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Joseph Bailey41 said:Being a homophobe doesn't necessarily mean someone is a closeted homosexual. It’s more like they just get incredibly uncomfortable at the mere thought that they COULD be. So, they lash out.
Exactly. That's pretty much what I was getting at.
When a homophobe starts wondering—even for a split second—if they might actually be gay, it's like a panic light goes off in their brain and just starts screaming: PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
I mean, if someone is truly, unshakably certain about their sexual orientation, I don't see where the problem lies...
Melissa Castillo4 said:People get worked up about these parades because they're filled with obnoxious, unstable crowds making out all over the street. Who actually wants to watch two monkeys with facial piercings and purple mohawks parading around like they own the place? Or three guys with nothing but kite strings hanging out of their ripped jeans? Right in the middle of downtown? Come on... 👎
That’s where they miss the mark. They think they have to shock people just to prove they aren't "boring" or "stiff" like the rest of us.
Actually, I think it’s the exact opposite. If they just got together, dressed decently, and held some actual speeches or art performances—anything to show they're just regular, cultured people like everyone else—nobody would give them a hard time.
And honestly, why call someone a homophobe just for being vocal about how much their behavior sucks? They're being way too sensitive... 😁
What, so they should just do a little gay jig in the town square?
Right now, we aren't even debating the parade itself—whether it's justified or not isn't the point here.
And let's not kid ourselves: not everyone who dislikes homosexuals is a homophobe. A homophobe is someone who actually wants to hurt, humiliate, or—sadly, sometimes—kill them specifically because of their sexual orientation.
slywolf45 said:True, I agree... though we’re really drifting into deep psychoanalysis now regarding how men and women perceive sex, emotions, and everything else.
It’s almost as if men operate under the assumption that two women can't achieve true emotional depth or sexual satisfaction without a man present. So, when they hear about two women being together, they mentally frame it as some sort of provocative prelude designed specifically for his benefit. In their minds, there’s an expected crescendo where he makes a monumental entrance to lead them both toward ecstasy...🤣
It isn't even really about the sex itself, is it? It’s more about the ego trip—the realization that he’s the one who "converted" two lesbians.
The whole thing starts taking on the proportions of some legendary first-time encounter. Suddenly, it’s all about who got there first...
Keith Lee2 said:If being a homophobe means you're just a closeted homosexual
then we're basically saying all homophobes are gay,
which implies that gay people are actually the ones being homophobic.
So, the only way this works is if gay people are homophobes, making it true that
homophobes are just latent homosexuals.
Which basically means—if I'm not gay, then I can't be a homophobe either.😁
I see someone actually paid attention during their high school logic class. 😁
Megan Ramos29 said:Yeah, I’ve actually stumbled upon a similar "empirical truth" myself, though that doesn't mean there won't be exceptions to the rule every now and then.
well then
I guess I can head down to the Pride parade in New York tomorrow and shout at all those punks and skinheads that they're nothing but a bunch of degenerates😁
James Turner80 said:So, based on your theory, Jonathan Kim4, is racial hatred against Black Americans driven by the idea that, say, white people fear they might somehow become part of that same group just by having any kind of contact with them?
Not quite. I’m operating under the assumption that "normal" people actually view homosexuals as human beings. When you look at the historical friction between white and Black Americans, Black people weren't exactly treated as equals—they were treated more like... well, pets. And even then, only if they behaved.
The thing is, you can spot a Black person on a street corner and prepare a glare or a condescending look. You can't really do that with a homosexual.
In short—and I wasn't focusing on ethnic groups, political factions, or any other sociological category here—it's just a matter of petty tribalism. "Us" versus "them." Who exactly constitutes "us" or "them"? I'll leave that for you all to decide.
Paul Perez said:Yeah, I guess that’s basically why they put those parades together. Honestly, the whole thing feels kind of ridiculous to me because I’ve never had an issue with gay people, nor has anyone in my neck of the woods. They’ve always seemed totally normal to me, and frankly, their personalities are way more interesting than who they happen to be dating.
Whatever, let them march if they want to. To me, it just looks a little pathetic. And honestly, it sucks because I know how these things usually go down... A few years back right here, a group of Skinheads went after them, and I think the cops just completely lost control of the situation too... It was a total disaster. Just pure, unadulterated primitivism.
Being openly gay isn't the problem. What actually interests me are the closeted types—the ones who hypocritically hide who they are while spitting on the gay community, essentially loathing themselves in the process.
And I highly doubt that every single one of these people bashing gays was traumatized by some priest when they were kids and is now just looking for revenge. 😁
I honestly don't quite grasp the point of all these similar gatherings—not just the gay parades, but even certain concerts...
I mean, at the end of the day, I really want to see how the average person reacts—you know, those folks who seem to think they might suddenly turn gay just because they shared a drink with one of them after the show.
Ultimately, we need to start having these conversations, because that’s the only way to actually strip away the stigma surrounding this "group."
Think about it—back in the day, people used to burn women at the stake like witches, and it took them a while to realize just how foolish they were being.
Perhaps a thing like San Francisco Pride could help people see that these are just regular people, just like anyone else, and maybe then the attacks will finally stop.
Since I don't see a dedicated PDF group here, I'm not quite sure where else to host this discussion.
So, with San Francisco Pride approaching—and given how relevant this topic feels right now—I’ve been chewing on a thesis that was previously mentioned. Mind you, these are just my own musings; I haven't backed any of this up with actual scientific research or anything of the sort.
Let's break it down step by step:
It’s basic human nature, really—people tend to lash out when they feel threatened. From that perspective, I can somewhat grasp the logic behind certain homophobe panics—that irrational fear that some overly feminine guy is going to show up and somehow force a change upon you.
But that premise is fundamentally flawed, isn't it? Because, let's be honest, you don't simply "become" gay through external pressure.
Fear of the unknown tends to manifest in two distinct ways: one group of people reacts with curiosity, seeking to understand what they don't know, while the other group—well, they just swing wildly at shadows.
On the flip side, there's the fear of social rejection, which can also trigger aggression. It's that crushing realization that you might belong to a group that society dislikes—the fear of being mocked or physically targeted. In an attempt to distance themselves from their true selves, some people choose to surround themselves with diametrically opposed social circles just to prove they aren't what they truly are.
It is quite interesting, though, that the most vocal homophobes often belong to groups composed almost entirely of men—think aggressive sports hooligans, Skinheads, and the like.
There have even been documented cases in Germany where Skinheads would beat someone up, only for one of them to follow it up by giving the victim his phone number to "hang out" later. A bit of a strange contradiction, wouldn't you say?
That leads me to my question: Is the suppression of one's own sexual orientation capable of fueling a total, visceral hatred toward it?
Just to be clear, I'm not looking to offend anyone here—neither homophobes nor homosexuals. I'm genuinely curious if anyone else has reached similar "empirical" conclusions through their own observations.