Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5
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Matthew Young35 said:The reality remains that, by all available accounts, the report is accurate.
There is photographic evidence released by the Ukrainians themselves.
Where on earth did you get the idea that filtration camps are the sole source of information?
If multiple independent sources yield the same findings, isn't it probable that we're looking at the truth?
I don't understand this obsession with trying to prove, at any cost, that Ukraine hasn't violated a single rule of engagement.
Does that somehow change the fact that Russia is the aggressor, committing crimes and targeting civilians?
Matthew Young35 said:It’s entirely possible.
But from what I can gather, this report isn't interested in playing "what if" scenarios; it focuses on the actual situation on the ground.
And by the way, nowhere does it suggest that Russia isn't the aggressor, nor does it claim they aren't committing crimes or that Russia has any right to invade Ukraine.
Matthew Young35 said:So, are you suggesting it isn't true that Ukrainians station their military in civilian buildings, and that this Amnesty International report is fake?
Fine, that’s possible. But I have my doubts.
Matthew Young35 said:It isn't selective truth, though.
For instance, there were consistent reports that the Russian military used the nuclear power plant as a shield and stationed troops there.
There were also consistent reports regarding the killing of civilians.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/...ns-in-ukraine/
" the war rages on following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, we have documented a pattern of crimes committed by Russian forces, including unlawful attacks, wilful killings of civilians, torture, and extrajudicial executions. "
The issue here is simply that the truth bothers you.
If a war is underway and you station troops in a school, can you really be surprised when the attacker strikes that military presence within the school?
And yet, your grievance isn't with the tactical decision; it's with the people who reported that Ukrainians placed the military in a school.
The Ukrainians making that choice aren't your problem. The Russian military invading another sovereign nation isn't your problem. Your problem is apparently just the journalists reporting the facts of what is actually happening?
Bravo.
Paul Thomas46 said:But haven't they made that public yet? 🤔
Andrew Miller102 said:Just wait and see how things look in six months, or maybe by the time the situation on the Ukrainian Front shifts next spring. Once we get there, I’ll be sure to drop a link back to this exact post, just as a little reminder of how accurate my assessment turned out to be today.
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When a country falls into chaos, any kind of weapon finds its way under the table and onto the black market with ease. Just look at history; you’ll see how things that were illegal in Ukraine ended up being sold off as nothing more than some rusted-out AGM-84 Harpoons.
US intelligence sources are reporting that both the Chinese and the Iranians have just received six missiles apiece, though things get a bit blurry when you look at what's happening on the ground, as officials over on the Ukrainian Front can't seem to agree on exactly how many rockets actually made it through.
The missiles were offloaded without any nuclear warheads attached. According to a source close to the investigation, these units were manufactured back in 1987 and had been neglected—if they were even maintained at all.
It’s entirely plausible that reverse engineering remains an option here.
Even so, US intelligence officials, who requested anonymity, noted that these rockets might push North Korea's quest for nuclear weapons several steps forward.
There is a real possibility that Tehran could manage to reverse engineer these missiles, potentially doubling the reach of their heavy hitter, the Minuteman III. Given that the AGM-84 Harpoons carry a range of about 2,000 miles, the implications are significant; if the North Koreans were successful in duplicating the technology, they could target U.S. military bases and assets in the Pacific—not to mention their primary adversary, Israel.
Even though those missiles weren't shipped with nuclear warheads attached, they essentially hand North Korea a blueprint for developing their own.
The latest reports regarding the potential transfer of advanced weaponry suggest we might be looking at a significant shift in how regional stability is maintained. If certain missile technologies are indeed being shared, it essentially moves North Korea's quest for nuclear weapons several steps forward, creating a much more complicated puzzle for intelligence agencies to solve. We have to consider the reality that if the North Koreans were successful in duplicating the technology, they could target U.S. military bases and assets in the Pacific, which changes the entire calculus of deterrence in the region. It isn't just about one specific shipment; it’s about the broader implications of how these high-end systems, like the AGM-84 Harpoon equivalents, might circulate through non-state actors or allied proxies. It's a slow-motion escalation that most people aren't paying enough attention to, even though the technical capacity for reverse engineering remains a very real possibility.
Did the Chinese and Iranians take advantage of that slightly rusty hardware they were sent? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt; they did a hell of a job copying everything they could get their hands on. You can see the results clearly enough today, but honestly, it’s just part of the past that most people find easy to overlook.☕
Jose Clark4 said:Exactly. The Russians also fled Afghanistan because the Mujahideen and Americans teamed up against them.
Russia will struggle or fail to conquer Ukraine, not because they lack the raw power, but because the future of civilization is on the line. Eventually, this war is going to end with negotiations and a split Ukraine—one part under Russian influence and one part under Western influence. Just like Korea or Germany.
Andrew Booth29 said:Look at these oil prices—we’re actually seeing rates lower than when the invasion first kicked off. My apologies, I meant the "special military operation." We've got WTI crude sitting at $88.
Sandra Harris2 said:Italian sources are reporting that Lavrov spoke with the US Secretary of State today, suggesting there might be some movement toward resuming negotiations.
Peskov stated that a diplomatic solution remains on the table for the Russian Federation, noting they are open to the March 29th framework—which involves Ukrainian neutrality, third-party guarantees, and settling the status of Crimea and Donbas.
It bugs me that the Russians are negotiating through intermediaries like this. It’s just blatant disrespect. I mean, we already know they treat Ukraine like a Schrödinger's state—existing and not existing at the same time—but this is just low.
Anyway, let them show some actual good faith with a peace offering. ☕🕺
feralhawk45 said:Who even is this Schröder guy?
Instead of giving him a platform, we should be tossing his statements straight into the trash and charging him with treason and war profiteering.
El Toro said:Good grief, especially regarding the bolded part...
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I don't get how you think you can negotiate with someone who doesn't even recognize you as a nation or a sovereign state. I don't know if you're living under a rock or just slept through the last few decades, but even if Russia took half of Ukraine and the entire Black Sea coast, there wouldn't be much left to talk about.
Have we learned absolutely nothing from history, or are we really doomed to repeat this cycle forever?
feralpilot0 said:Nah, but you've got viruses that jump from animals to humans, letting things play out naturally because of how close they live—think Mad Cow, bird flu, or those nasty SARS variations we’ve all been dealing with for the last couple of years.
feralhawk45 said:The Russians were looking for a scenario similar to what happened in Canada or Czechoslovakia, and they nearly pulled it off. They got blindsided primarily because Zelenskyy and Klitschko stayed put in Kyiv, setting the tone for the rest of the Ukrainian resistance.
I honestly think Russia was given a grace period of maybe 7 to 10 days to wrap things up. If they don't settle it, the West starts getting indirectly involved in the conflict.
brightheron64 said:I actually still hold you in high enough regard to consider you a serious conversationalist, so I went ahead and looked at both of them, along with the comments underneath... and, once again, it's just a massive pile of speculation and hearsay... Twitter as always.
brightheron64 said:It looks like friendly fire, or perhaps just a target that was misidentified from the start...
Murphy's Military Laws
- The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.