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bluebison25 said:👍 That’s the comparison. 🙂😵
The right answer would be "Mother Nature", a healthy brain comes from genetics and inheritance, and I came from my parents.
P.S. You didn't give a clear or rational answer; that response was bordering on pure fantasy.
Paul Anderson2 said:So, I guess we should just hand kids sharp knives and matches, because otherwise they won't get any credit for not burning the house down or killing each other?
By that logic, a child born with a terminal illness or a deformity also gets no credit for making it into Paradise.
The way everything around us is justified is just... unbelievable. They say God created everything, but the natural world—which He supposedly made—is exactly how it needs to be, filled with bacteria, viruses, hunger, parasites, storms, earthquakes... yet people—whom He also made—aren't quite what they were meant to be. It’s as if some mysterious "evil" crept into them, something that doesn't show up anywhere else in the world except in humans, and somehow only affects people.
Justifying why God doesn't share His knowledge is kind of like saying you gave a starving African American a can opener: you gave him the tool, now he has to figure out the can himself, and his problems are basically solved.
bluebison25 said:Can someone explain the specific moments and methods by which God supposedly imprinted His knowledge into us human beings?
Let me give you some context regarding my own life: what I’ve established so far is that I had to attend elementary school, simply because that’s what American law requires. As far back as I can remember, I wasn't just sitting there catching flies; I was taking notes and then heading home to grind for two, three, or four hours every single day. I studied and acquired that foundational knowledge. I didn't just skim the surface; I went deep, as thorough as possible. Once that stage was over, American laws don't mandate or force an individual to continue their education. However, just like any other kid my age, I already knew exactly what my next move should be. So, by my own choice, I enrolled in high school. Since it was a vocational program, mastering the trade was essential—which happens to be my profession—so I gave it everything I had to learn as much as I could. Unlike elementary school, I spent less time studying at home and more time learning on the job. Eventually, I finished and gained a decent level of expertise, but I earned it entirely on my own. From there, I decided to pursue a degree in my field, and I completed all of it myself—meaning without any connections, favors, or some imaginary entity called "God."
Now, if I were a different kind of person, I might have barely scraped through elementary school with failing grades. I wouldn't have continued my education at all. My lack of knowledge would have been equal to my ignorance.
So here is my question: where, during my schooling and in the practical application of the skills I use in my current job, does "God" actually show up? What exactly did He do in my case? What exactly did He do for the collective knowledge of everyone on Earth? Did He do the learning for us and then just apply it? Does anyone have clear answers to my question? To me, the only logical answer is this: God doesn't distribute knowledge, because God doesn't even exist, regardless of whatever definition of "God" you choose to use...
Anthony Perez9 said:Thanks for the example of religious fanaticism, where God supposedly grants certain insights that remain out of reach for us atheists. 😁
'The Poem of the God-man' (spanning 18 volumes) includes mentions of screws and iron horseshoes that were totally unknown in ancient Palestine at the time (Vol. 1, p. 195, 223), not to mention the blatant antisemitism that plagues the whole thing—describing Jewish corpses as being "no less like snakes" (V: p. 623);
The Blessed Virgin rants about how Rome had every right to fear that "tribe of murderers" (V: p. 642). There's even a fictional Jew who converts because "the cult of Israel has become Satanism" (V: p. 673). The conflict between Pontius Pilate and the high Jewish Sanhedrin reads like a trashy comedy sketch, especially when Pilate tries to distance himself by claiming he can smell the Jewish stench" (V: pp. 557 ff), and so on.
It’s all particularly grotesque considering this was written while the ovens of Auschwitz were burning;
the risen Christ explains that God withdrew from Jewish rituals and that Judaism is "dead forever."
Valtorta paints Jews as God-killers. Beyond just Jesus' followers, she claims "the entire Jewish nation gathered in Jerusalem wanted His death" (V: p. 293). Apparently, the whole city showed up just to spit on Jesus. While Roman soldiers try to minimize His suffering, the executioners—described as having a "distinct Jewish profile" (V: p. 563)—are the ones whipping the Savior and nailing Him to the cross. Even Jesus' plea, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," is directed toward the bickering thieves on the crosses rather than the thousands of Jewish accusers. "Therefore," the risen Jesus interprets, "God withdrew from Jewish worship, making Judaism 'dead forever.' Their rituals are nothing more than 'gestures any historian could mimic on a stage or in an amphitheater'" (V: p. 831). Valtorta even mocks Jerusalem as the place where the synagogue received God's indictment and rejection due to its countless atrocities" (V: p. 869).
After all that heavy-handed antisemitism, Jesus gives us wrong info by claiming the Godfather's straw was actually stardust (rather than our galaxy containing billions of stars). He performs a Bar Mitzvah, which wouldn't have been a thing then, the descriptions of the Temple are completely off, Jewish customs are skipped over, and almost nobody drinks wine. The name Jehovah is tossed around frequently, despite being unknown back then and God's name being forbidden to speak.
Sexuality is described with utter contempt; men disgust Mary, and Jesus claims animals mate solely for the sake of offspring, etc.
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So, these are the "insights" the God-man shares with His beloved followers?
Surely there's a better example out there than a hateful, delusional Valtorta?
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Benjamin Taylor6 said:Honestly, lucky are the simpletons, because Heaven belongs to them. For them, Paradise is basically a birthright. But for those of us who aren't quite that "blessed," there’s a massive uphill battle ahead of us.
It looks like Adam and Eve weren't actually the ones to blame for all the misery in this world after all. It seems like this whole mess was part of God's plan from the very beginning.
Paul Anderson2 said:I guess if God had been a bit more careful, He could've made America without any uranium. Problem solved—no uranium means no bombs.
We’d still be able to tap into thorium for energy, and you can't really build a bomb out of that.
And honestly, He could've designed humans to be a little less aggressive, maybe with a bit less testosterone...
if that was His intention, I suppose.
Paul Anderson2 said:Arthur Grant8, what’s the deal with people born with intellectual disabilities, mental illnesses, autism, or Down syndrome?
What happens to their "free will" or their ability to accept God?
bluebison25 said:That’s how DJ says it. Lately, I’ve actually started respecting him more because he’s incredibly firm; he stands his ground regardless of how much people push back. He doesn't give a damn what anyone else thinks about his views:
"God created man, God is omnipotent, and God granted humanity knowledge and free will. Those who embrace the Bible and the wisdom found within its teachings—and actually live by that knowledge—will be rewarded with eternal life in paradise. The rest of us are headed for eternal hell."
Great. But if you ask me, then God isn't omnipotent, and frankly, He isn't God. If He designed me and everyone else like me, He didn't actually give us free will or the knowledge required to accept the version of God described in the Bible. It’s a logical loop: if this is true, then God isn't God.
Benjamin Taylor6 said:Sure, He gave us knowledge, but He didn't give us the wisdom to use it properly. Honestly, calling that "withholding" isn't just wrong, it's sarcastic. It’s like handing a grenade to a bunch of monkeys in the middle of the woods and then acting surprised when things blow up in their faces!😢😲🙂🙂😁Unfortunately, most people are going to die wrapped up in their own pride, cursing the day they wanted to know everything. It’s that exact hunger for knowledge that leads them straight into ingratitude and an outright rebellion against the Creator—whom they falsely accuse of being stingy!
But He gave them everything! Life, the mind, all of it! He taught us to love, showing us that love is the only thing that truly matters, and that true understanding is born solely from that love... yet some people just wanted to hold God hostage to get enough knowledge to try and kill Him!
God help those walking corpses, may God have mercy on their souls!😢🙂
I think I'll go eat some wild mushrooms right now. Or maybe just hit myself over the head with a baseball bat until I lose my memory entirely. Then, finally, I might become a real man of God.
wearyowl29;38392319 said:Arthur Grant8 said:Of course God shares His wisdom!
Everything we understand today is simply because God made it possible!
He designed our brains and breathed life into them, igniting the very spirit that drives the human mind...
Yet, for our own protection, He placed limits on what we can grasp, knowing how easily knowledge can be twisted for evil. People get arrogant, taking all the credit for themselves instead of realizing everything is a gift from God! Honestly, the world is teetering on the edge of nuclear war right now specifically because humanity uses its intelligence for destruction rather than good.
It’s tragic, really. Most people will perish in their own pride, cursing the day they ever sought knowledge. Their obsession with "knowing" just led them toward ingratitude and an open rebellion against the Creator—falsely accusing Him of being stingy!
But He gave us everything! He gave us life and the capacity to think! He taught us to love, showing us that love is the only true thing worth knowing, for true wisdom is born from love alone... yet some people tried to hold God hostage just to gain power through knowledge!
What a tragedy, these walking dead souls... God, have mercy on them!😢🙂
We believers have both knowledge and the gift of faith, whereas you non-believers just have Reddit where you can pretend to be smart. I emphasize—*pretend*.😂🤣 😁
Reagan may be gone, but Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu are very much alive and kicking!☕
Kobra 11 said:😕
God sent His only Son to die for all mankind...
Susan Green15 said:And why on earth would you consider yourself a pig?
