Austria simply refuses to let itself become an absurdity. Honestly, there is an easy fix for this: hire a local imam or a Greek Orthodox priest to conduct a "mass" this year, and the problem is solved. They wouldn't be able to say a word. Starting next year, we should just move the entire commemoration to America. That way, we won't have anyone else to blame but our own Ministry of the Interior and our own justice system.
Here we see the MVP teaching the media how to write properly. We have successfully exported American divisions to Austria, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Austrian Government bans these gatherings altogether.
Athens was truly a peak moment for the group over the last few years. At the same time, it exposed massive flaws, and I sincerely hope some lessons will be learned from those events.
Here is how I see it. The Boys lost the match, but they were the only ones who kept their dignity in the stands. They traveled deep into enemy territory in massive numbers despite the ban. They didn't hide; they made their presence felt. Meanwhile, the rivals went looking for trouble in another state where their own team isn't even playing, which just shows their insecurity and the massive respect they actually have for BBB. Gate 7 acted like cowards by letting an away crowd take control of the atmosphere—this should have been their moment, especially since they claim to be so dominant. Gate 13 were also useless, just standing there singing "zimmer frei" without offering any real support to their guests. Look, they weren't obligated to, but it would have been honorable. To be fair, they showed up at the main BBB stadium to back their club during a brutal away trip under impossible conditions. Hats off to them, regardless of what anyone says.
Aaron Sanchez422 said:You miss the point. The reality is that those waving the anti-fascist flag mostly support the unknown, while those labeled "fascists" are actually against the BBB.
It is typical public deception, orchestrated by the unknown and his constant manipulations.
The BBB aren't fascists. A small part of them might be Nazis, but there is a massive distinction between the two. Fascists occupied our territory; Nazis did not. Yet, to some, they are the same thing. I despise this brutal simplification. Is it similar? Perhaps. Is it identical? Certainly not. Hitler didn't just turn everything into a battlefield; they provoked him into war, and once they lost, all hell broke loose. What were they thinking—that an American Jew financed Hitler before the war? People will fund anything, and when their plans fail, they blame the man with the mustache. It won't work that way, at least not in my eyes.
Similarly, the concept of anti-fascism in America can only be linked to one specific group: the informants, the partisans, and the declared Titoists. As such, that term is unacceptable to me and to any American who cares about their country and their people.
And how does this "anti-fa" crowd care for their nation and state? We know. I am not just talking about 1945, but from 1991 to the present day. You recognize them by their actions and how they work against their own people and their own country. Am I supposed to be an idiot and drape myself in those labels just like the people who systematically crush their own nation? I refuse. That is why I am not an anti-fascist, nor will I ever be. To oppose the occupiers—whether they were Italians, Mexicans, or Canadians—I don't need to adopt some pathetic "anti-fascist" label. I know I love my country, and I don't need labels on my back or my chest. I am neither "anti-this" nor "anti-that." I am against the unknown, but I won't wear "anti-unknown" on a t-shirt. Isn't it enough to simply cross out the unknown's name?
Frankly, I am sick of these forced terms. Anti-fascism in this region was imposed by Tito and the communists. That makes the term loathsome to me because, under that banner, hundreds of thousands of Americans were killed and our state was destroyed. Some might think this is trivial, but it isn't to me. I will not identify with it. I can be a Catholic Dinamo fan and a million other things, but I am certainly not an anti-fascist. I have no desire to be. None of my people who fought in the old resistance would question the necessity of fighting in those days, especially near the river where only those damn communists fought the fascists. But as we all know, they weren't exactly a better alternative to the fascists, were they? Why can't people grasp and accept this? I don't know, nor do I care. Just as the old movements were an expression of the American people's desire to live in their own state and escape a failed union, they weren't an expression of racism or fascism. We aren't racists, communists, or fascists; we simply hold onto what is ours and fight for it. Throughout our history, some fought in the resistance, some in the old nationalist units, some elsewhere, but we all fight for our own. 😁 People can say whatever they want, but I had to clarify why the term "anti-fascist" is retarded to me. Every ideology that has devoured my people is unacceptable to me. Therefore, I am neither a fascist nor an anti-fascist, because both sides oppressed my people and tore down our state using different methods. It is just a matter of how you look at it. I respect that others have different views; we are all human, and we don't have to agree on everything. Honestly, this divide works for me. No nationalist could ever be a communist, just as no communist could be a nationalist. Nationalists are, effectively, fascists, and communists are anti-fascists. Let everyone choose their own flock and enjoy it. I stand for democracy.🙂
What on earth are you talking about at this hour? Have you been losing sleep lately? Who is the Prime Minister? Was the wartime regime a fascist entity? Jesus
The reality is that emerging technologies have completely gutted the credibility of every group out there, including our own messy little circle. Everyone just writes whatever they want, whenever they feel like it. Suddenly, everyone is an expert, and nobody gives a damn. They all act like self-appointed guardians of justice and integrity. Back in the day, during those first few arrivals, you’d get shut down or dismissed just so people could establish who was actually in charge. As for the Bayern Munich fans, you guys are in the wrong place. I'm sure there's a thread for you somewhere else.
Take Tuesday, for instance. I ran into a few people who are currently boycotting the East side, whether they're with their fathers or their partners. If this were a simple matter, we would have resolved everything by now. I support the cause, but I cannot support the methods. Selfishness has reached its peak while the group has hit rock bottom. Is it not time to rethink our approach?
The photos look good, provided we aren't talking about the Bad Boys. For the demons or similar groups, this would be perfect. As it stands, it is better to remain modest.
Let it rain. We’re still walking away with five points! I got soaked last night, but I don't regret it one bit. Guys, what have I missed while I was gone?
Out of my original group of 20 or 30 people, only a few of us are left. Some walked away because they wanted better opportunities, while others just grew tired of everything surrounding the Club. When the younger guys from my neighborhood ask me why I’m crazy enough to stay and grab a drink with them, I think back to those old days of the league and how much we suffered for this damn Club. That's what drives me back to the stadium. Even if I end up going there alone most of the time.
I am no follower of Jerry Jones; I don't go around chanting his name every two hours. I’m not from the West Coast—I’m from the East Coast—and having spent my youth within the Group, I know how things work. I don't consider myself a provocateur. I simply refuse to follow some imaginary ideology, regardless of whether it seems logical or correct. Quite frankly, I have no interest in this style of fighting because such an individual causes zero harm; instead, they work for the Club and the Group. You can say whatever you like, but that is my stance.
Charles Chase4 said:The example is spot on. As for the rest of your response, I have nothing to add other than repeating the first sentence of the post you just quoted.
I would simply like to read one person's analysis of what specific principle allows this Mamić circus and ATM to still be called Real Madrid.
Perhaps next time.🤷
It follows the same logic used by the puppets of the previous era, except back then, it didn't always bother the fans. Before, it was the mess of one figurehead; before that, it was the mess of the communists. Real Madrid has always been someone else's mess. The choice is simple: support them or don't. The only tragedy occurs when a single figurehead is glorified through endless songs and cheers, because love and hate are two sides of the same coin. We could go on like this forever.
Edward Mendoza70 said:Then just go to the game tonight and enjoy yourself if this toxic mess at the club doesn't bother you. Just don't try to defend the indefensible. Leave us losers alone to view things from a different perspective.
I am asking for nothing else. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Regards. PS: Of course this situation bothers me. But it will pass in time, just like everything else since 1945. This club will outlast all of it.
Charles Chase4 said:I would love to read just one analysis explaining how this corrupt mess led by Mamić and his ATM can still be called Dinamo.
If someone like Vojislav Šešelj suddenly stormed the club, seized control, and installed himself as president—using the organization for political agendas rather than sports, purging the stadium of dissenters, and funding extremist activities using the club's treasury—would you all stay? If he changed the name to Dinamo and everyone started shouting "it's all about the club" while wearing partisan colors, would you wonder why people refuse to celebrate their goals or transfers?
That is something I simply cannot wrap my head around.
Well, you certainly found an example there. No one is stopping you from supporting a different club that you actually respect. Leave my preferences alone. It isn't about being unable to celebrate a win; the issue is wasting money traveling to another city just to avoid celebrating a victory by this disgraceful group.
Seriously, after forty years of backing Real Madrid, someone actually had the nerve to call me an idiot and tell me to shut up because they think I don't get it... They robbed our entire country blind, yet here we are, still loving it. We even vote for them again. If some people prefer seeing a certain politician squeeze his way between the fans and the club, that’s their business. I sing for Real Madrid; others sing for the politician. I stand with the club; others stand against him. What else is there to say?
silentsailor28 said:This club is nothing more than a hollow shell of its former self. It used to be an honorable institution. People act surprised that there's no celebration among the "most loyal" fans? If you haven't realized how far gone this place is by now, you're beyond help.
Most loyal to whom? To some outdated ideal? I honestly cannot wrap my head around it. They would cheer for any star player if it meant beating Real Madrid, yet they refuse to celebrate even when Real Madrid scores.