

hiddenhound3 said:Very well, let us accept your premise, though it does little to soothe my inherent skepticism regarding the Enlightenment. While I would not describe myself as a particularly religious person—truthfully, not at all—I cannot help but wonder why the gods seem so relentlessly cruel toward the mythological enlighteners, such as Eve, Prometheus, and Lucifer. What, then, truly constitutes enlightenment? Is it something we actually require? Are we even capable of handling it?

I find myself reflecting on these questions quite frequently, yet a definitive answer remains elusive. One must ask whether the widespread availability of sacred texts has contributed to the profanation of the holy. Is true knowledge and profound insight something that can be acquired instantly, or is it a pursuit reserved for a select few who were willing to renounce worldly comforts to devote themselves to the Divine?

What, in the final analysis, has the Enlightenment actually provided us that is good? 🤷

Enlightenment is the ultimate state of the spirit—obviously we need it, and we’re more than ready. History is full of enlightened souls who left their mark on human progress.

hiddenhound3 said:Very well, let us accept your premise, though it does little to soothe my inherent skepticism regarding the Enlightenment. While I would not describe myself as a particularly religious person—truthfully, not at all—I cannot help but wonder why the gods seem so relentlessly cruel toward the mythological enlighteners, such as Eve, Prometheus, and Lucifer. What, then, truly constitutes enlightenment? Is it something we actually require? Are we even capable of handling it?

I find myself reflecting on these questions quite frequently, yet a definitive answer remains elusive. One must ask whether the widespread availability of sacred texts has contributed to the profanation of the holy. Is true knowledge and profound insight something that can be acquired instantly, or is it a pursuit reserved for a select few who were willing to renounce worldly comforts to devote themselves to the Divine?

What, in the final analysis, has the Enlightenment actually provided us that is good? 🤷

There are two types of people: those for whom spirituality and holiness are just subjects of study—which is incredibly common nowadays since it mostly just builds the ego rather than doing the opposite—leading to forum debates about who is at a "higher level" of development, and then there are those who actually live out their spirituality and holiness. Those are the ones who will eventually reach enlightenment.

hiddenhound3 said:Very well, let us accept your premise, though it does little to soothe my inherent skepticism regarding the Enlightenment. While I would not describe myself as a particularly religious person—truthfully, not at all—I cannot help but wonder why the gods seem so relentlessly cruel toward the mythological enlighteners, such as Eve, Prometheus, and Lucifer. What, then, truly constitutes enlightenment? Is it something we actually require? Are we even capable of handling it?

I find myself reflecting on these questions quite frequently, yet a definitive answer remains elusive. One must ask whether the widespread availability of sacred texts has contributed to the profanation of the holy. Is true knowledge and profound insight something that can be acquired instantly, or is it a pursuit reserved for a select few who were willing to renounce worldly comforts to devote themselves to the Divine?

What, in the final analysis, has the Enlightenment actually provided us that is good? 🤷

Knowledge, wisdom, and enlightenment, above all else.

hiddenhound3 said:Personally, I have never held much affection for the Enlightenment; my distaste stems not from its questioning of religious dogma, but rather because it merely introduced a different kind of dogma—rationalization.

I hold a remarkably similar view regarding Maria Theresa—she served as little more than a strategic matchmaker for her daughters, ensuring that the reach of Austria extended across as much of Europe as possible. It was a profoundly rational maneuver, driven entirely by greed and a raw "will to power."

Furthermore, I find myself unconvinced by any notion of collective salvation, whether it be the spiritual promises offered by Christ or the secular ideals championed by the Enlightenment. It is difficult to quantify the exact damage the Enlightenment has inflicted upon the world, perhaps no more so than Christianity itself, but they are essentially two ends of the same rope being tightened around our necks.

As for slavery, it will never truly be eradicated, for the root issue lies in the ambivalent nature of humanity—that we possess an inherent drive to both rule and be ruled. Only when there is a fundamental shift in human consciousness—specifically, when we move past dualities and abandon the concepts of currency, power, and ownership—will the entire structure change, allowing true prosperity and happiness to surface. For the time being, such qualities are only visible in isolated individuals who remain unattached to any movement, regardless of whether they emerge from religious circles or the philosophical-scientific milieu of the Enlightenment.

Rationalism is a theory of knowledge—a philosophical school suggesting objective reality can only be grasped through thought, built entirely on the mind, reason, and intellect.
The Enlightenment is an entirely different beast; read Zadig by Voltaire and you might actually see the distinction.

The Enlightenment thinkers were essentially the era's premier critics—though most people today struggle to grasp their work because they have zero clue what was actually happening in the 18th century, let alone how to contextualize those texts within the political landscape of the time. Some of these pieces lean heavily into metaphysics or function as philosophical novels exploring spirituality. Everyone really ought to read Voltaire’s >—it’s mandatory reading that definitely sharpens the mind. For those looking for something a bit more philosophical, there's > and > as well.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Nikola Tesla was easily one of the most legendary figures to ever walk the earth, and he’s earned so much respect over the years. His life story isn't even *that* long ago, so I guess you could say people have already started weaving all these myths and legends around his biography.

Since he was such a famous inventor, even the tiny, mundane details about how he lived really fascinated people. If I recall correctly, he might have even kept a journal at some point. I’ve spent quite a bit of time looking into his life—watching documentaries (like those special feature CDs you’d get with magazines from the Tree of Knowledge, or just random TV specials), reading a book that was part of a high school curriculum back in the old days of the US, listening to lectures from the New Acropolis, and just browsing around online.

There’s a lot of talk about how he barely slept, or how he absolutely hated going to doctors, even when he actually had health issues. He used to obsessively count distances he walked or whatever, and he would basically build his entire inventions in his mind before ever touching a tool. He was also a huge advocate for world peace, never married, and apparently, because his work pace was so intense, he just couldn't find anyone who could actually keep up with him. He’d host a press conference once a year and stuff like that. One thing I found particularly interesting in his biography was how, despite sleeping so little, he mentioned dreaming or visualizing himself traveling all over the place right before drifting off (he was a big reader, too). He’d sometimes wait for these mental images to appear, noting that if they didn't show up, he knew he was in for a long, restless night.

I’m actually really curious about that part from a spiritual perspective. Could anyone weigh in on this based on your own experiences with meditation or anything similar?

This is tied directly to enlightenment—anyone hitting those stages or experiencing flashes of it will see images before their eyes. Early on, I was having these visions several nights a week—if they didn't show up, I’d end up with a headache, feeling weak, or running a fever. There were nights I couldn't sleep at all because of it. Now, it happens almost every night. I've settled into a rhythm of sleeping about 5 or 6 hours—it's how I sync up with the world. It isn't sound sensitivity, just visual. And let's be clear: these aren't hallucinations like someone else claimed—the images manifest mentally around the sixth chakra area, almost like a movie screen. I tilt my eyes down at a 30-40 degree angle to tension them—I read somewhere online that this helps align brain waves to lower frequencies—and that's when the images of objects or past events start appearing.