Adoption: A beautiful gesture that can turn into a nightmare
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The quoting tool is broken, this whole thing is a mess... 🙂
The quoting tool is broken, this whole thing is a mess... 🙂
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hiddensailor14 said:Try to be more subtle about the recording so she doesn't catch on. And please, don't keep all that footage in one spot. Make backups, email them to yourself, cloud storage... just make sure it exists somewhere safe.
Have you tried talking to him? Not by accusing him, but just letting him know how you feel and how much this is weighing on you. Maybe he could try to settle her down, or at least be some kind of emotional support for you. It's possible he's dealing with the same nonsense behind closed doors.
Some older women can be absolute nightmares—I knew one who spent her whole life acting like a "housewife" while her husband provided everything; she just managed the house and the kid (not like it was a heavy workload🙄 ). Now her son is in a serious relationship and getting ready to marry, and she realized she can't manipulate him anymore. Since his partner actually matters to him, she's turned into this bitter woman doing everything in her power to tear them apart😲
Are you some kind of creep lurking around young women with unstable lives?
😳 😛
It doesn't work quite the way you think it does. I don't know which college major you're pursuing, but at some universities, you can basically coast through, though if you skip lectures—especially labs or practical seminars—you'll definitely fail. You could take a gap year, but that usually comes with its own set of complications.
An application for student housing? And what would she even say? That she needs to live alone? The administration doesn't care about that. The criteria for getting a dorm spot are pretty clear-cut, and "not being able to live with family" isn't one of them, no matter how tragic the situation might be.
Hmm, I wouldn't exactly agree with the bolded comment. Those kinds of manipulators can make life incredibly difficult for their targets, and whether that falls under the umbrella of psychiatry is something worth debating.😉
I personally believe people like that should be exposed without any mercy.
hiddensailor14 said:Try to be more subtle about the recording so she doesn't catch on. And please, don't keep all that footage in one spot. Make backups, email them to yourself, cloud storage... just make sure it exists somewhere safe.
Have you tried talking to him? Not by accusing him, but just letting him know how you feel and how much this is weighing on you. Maybe he could try to settle her down, or at least be some kind of emotional support for you. It's possible he's dealing with the same nonsense behind closed doors.
Some older women can be absolute nightmares—I knew one who spent her whole life acting like a "housewife" while her husband provided everything; she just managed the house and the kid (not like it was a heavy workload🙄 ). Now her son is in a serious relationship and getting ready to marry, and she realized she can't manipulate him anymore. Since his partner actually matters to him, she's turned into this bitter woman doing everything in her power to tear them apart😲
Are you some kind of creep lurking around young women with unstable lives?
😳 😛
It doesn't work quite the way you think it does. I don't know which college major you're pursuing, but at some universities, you can basically coast through, though if you skip lectures—especially labs or practical seminars—you'll definitely fail. You could take a gap year, but that usually comes with its own set of complications.
An application for student housing? And what would she even say? That she needs to live alone? The administration doesn't care about that. The criteria for getting a dorm spot are pretty clear-cut, and "not being able to live with family" isn't one of them, no matter how tragic the situation might be.
Hmm, I wouldn't exactly agree with the bolded comment. Those kinds of manipulators can make life incredibly difficult for their targets, and whether that falls under the umbrella of psychiatry is something worth debating.😉
I personally believe people like that should be exposed without any mercy.
Lawrence Allen49 said:Patience, my friend, patience.
On top of that, there's the issue of dealing with someone who isn't even a mental health case—not by modern American standards, anyway. She's just a master manipulator and a total bully. In the end, she could easily spin a narrative to anyone listening, claiming she's the victim of abuse from some unstable girl, which is exactly what she's currently blathering about to everyone in the neighborhood. Would you want that label on yourself? How do you prove you're the victim? With words? That's why the police tell you, "Call us when it's actually happening."
Plus, her husband is home, her mother is there, and the neighbors are watching. If you shove her in jail, you might be opening a whole new Pandora's box, so you have to tread carefully.
And sure, IMD is great. Of course he is. But I don't think posting half-baked solutions online in the heat of the moment is actually enough.😉
Lawrence Allen49 said:Patience, my friend, patience.
On top of that, there's the issue of dealing with someone who isn't even a mental health case—not by modern American standards, anyway. She's just a master manipulator and a total bully. In the end, she could easily spin a narrative to anyone listening, claiming she's the victim of abuse from some unstable girl, which is exactly what she's currently blathering about to everyone in the neighborhood. Would you want that label on yourself? How do you prove you're the victim? With words? That's why the police tell you, "Call us when it's actually happening."
Plus, her husband is home, her mother is there, and the neighbors are watching. If you shove her in jail, you might be opening a whole new Pandora's box, so you have to tread carefully.
And sure, IMD is great. Of course he is. But I don't think posting half-baked solutions online in the heat of the moment is actually enough.😉
Kevin Bailey2 said:Just move out.
Explain the situation to your professors... tell them why you had to leave (don't be afraid to mention you're a victim of domestic abuse) and why you need to work just to cover tuition, food, clothes, and everything else.
You’ll need to say that in case you need them to excuse you from classes—because let’s face it, the credit system here can be a total nightmare when it comes to scheduling.
You should probably also file an application for student housing; it'll make things a hell of a lot easier on your wallet.
You can usually find something through a campus job board.😁
Just finish your degree. For real. And stay true to yourself.
The truth is, you can't get anywhere with just a high school diploma.
I remind myself of that all the time when I feel like slacking off, since I graduated from a high school too.
Who cares what this loudmouth says?
It's obvious she's miserable and can't even stand being alone, let alone living with someone else.
In the future, don't take it to heart when people talk shit about you.
Some people just need a punching bag, and they don't care who they use to vent.👍
goldeneagle8 said:And look, if you ever get totally fed up with all this crap, just hit me up and you can come crash at my place👍
But seriously.... those old fossils can be such a massive pain in the ass, everything bugs them, they've got zero tolerance, and they just criticize you constantly... and the best part? Even if you were absolutely perfect, they'd find something about your perfection that annoyed them, but mostly, when they're nitpicking you, they're really just projecting their own insecurities onto you. It’s classic—they take everything they hate about themselves and dump it on someone else. It wouldn't even be a huge deal if it didn't happen every single day, but it’s constant. Like that old saying goes: a person who's unhappy with themselves will find fault in everything and everyone... including the smallest little things.
Just honestly stop giving a damn, that's your best move, because deep down you already know exactly what to do😉
hiddensailor14 said:Lawrence Allen49, honestly, after reading through all that, it's clear that woman has completely lost it. She’s practically textbook material for a psychiatric evaluation.😉 And instead of helping, Rebecca Thomas6 is eventually going to end up looking like the problem herself because of this mess.🙄 You can be the kindest soul on earth, but if you take a constant dose of someone playing mind games with you, you’ll lose your patience. You either become totally numb, or you start using the same toxic tactics as a psychotic manipulator just to survive. Or, failing that, you just snap and head straight to the local dive bar to drown it all.😁
I’m fairly certain the grandmother won't say a single word against her own daughter. It’s that classic, spineless, masochistic mentality where people just let themselves be walked over.👎
Rebecca Thomas6, you aren't stupid, so tell me—why do you keep sabotaging yourself by handing over information that this lunatic is just going to weaponize against you later?🤷
Get yourself a digital recorder or just use your phone to capture some audio of these outbursts. It would be even better if you could set up some cheap webcams around the house to record everything, especially if she starts getting physical with the elderly woman.
I'm curious, how does her husband handle all of this?
And it seems like these folks actually know their stuff when it comes to similar situations.
http://www.redcross.org/
http://www.nami.org/
http://www.washingtondc.gov/socialservices
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Yeah, next time she’s acting "normal" for those few fleeting hours, why don't you mention that you've been looking for advice online?🙂
Where does she get the will?
It’s what fuels her...😉
goldeneagle8 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around how someone who isn't even part of your family—especially when you *know* they aren't—can get under your skin and throw you totally out of whack like that... Seriously, when you're dealing with people that frustrated, the best move is just to shut down, tune them out, and let them vent into the void, because the second they feel you pushing back, they just double down and get even worse. And honestly, why even care what anyone thinks about you when everyone already knows she's just mentally unstable? Nobody takes people seriously when they're constantly running their mouths like that, so it’s on her, not you. Hang in there.
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Lawrence Allen49 said:Look, you can also look at it this way: a dog that barks a lot usually doesn't bite. Your mother is living in her own little world, feeding off neighborhood gossip. In the first ten houses on my block, I’ve got at least four old ladies like that. 🙂
You think I care what they say? It’s actually perfect. They can think the best or worst of me—honestly, it makes no difference. And either way, I get zero benefit from their little spectacles.
The problem with these women? Maybe menopause? Regret over their own life failures and clinging to a messy past? Not being able to have kids? Bad relationships? A guilty conscience? Lack of class? Politics in DC? Narrow-mindedness? Who knows. Could be anything. 🙂
But there is one person who can actually do something about it if they have the guts: you. Through your actions, your attitude, how you carry yourself and what you say, you can influence all of that. You can change your mother's path, if you actually care enough to try.
She isn't a saint, but she isn't crazy either. But if you two keep clashing and hating each other, she’s going to spiral even more, and you will too.
I don't know if you're capable of it, but if you can push your emotions aside, cool down that internal simmer, and realize that people change their nature—and that what the neighbors think based on your mother's stories really doesn't matter—you might actually come out looking like a role model in that neighborhood. You could even open some new doors for your mom. Personally, I’d try that first, just for the hell of it.
As for the abuse, I'd like to hear more. I grab coffee with legal professionals every morning, and I know that these days, one slap in the house and you're headed straight to jail.
The choice is yours...
Lawrence Allen49 said:Look, we're talking about this mom, right? We don't know the full story. We aren't living under her roof. And for the record, we actually want to help you. Think of it this way: we're trying to tackle this from the easiest fix to the most extreme one.
If she's physically hitting you and your grandma, look—I don't know if you've ever called the cops, but in the US, that’s a massive deal. That kind of stuff lands people in jail fast. If you and your grandma go to the police station, file an abuse report, and give a statement... things are going to get messy. Not even mentioning the legal battle over Social Security benefits.
You could always just tell her straight to her face to get her act together. Personally, I think Grandma would rather hand over some cash than see her own daughter end up behind bars, but hey, you never know.
Anyway, what city are you in?
Lawrence Allen49 said:** That girl (the one I mentioned earlier that you brought up) left her parents only to walk straight into a situation that’s twice as hellish. We have to plan for the future using whatever resources we actually have, because things could get much worse. You're too young to handle the big challenges right now—like moving out or finding a shelter—so it's just not the time. Don't view this relationship as some grand tragedy; everyone struggles with authority figures and older people. Try looking at it through a more mature lens. I know, you need affection and love. Fine, let's try to create that when it doesn't come naturally. Let's figure out what's going on with your mom, find the reasons behind her behavior, her weaknesses, flip the narrative, and call it a day...🙂 **
I get where you're coming from, obviously, but there aren't many moves left to make right now. Your mom threw out that insult about you being an outcast because that's just what moms do sometimes. Whatever. Out of a hundred terrible things she says, why did you latch onto that specific one? Newsflash: you aren't an outcast because you have a mom and a dad. And hey, Rebecca Thomas6! If they weren't around, you wouldn't even exist, right? Case closed. Besides, in my book, orphans aren't kids who lost parents; they're parents who abandon their kids. And you're definitely not that.
Good grief, kid, don't let those low blows hit you that hard.
And look, what I really want you to realize is this: stop taking other people's (bad) actions as your own—even if they end up sticking to you like a label. It's vital. Of course you're sensitive, and of course it hurts when your mom acts like that toward you, making it hard to function as a human being, but... try to pinpoint the cause. Force a change. I mean, you aren't going to spend your whole life moving houses just because of someone else's stupid outbursts, right? Especially since there's more nonsense like that everywhere these days.
Believe it or not, you can turn the biggest angel into your worst enemy, and vice versa, regardless of your history or how long it's been going on. You can still have a decent relationship there; it'll just take some work.
As for your future, I'm telling you this: don't let her actions crush you or drag you down. Try ignoring the insults for a week. If you have to, just play along. Or better yet, lean into the absurdity of it all. Stand tall and try to react calmly while your mom realizes the nonsense she's spewing to the neighbors and everyone in town about her own daughter.
She's basically projecting a massive amount of dissatisfaction onto you (regardless of whether she has a reason for it). The solution to everything you're dealing with is finding the answer to one question: "Why?"
Give it a shot. If it fails, then move out.
It's easy to say, "Just get a job and move out." Maybe. But if you mess that up, this whole thing with your mom will eventually feel like a luxury spa day at a high-end hotel.
You're almost twenty now; start thinking clearly. This might take time, but you can influence your mom to respect you. At the very least, aim to get her to stop degrading you and badmouthing you to the neighborhood. That's a much easier goal than trying to graduate, work, and grind from dawn to dusk just to pay rent—all because of a "mom" you were supposed to leave behind.
Adam Miller46 said:If you're living in hell, why would you consciously prolong the agony by enrolling in college...? Also, what kind of info is she gathering to destroy you (during those "sweet" periods)????
Maybe you should let her touch you. 🙂
People can become even more intensely malicious when they feel unloved, or perhaps they feel their pathetic attempts to fix things aren't being noticed. Who knows, maybe she just craves affection. 🤷 ...
I don't like the title. It could have easily been: retaining a biological child—a natural act that can become a living hell for some—the result remains the same.
Lawrence Allen49 said:Look, let me offer a little consolation here. Biological parents can lose those boundaries just as easily as the adoptive ones you described. Honestly, they don't just do it—they do it constantly, often on the same level as what you went through. If I actually sat down to list every single way things can go sideways, we'd be sitting here all day.
Just as an example: you wouldn't believe how some wealthy families can force their daughter into working at a local betting shop just because she didn't finish college. She’d get harassed constantly, and then they’d basically bleed her dry by spending almost her entire paycheck on groceries—to the point where she couldn't even afford basic clothes. This went on every single month for two or three years before she finally walked out. I should add, she was living under their roof, essentially acting like a maid.
I won't even bother listing them. It’s weird how those "chaotic childhood stories" look almost identical in families with an only daughter between the ages of 14 and 25. I guess that explains why so many of these girls end up staring blankly at the idea of marriage, seeing it as their only ticket out of that hellscape. Jealousy? Maybe. But honestly, it’s more about who's running the show.
Before you hit sixteen, you’re basically just a collection of traits being shaped by whoever raised you. Once those boundaries start to shift, that’s when the real chaos begins.
Look, Ugl, I'll be blunt: your mom’s behavior is pretty standard stuff, even for biological parents. Being adopted has its pros and cons—don't get hung up on that as an argument. Even if you aren't blood-related, I'm sure you changed their lives for the better when you were little. They carry that with them. As for the way your "mom" treats you? That's the part that cuts deep, I get it. But honestly, it’s typical behavior for biological parents. It happens everywhere. If anything, it's probably even more intense with biological families. You won't find a single household in America without some version of this drama playing out.
Honestly, my mom was pretty much my biggest adversary growing up, even if she’d give me the world if I asked. We just don't see eye to eye. It’s that classic standoff—probably similar to how you and your mom deal with things. But hey, she’s still my mother. You can be an orphan or live in a mansion, but some people just have this internal script running that you can't ever really calm down. I stopped fighting it a while ago. I’ve accepted that’s just who she is. Fighting with your mom is a losing game; it’s pointless. And honestly? It actually hurts when you end up "winning" an argument against her.
Maybe that’s the way to look at it. You didn't say much about the rest of it—especially the stuff that made you lose faith in the police—but honestly, it’s better to just accept Mom for who she is instead of expecting anything else or trying to negotiate. Not that negotiation would even work anyway. Moms in their 60s can be way too radical. They have all this free time to obsess over things and dwell on whatever absurd ideas pop into their heads. Toss in some messy family drama and a lifetime of bitter regrets, and they eventually lose touch with reality. It’s a lot to deal with, especially for someone like you who's just starting to find their footing.
Since your only real issue is your mom, maybe you should just lay it all out for us. Tell us everything. We can try to "tweak" the situation if we actually know what's going on. If we can figure out what's eating at him, maybe we can find some specialist or a clinic to help him snap out of it and start treating you like a human being.
Look, just try to be logical here. You’re her kid; she’s your mom. Even when she’s completely wrong—just let her win. Stop treating her like some legal guardian and start looking at her as your mother. Maybe that's the only way she'll finally see sense.
I get it. You’re stuck dwelling on what happened with her, looking back at everything like it was some kind of disaster. But honestly? Stop. Look at where you guys are headed and what this new relationship actually looks like for your future. That matters way more than rehashing the past.