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Nicholas King said:You're missing one more "certainly" in that claim about the journalists getting the "mig" memo, if you really want this whole circus to be complete.
Oh yeah? Well, why don't you explain how there's suddenly zero coverage in any news outlet about migrants, when just three weeks ago, there wasn't a single day without reports coming from our border or the side of Canada.
And then poof—10, 20, or 30,000 people at the border just vanish into thin air overnight.
Adam Collins4 said:Where exactly was the police presence pulled from?
Can you give me an actual example?
And what's the reasoning behind it?
Shift schedules have been tweaked slightly because they're terrified of the virus getting into the system, so some people are basically on standby while on vacation... but there's absolutely no talk about pulling people off the border...
I don't know, I was just guessing based on how things went down in Canada. We don't exactly have cops to throw around like confetti either. If they had to set up checkpoints in every single municipality to check passes, they had to pull those people from somewhere. Plus, there's the usual grind—we've already had a few robberies in Washington, D.C. (caught immediately, though).
Honestly, news about migrants just totally vanished from the media once everything started shutting down due to the epidemic.
Right now, there are about a hundred officers stuck in quarantine, so you can bet that number is going to climb.
The Canadians have pulled most of their police away from the border with America to deal with things happening in Austria and Italy because of this epidemic. Since they left the border facing us totally wide open, they had to pass some law giving the military temporary extra powers just so they could send them out to our border.
I bet it’s the exact same story here; a huge chunk of the police have been moved elsewhere from the Canada border, so migrants are probably just wandering around freely right now. It’s just that those "democratic" news outlets got the memo to stay quiet about it. No news, no problem, right?
bluejackal2 said:For real though! I honestly just feel bad for the women who have to deal with this at home; I even heard about one lady who actually got smacked right in the face by a projectile.😬
Are you kidding me...🤣
Just another COVID-19 victim.
Yeah, they're all totally interconnected. If one goes down, the whole damn thing collapses.
Total meltdown.
Gregory Mitchell90 said:That one state has a huge company called Straža (some kind of manufacturing plant, I'm not entirely sure what). They employ half of Austria and half of the surrounding region, plus people from other countries too. Apparently, everyone who caught it worked there—at least that's what my folks told me. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know. Word is, they couldn't maintain social distancing there, and management refused to halt production, so now the employees are paying the price...
It was Stražaplastika, back in that small town near the Sutla river—I think it's Vetropak now. They make bottles and glass packaging. Some Swiss person bought them out about 15 years ago.
If that's the case, man, that is nasty. They’re huge. Their production basically keeps the entire economy of that area afloat. If they shut down, things are gonna get ugly fast.
Chemo treatments are getting canceled or pushed back because hospitals are falling apart.
Man, this is getting seriously, seriously bad. These daily delays are straight-up slashing patients' chances. And look, trying to transfer someone—especially if they're already admitted—to another hospital is a total nightmare since basically every bed is full anyway, plus doctors can't just zip around the city like they're in a race. We're finally seeing the price tag of having such outdated medical facilities.
In New York City, there are 245 cases out of nearly 600 total, though they aren't saying how many are new. NYC is clearly the massive epicenter here. On top of that, we’re about to see the fallout from everyone fleeing the city after that earthquake last Sunday; things are probably going to blow up in the next two days.
Well, at least they reopened those little market stalls. Though, I honestly don't see how the veggie stands are supposed to make it work—unless they just turn all the booths toward the wall, but then people would just be rummaging through the produce; which, let's face it, is what they do in grocery stores anyway. Maybe the market should just provide plastic gloves for every stall?
The real issue is that the Government is slapping the exact same rules on New York City and the rest of the country. For NYC, the measures aren't even enough, but for most of the US, they're way too much—actually, way overkill. Aside from a few bigger hotspots—San Francisco, San Diego, Miami, Charleston, and for some reason that one state (?)—everything else is mostly quiet. It’s obvious NYC needs tougher restrictions while letting everyone else breathe. It makes zero sense that you can travel from a neighborhood like Podsused to a suburb like Sesvete without an issue—that's like 700,000 people right there—but moving from one tiny town of 1,000 people to another is treated like it's impossible. To make matters worse, because of the earthquake, New Yorkers have scattered everywhere, and now who's going to get them back in one place? This couldn't have happened at a worse time. Maybe New Yorkers should just self-isolate whenever they cross state lines? Because they were the main carriers, and now they've spread across the whole country, so everything could start spiking everywhere by Monday.
On the flip side, if they start locking down specific neighborhoods in NYC, it's going to be absolute chaos, and that would end really, really badly. Cutting back on public transit is only making things worse because everyone ends up cramming into the few buses that are actually running.
alh84001 said:That Woman from D.C. probably escaped some tiny rural town and now she just can't handle herself.
Which way? I was driving through Appalachia today all the way out to Mokrica and there wasn't even a checkpoint until then, then I hopped on the expressway toward Andrasevac and Oroslavje and the whole stretch was totally empty. Usually, I take an earlier turn near Comcast, though I'm not sure if they've got people waiting there lately. 🙂
It looks like all the towns and counties under the Donji Stubica Party made a deal behind our backs, because I didn't see a single bit of enforcement on the road between Oroslavje and Upper Stubica. 👍
The folks up in Appalachia are tearing down the state order. They won't listen, so whatever, bye!
Can you even imagine how much of an order that is? You tell them "do this" — and they say "nope" — and then boom, you're left watching them do whatever they want. The whole state is basically in a standoff. You can't even drive your little car down the road. And what are you gonna do? Try to boss them around?
Joseph Taylor11 said:There’s a massive difference between being isolated in a tiny little hamlet like Lower Nigdarjev—where you've got one single shop, a post office, and a church to your name—and actually living in a sprawling city that covers hundreds of square miles. It's just not the same thing.
Before we go throwing questions around, maybe we should actually do a little reading first? Just to see if we can find the answer ourselves without bothering anyone.🤔
It’s not even about whether people should have the freedom to go wherever they want and spread whatever they’re carrying. That's not the point.
Read with some actual comprehension.
Look, I don't mean to be a jerk or anything, but seriously—has like 99% of the people living in that tiny little town of Lower Nigdarjev actually left the county limits once in the last ten years? Or have they just been busy celebrating their baptisms?
Asking for a buddy.
Samuel Parker said:I haven't left the San Francisco area since May 30th, and with the buses being out of commission lately, I haven't even stepped foot outside the Dubrovnik River. Honestly, the boredom is starting to get to me. When will I finally manage to leave this little microcosm?
Ever thought about growing weed?
Supposedly, the first couple of weeks are pretty boring, then things start happening, you get one week where it's actually exciting, and then some idiot comes along, eats the whole thing, and leaves a massive mess for you to clean up.
Actually, now that I think about it, you probably shouldn't even bother.
Tyler Ruiz502 said:Since I’m not really going anywhere—and honestly, keeping up with the news has been exhausting enough as it is—I completely missed the memo regarding the residence info. Are we talking about the municipality, the city... or what exactly?
If we were to head out from D.C. toward Mount Rainier, would that even be doable? I’m assuming Zumberak is off the table since it's outside the city limits, right? Also, is Central Park open for biking or jogging?
It’ll just be family, not a whole group, obviously.
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Lady, just dress up like a bear and head out for a jog in the Appalachian Mountains. If a cop stops you, just throw some Appalachian snacks at them. Trust me, those police officers will turn into little cubs in no time.
(just kidding)
electricbadger89 said:Signature
I once had a Woman from Washington, D.C. tell me that if public transit gets cut, it's my own fault for not driving a car. Then, when movement was restricted, she basically said it was my fault for choosing to live in a small town that lacks the necessary infrastructure.
I finally snapped and told her that people from the big cities should just shut up and stay out of it because they clearly have no clue what they're talking about.
The worst part is they actually support this absolute nonsense of a policy because they have zero concept of what it's like to live under these conditions.
That Woman from D.C. sounds like a real sweetheart. You can tell you actually care about people, because if they're gonna be like that, you feel like you *have* to help them—even though they're totally hopeless.
Joseph Taylor11 said:I haven't been able to track down this decision myself.
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Yet, the media outlets are all over it, reporting it as fact...
That’s why I was asking (over in that other thread ) — when are we actually going to start seeing people held accountable for spreading misinformation?
Let's see if the reporters at today's press conference actually grill Božinović about this. If the info turns out to be fake, they should hold Ladislav Bace accountable for spreading false, panic-inducing news during a crisis. Since he's such a high-ranking official, the punishment ought to be way harsher than what some random civilian would face.
Look, if this "Decision" regarding $10 penalties is legit, then Božinović needs to pull it out right there in front of the cameras and explain why it wasn't officially released through the proper channels. It’s just not right for the Secretary of Homeland Security to be spreading misinformation and stressing everyone out. That would be totally unprofessional. Honestly, it might even be criminal.
Joseph Taylor11 said:But the news outlets are already running with it...
Even 24sata picked up this story today about the $30 fine $0.00 if you don't have a pass.
As for those breaking the self-isolation rules—it's $8 $0.00 (for the first offense).
🤦
Where is the actual DECISION that mentions a fine of $10?
If there isn't an official document, then we're looking at straight-up disinformation. That's actually illegal.
Does that decision even exist? If not, is Ladislav Bace, the Chief of the Osijek Police Department, going to be held criminally liable for spreading fake news and causing public panic?
Jose Scott3 said:And how exactly would that be our fault?
Production isn't going anywhere. The whole point of science is that you're constantly working, improving, and pushing forward without stopping... even if papers and patents sit in a drawer for a while until someone actually figures out how to monetize them.
Sorry, but I gotta ask you to clarify one thing here.
Look, I'm funding you through my taxes, right? And you produce some research. But if absolutely nobody in America can actually use that work because there's no one here to turn it into something real—meaning some foreign company just swoops in, grabs the tech, and cashes in on it instead—then what's the deal?
What's the actual benefit to me for paying for it? What's the benefit to society as a whole?
Joseph Taylor11 said:I’d say yeah... I was on the phone yesterday with someone who is "similar" to them, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion myself. Okay, they didn't explicitly admit it to me, but I know how to read—or rather, listen—between the lines.🤔
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Besides that, talking to folks in other towns, I’ve found out that in situations just like mine, people there actually manage to get their permits.
And we see it happening further north, too. A guy was actually able to get a permit just to go check on his property in another city.
But I'll say it again—for some reason, I just can't get mine!
Yeah, honestly, it all comes down to whether the person handing out the permits has any common sense. But when someone gets stubborn and decides to follow the law strictly by the book, you can bet your life that a Democratic Party membership card will make everything move along perfectly. And soon enough, I bet a little blue envelope will start working wonders for everyone else, too.
Typical American scams.
Nicholas King said:Honestly, whoever decided that movement restrictions should be tied directly to city and municipal borders... well, they clearly aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. I mean, if the actual goal is to limit how much people are circling around the country, then one could just look at the boundaries of major metropolitan areas—which, let’s be honest, don't necessarily have to align with state lines anyway (so even using states wouldn't be the most logical choice here)—and just go from there. That's really all there is to it.
It just goes to show that our current administrative borders are totally insane. It's pure gerrymandering, just like how they draw voting districts.
Administrative lines should be drawn so people inside them can get everything they need locally, leaving travel for actual emergencies only.
Back in the day, having a smaller number of organized districts was way more efficient than dealing with this mess of 550+ municipalities and over 130 "cities." You've got a massive metro like New York City with millions of people sitting right next to some tiny town with maybe a thousand. What kind of nonsense is that?
Joseph Taylor11 said:I did. They won't let me get to the next town over—let alone the one that's practically 1.6 miles miles away—$10. They just simply WON'T. Plain and simple.
Why do you think I'm making a scene? Why do you think I'm calling out this whole absurdity?
Because whether or not they hand out permits depends entirely on who's running the local town hall.
While some people breeze through without any issues at all (you're one of them, apparently)—I'm getting a hard NO!
So, members of the Democratic Party can just go wherever they want?
Man, what was I even saying two days ago?
Hold up a second. This guy starts off by talking about filing a report with the
inspectors, and then mentions a fine... but what inspectors are we even talking about here? Health inspectors? Pressure vessel inspectors? Food safety? Veterinary? Mining? Tourism?
Anyone caught without a permit is going to face an inspection report, and the initial fine for violators will be around $10 – Ladislav Bace, head of the Osijek Police Department, told us yesterday.
Where is this actual order? Who even signed off on this?
Because if this rule doesn't actually exist, Ladislav Bace is out here spreading fake news and stirring the pot during some seriously intense times—and honestly, that’s enough to get someone fired or even facing criminal charges.
Rebecca Peterson94 said:Hmm... look, I'm getting this straight from a guy working for the Department of Homeland Security. He’s telling me there’s no such thing as a $30,000 fine written in the law—it's just people making stuff up and trying to scam you. Seriously, don't be naive.
The only way they can actually hit you with a fine is if you're caught forging a passport.
If that’s true, then Ladislav Bece, the Chief of the Osijek Police Department who told the media this, is basically spreading fake news and causing panic. In times like these, that's a straight-up crime that should be prosecuted automatically.
So, what is the Department of Justice doing? Where's the criminal complaint? Since when did we start tolerating this kind of blatant public alarmism, especially during a crisis like this pandemic?
AMERICA IN THE CORONA ERA
THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19 ISN'T SLACKING: We're hearing how those who break self-isolation orders and stay-at-home mandates will be punished
AUTHOR:
Krešimir Žabec, Nikola Patković, Vladimir Urukalo
PUBLISHED: 03.25.2020 at 09:54
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- We're being lenient for now, but starting Wednesday, they're going full force. Anyone without a pass will get reported to the inspectors, and the first fine for violators will be around $10 – Ladislav Bece, Chief of the Osijek Police Department, told us yesterday.
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