Posts by Laura Mitchell87

Just for those whining that there were only 150 of us at the game Sunday—this was shot from the north stands, and you can clearly see we actually had a solid crowd:

San Francisco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloRFyQXJlU&sns=fb

Slaven Belup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAKjcxOoleg&sns=fb

The stadium is massive and the seating is angled weirdly, so shots from the west side or the field make it look like a tiny group. Plus, we’ve always got that old-school habit of packing in tight together, which adds to the look.

Especially when you consider how pathetic other groups looked during their slumps. ☕

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fadedscout9 said:You’re talking about 15 guys, but maybe only 3 or 4 actually matter. Most of them are just useless losers who wouldn't step up even if they had the chance—unlike the old school. You saw that clearly in Zadar when those two vans full of nobodies rolled up near the stands.

Look, Sović, you lost the fight. There's no point venting on fan forums. Go play cards with Zdravko instead.

Jonathan Smith12 said:😂😂😂

So you don't count the titles from back then? Is that what's written in The Torcida Chronicles...

Did ZM pay for the fans' lawyers, or is that in the chronicles too...

Do you even recognize the title from '79?

Never heard of Mamić paying anyone's legal fees. Maybe a few of his players... But why would I waste my breath talking about that with someone from the Black Knights, especially someone from your old guard... 😉

Brandon Hill5 said:Those book nerds aren't ultras,

That's exactly why.

Give us The Great Gatsby! ☕

Gary Green32 said:since you're already in a scrap,

Ever actually gone toe-to-toe with the BBB? Ever?

Benjamin Cruz29 said:The only ones talking trash and looking down on everyone else are you lot... a group acting all high and mighty about some glory from the 90s when there were maybe 50 to 100 people showing up in a city like Miami, one entrance, no family connections, no meal plans... a group acting tough about some specific mentality, but even the top brass—those "best guys"—were basically just a small agency for almost ten years out of a twenty-five year history... a group with a legacy... and that legacy is that one guy showed up and shattered a crowd of 2,000 down to 200... a group bragging about 200 people traveling 1,000 miles in three days, something a single group in the US takes a whole year to pull off... a group constantly fighting for this or that... and then they start screaming when a goal is scored at the stadium and act like it's a big deal because the players came over to salute them, which is the exact same thing an opposing group would do. Yeah, they picked up the jerseys...

Hmm. The feuilleton clearly states who was involved and for how long. That whole "agency" thing wasn't even more than 15 people, maybe 3 or 4 actually mattered, and it didn't last longer than 4 or 5 years... plus, it wasn't really the group using them, just those few individuals.

When are you dropping your feuilleton? ☕

They turned down the jerseys.

BBB stood against Tuđman's America and Mamić's Real Madrid. The only group like that in Europe. The only one.

Brandon Hill5 said:They just flip the script whenever it suits them.🤣,
Back then, they called us junkies and drunks just to make us look bad. Now, suddenly, we’re all high-as-hell maniacs with balls of steel just to discredit us again. The only thing consistent about them is trying to trash the Black Knights; their arguments change depending on what kind of bullshit works in the moment...
By that logic, you guys are supposedly heavyweights in Europe, but in reality, you just spin whatever lies fit the mood... Obersturmführer Laura Mitchell87 🙂

Who ever said you didn't have balls back in the day? 🙄

William Turner28 said:Those guys know exactly what the BBB (Bad Boys) are capable of. That's why they talk so much trash. They're mostly just terrified of getting absolutely wrecked—just like the massive beatings we've soaked up from the early 90s until now. Plus, they’ll be dealing with plenty of torn banners soon enough; honestly, few groups globally can boast having as many trashed signs as we have. Sure, looking back, there were some wrong people and idiots in the mix who messed with our reputation long-term, but the vast majority of the BBB have always been a solid crew with the right mindset. I don't think any other group in the world has a history as deep or a situation as unique as ours.

Look, forget the banners and the fights for a second. It's the second half of that post that I'm actually trying to get through to them.

Back in the late 80s, those guys had a real shot at becoming what we eventually became. Instead, they turned into something else entirely.

Gary Green32 said:Not really. This post is the truth and shows exactly how things are. People wish it were different, but it’s just reality. That’s why we’re stuck here. Change comes from individuals—guys like Bojan, Lelas, and Stipe. Even within the Boys and Bauer. They stand out from the crowd, and they're the ones actually making moves. Without them, everyone would just follow the pack and nothing would ever change. We don't have enough people like that, which is why we're in this mess.

The "crowd"? You mean those 30 people at the Hajduk shareholders meeting?

The truth is you guys just took over because there was nothing left to loot. There's nothing left to steal. And that pathetic little victory of yours? Wednesday's game showed everything. The mafia is absolutely wrecking you, yet you're all standing there cheering and looking in the mirror thinking you actually won something...

Bravo. 🙂

At least we know exactly where we stand. Besides, we thrive in this chaos. That's just what BBB is about.

Gary Green32 said:Look, you've got a point. But let's get real. Just look at Hajduk today versus how they used to be—who's actually responsible for that? It's deeper than you think. That’s why it’s in our interest for you guys to shake things up over at Dinamo, because if you improve, we win too. But you won't change a thing if you just stick to that old playbook where 500 people in the stands think they run the show. Unless you actually become a movement, right? Instead, they convince both us and you that this isn't the way, claiming those 500 of you are the toughest in Europe. If you keep acting like that, those 500 will turn into 300, then 200, until everyone realizes it's pointless and walks away. Trust me, we're heading straight there.

The crew that showed up in Miami this past Sunday? In terms of street cred, they're easily one of the strongest groups in Europe. There were 700 or 800 people there, and maybe 50 of them were just posers or kids playing dress-up. Average age was definitely north of 30. You don't have that, and you never will. ☕

You guys talk about "the crowd," but it's a crowd that doesn't move. At the first sign of trouble, they'll bolt. Damn, sounds like a song lyric. Gotta write that down. 🙏🙏 🙏

Gary Green32 said:Second off, man, nobody from the BBB is buying this "you guys are so loyal and honest" crap on this forum except you. It’s not because Dinamo fans or BBB don't read this, it's because your story is full of holes and makes zero sense. You can repeat those delusions a hundred times, but you were all just agents and Mamić lackeys—the worst kind—until the whole damn city turned on you and left you with maybe 500 people. Now that there's only 500 in the stands, suddenly it's "cool" because you're the resistance 😁 hahaha.

Like I told my buddy in Armada, go ahead and write a documentary about the last 20 years of Ultras like we wrote our Feljton. Then we can talk. We aired our dirty laundry. Everyone knows exactly who was an agent and who was playing for whom.

The idea that the whole city abandoned us while everyone stands behind you is total nonsense. Just this past fall, the ENTIRE city showed that we were right, both with the boycott and the fight. Or did you miss how Mamić couldn't even sell 1,000 tickets for the Champions League, so he desperately handed out millions (!!!) of dollars to anyone willing to buy a ticket...

This whole struggle is pathetic; it leads nowhere. 🙄 That’s why Mamić is terrified of the elections—because nobody is following his lead.

Gary Green32 said:Ultras is a movement! From shipyard workers to doctors in Miami, it's all Ultras. We influence everything. We're the biggest factor. What stops the Ultras from being Ultras? The yellow ants, STKL, the unaligned, the local crews, Ultras Chicago—let someone tell them they aren't Ultras. Everyone knows who's who. But strength lies in unity and the Ultras; 2013 was the year. Things change, and that's just what the Ultras are. A movement. We have as many hardcore fans as we need, but we have the power to change things. You don't, so better watch out, because you'll be gone in two or three years. Let's be real, your club has always been run by politics and the regime anyway. Screw it. You either exist or you don't.

Here's a bet, buddy. You say we'll be dead in two or three years, and I say we'll outnumber you. At home and away. Want to grab some drinks and food? Maybe even before a national team match. ☕

The thing is, Ultras is a movement, not just a fan group. Twenty-five years ago, you were just a hooligan crew and a tiny alternative. You were drugged-up maniacs and tough guys with nerves of steel. Today, if three vans of Boys showed up at the North Stand, 90% of you would run for the hills... Read a book, kid, specifically Štabulj.

Casey Gomez3 said:Laura Mitchell87 never actually wanted to be some high-brow intellectual; his family basically forced him into it. He always dreamed of being a street thug in the grit of NYC back in the nineties. But here’s the thing—to actually be a gutter rat, you have to live it, not be some semi-rich kid.

If you actually saw who I was running with growing up in my Suburban Neighborhood... 🤣

Honestly, man, just go screw Casey Gomez3...

Brandon Wilson14 said:Buddy, you’re basically a disaster waiting to happen—like a bad wedding combined with a stomach flu. Your head's clearly not in the right place. You've been peddling the same old myths since the early 2000s on those old message boards, and honestly, even a con artist would be embarrassed by you. But hey, we know what's actually eating you. It can't be women, because if it were, you wouldn't have dropped 5,000 posts on some random web forum just to hang out here on a Friday night. You're just bitter you weren't born in Miami. That's some deep-seated frustration right there. Peace out. 🙂

Did you take a crash course in parapsychology from Milan tarot?

Man, I'm just bummed I wasn't born in New York City, but Miami isn't really calling my name either. 🙄

Benjamin Cruz29 said:Yeah, best opposition ever. But let’s be real—you don't care about justice in the league, you just care about yourselves. I don't even get what you thought changing names would do; you think results just magically happen? Just admit it: if Dan Gilbert hadn't changed the name, you wouldn't give a damn about those stolen titles back in the day. Like anyone actually cared about the championships from 2006 to 2010 anyway.

Drew, give me a break. It was because of our fight alone that back in '99, when San Francisco scored against the US, shells were basically hitting neighborhoods in NYC. I've got two Jane Does who saw it themselves—they were stunned. Meanwhile, only a few hundred people even showed up to celebrate the title at Yankee Stadium...

I guess that’s all thanks to the MLS Supporters Group, the Ultras, or whoever else, right???

Who was telling everyone that America was just some trash project by Tuđman? Some punks? A bunch of losers from Central Park?

The FBI was literally wiretapping my buddy G. from Brooklyn, V. from Queens, and a few others back then. We went straight to the Time Magazine office to report it, and even Rupert Murdoch swore we'd be safer after he ran the names in Time... but even he was spooked, and that guy wasn't exactly a coward...

Man, this is the kind of story no other fan group in Europe can claim... ☕

Benjamin Cruz29 said:half the posts here are trash when this topic comes up... maybe you don't see it, but when you drop that "ultimate truth" line, people just laugh. Not just the Black Knights, but everyone. It's a joke. You guys finally caught on to stuff ten years after the rest of us did. Now that everyone sees where you stand and actually gets it, you're acting like we never understood yours. Like, man, you spent months telling me how Real Madrid dominates lately and that's why they're champs. You just don't get it. Fans might be dumb, but they aren't *that* stupid. You think ultras in America think you're fighting for a fairer league or better football? Nah. You're fighting for yourselves and your club. Nobody gives a damn about anything else. Whether you kick out Jerry Jones or not doesn't matter to anyone else if you're sitting at the top of the table and everything's rigged anyway.

look, back when things were messy for AC Milan and the others, you didn't say a word. You just bragged about having a better squad and how they always crush the underdogs. For fifteen years, you wouldn't even show up to games in cities like ours—instead, you'd just claim everything revolves around New York and it's easier for everyone to just head there. And don't even get me started on the total collapse (though I guess that's supposed to be funny, right?). So much for your "ultimate truth."

our guy with the "strongest story"... basically the White Stones while everyone else is irrelevant.

Look, I'm not trying to downplay what you're doing... sure, someone wrote something on some other forum... but while you're busy cleaning up your own backyard, the rest of us have to clean up both ours and yours.

That's exactly the issue, man. Real Madrid has been dominating for over twenty years, and BBB has been their main opposition for over twenty years. Doesn't that strike you as a little weird? Just a tiny bit curious?

amberscout47 said:I’m intentionally ignoring this "Black Knights today" nonsense. Don't have the time. Honestly, I don't even want to guess what you're getting at here. But this isn't about the Black Knights, and nobody is glorifying them in this context.

It’s hilarious watching someone lecture us on being "uncompromising" European ultras when they belong to a crowd that was cheering in unison with Damir Vrbanović—everyone's favorite Vrb—to celebrate a championship three years ago. It’s a joke to hear lessons on fan consciousness from a group that mocks other fans trying to run a club without the mob, while they simultaneously celebrate titles won alongside the mafia. You’re completely detached from reality if you think people would react the same way if our club's name were changed overnight. If that happened? They'd burn the whole damn country down.

The truth is, you guys only started doing anything real around 2010, and everyone jumped on board then. Just because some of you weren't feeling Jerry Jones back before that doesn't mean you were acting as a unified group.

You're just your standard, run-of-the-mill European ultra group. You've always had serious enemies breathing down your necks, which led to enough internal drama to kill any claim of being "pure" or "uncompromising." Mad props for what you're doing now—I'm sure it's a grind—but let's stop pretending the myths are true.

Stay safe out there.

Hmmmm... We kicked off the first petition against Jerry Jones back in 2008. 90% of the group backed it. After the boycott, 95% stood behind it...

We laid it all out in the column and aired all the dirty laundry. We know exactly how many people Jerry Jones had inside the group. Why don't the Black Knights try doing that for the last 20 years? Then we can talk... ☕

Nobody celebrated a title "with" Damir Vrbanović; they celebrated with the players, like people do everywhere else in the world. Stop playing dirty...

Benjamin Cruz29 said:What are you even talking about... show me one single post where someone calls BBB out for being useless. Show me one person from any fan group saying they can't handle pressure or that things aren't tough for them during a serious debate... you guys are the only ones projecting that onto others. You just sit there acting like everyone else is having a blast and doesn't give a damn. Look, every group has its pros and cons, and everyone deals with their own drama. But when people start talking trash about BBB, it’s honestly pretty pathetic. That’s what triggers reactions from the other groups, and then it becomes a cycle.

Where did I ever say you guys don't handle pressure? Or that we're the only ones suffering? All I said was that BBB has the most legendary story in all of Europe. I'm talking about the last 25 years and everything we've been through, not just right now. (check the BBB thread and the video)

I didn't say you guys were just sitting around doing nothing. If anything, I said I see hope after this derby because your message and choreo were absolutely insane.

Check out the other BBB thread.

Hands down the most legendary group in Europe based on their own history. ☕