Posts by blueheron62

casualowl1 said:Wait, so what, they "aren't"? Does that mean it's totally fine? Like, just lie down and enjoy the ride while it lasts?

The governor's statement is spot on for a million different reasons. I honestly don't get how anyone can even question this, especially since you women 👎

A few people have already said exactly what I’m thinking, so there's no point in me repeating myself.
You clearly don't grasp that rape is a criminal offense—which is what you seem to think😕
dignity and honor are things nobody can take away from you. They are inherent to being human, so they can't be "stripped" away. Secondly, while a perpetrator might try to use assault to strip someone of their dignity, you don't actually lose your dignity or honor by being a victim. Get it?
In the real world, there is no choice between "life or dignity." First off, because dignity can't be taken from you even when it's under attack, and second, for the exact reasons Logan Paul and a few others pointed out in that previous post.
The priest's comment is exactly what that guy rightly called it: symptomatic of an environment prone to myth-making. Plus, it's dangerous given the context of what Logan Paul mentioned... I mean, does being a victim of sexual assault mean a person no longer has dignity?

unknown🙂, yeah..
I don't have much patience for this, honestly. I get pretty worked up about stuff like this, especially since it feels impossible to even explain the reality of sexual assault when you're talking to someone who views women as nothing more than objects.

casualowl1 said:Wait, so what, they "aren't"? Does that mean it's totally fine? Like, just lie down and enjoy the ride while it lasts?

The governor's statement is spot on for a million different reasons. I honestly don't get how anyone can even question this, especially since you women 👎

Someone should get a permanent ban for saying that.
Are you even aware that by saying that, you've basically stripped rape of its status as a criminal offense? You're making me sick.

Zachary Collins2 said:To be honest, those clergy members always rub me the wrong way when they start lecturing me about a way of life they don't even practice themselves...

The man seems to be drawing inspiration from that old American legend about militi Gojsalić...🙄
Could his words ever truly offer any comfort to her parents or her brother??? If they could—then fine, more power to the minister! But personally, I have my doubts...😕

It’s not just that, though; it’s the fact that we’re basically regressing to the Middle Ages in how we treat victims of sexual assault. It’s like they've completely lost their sense of dignity😠,

Edward Green said:I don't know if it's just about how hard it is for people to stomach death—especially when it’s a young person taken violently—so they try to wrap it up in some fake sense of purpose. They claim firefighters died defending the country, even though they weren't out there protecting the flag; they were just putting out brush fires. Or they claim this girl was beaten beyond recognition because she sacrificed her dignity, honor, and dreams on an altar. Or maybe they're just focusing on some dominant personality trait, but I won't go there unless I want to get banned for being insulting.

Would these firefighters really be out there "defending the nation" by fighting brush fires if they knew what was coming? Or would they say, "Screw the grass, even if it is American, it's not worth dying for"? What would Kristina have chosen if she had to decide between being a victim of assault or murder?

And how much of an idiot does a celebrated local pastor have to be to insinuate that a woman loses her dignity and honor through assault? To glorify death as a better alternative than losing "human dignity and unfulfilled dreams"? What kind of message is he sending to every other survivor out there? 🤮 🤮 🤮
Would she be considered a heroine? Some raped girl who, having lost her virtue, her dignity, and her dreams, decides to jump off a church tower? 🤮

Unfortunately, his perspective probably isn't much different from the mindset of the community where this crime actually happened. I've read statements from the defendants, and it seems people are finding him somewhat "understandable"—using that awful logic of "he's a man, he had to try, he just went too far" 🙂. When you combine that with these recent comments, you get a truly horrific picture of how many people actually think this way. I know that's not how things work in my neck of the woods, but coming from an environment where those views are unthinkable, it’s genuinely jarring to see people living not even that far from me who actually reason like this..
I know this is a bit off-topic, but it’s honestly pretty disturbing.--

Jose Miller3 said:There’s something that’s been weighing on my mind for a couple of days now, and I honestly wasn't sure how to even start this thread 🙂

therefore, a local priest in a small town said this during the memorial service for Kristina Šušnjar:

"This young woman risked everything to fight for her own dignity and to defend her honor. She proved she would rather die than betray her youthful ideals—rather lose her physical life than trample over her human dignity and leave her dreams unfulfilled. By her martyr-like death, Kristina has been counted among the great women of our era," emphasized Ćubelić.

Okay, putting aside the absolute horror and tragedy of the whole situation—and don't get me wrong, the facts of this horrific murder are devastating—but is Kristina actually a hero? How did this poor girl (please don't take this as an attack on her, that's not what I'm doing at all, I just want to understand why the priest would say something so... questionable, IMHO) become a hero or a heroine? How exactly was she defending her "honor"?
Why, in the end, can we count her among the great women of our time?

Am I the only one seeing this clearly?

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he stated🙄
Honestly, it makes me sick...
who even is that🙂
I don't even know what to say. I'd probably just use an emoji because if I actually said what I'm thinking, I'd get banned.🙄-----
But her father made a similar statement too. I know it's low to attack a parent, but that damn priest, I mean, seriously...
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In the traditional sense, they aren't heroes (like firefighters), and she isn't just some "unfortunate girl." They are victims—the first victims of tragic circumstances or perhaps sheer indifference—and she is a victim of a criminal act.

mistyfox812 said:Man, I'd love to see some actual data on that. Either way, that massive boom in the population across Europe during the late 1800s and early 1900s lined up perfectly with the bloodiest wars in European history. Then you look at the last fifty years, where population growth in Europe has basically flatlined, and coincidentally, we haven't seen those kinds of massive wars lately.

Yeah...
you can definitely draw some conclusions from that. I've looked into some sociology studies on the subject, though they were pretty vague. They basically circle back to what I mentioned earlier—high birth rates usually tie into other factors that make conflict more likely. We're talking everything from social disparities to just an increased potential for widespread discontent that can be mobilized for darker purposes. A dissatisfied crowd is incredibly easy to manipulate; they become volatile, and most sociological analyses focus on those exact correlations.

rustymaker5 said:Personally, I’m convinced that wars are fought strictly to grab economic control and social dominance—it's all about power plays orchestrated by sociopaths and bad actors at the top, and honestly, I don't see any connection to balancing population numbers whatsoever. So, I'd argue they aren't "natural" events at all, nor are they required, especially since only a tiny fraction of people actually profit from them while the vast majority are left dealing with nothing but suffering, misery, and a deep sense of disillusionment regardless of whether the conflict ends in a win or a loss...
At our core, humans are fundamentally good, not evil, which makes the state of war something completely unnatural, a condition forced upon us by malicious forces...

It’s way easier to pull the strings on people who are frustrated and unhappy.
But my take (and I'm not claiming this as fact, just my opinion🙂) is that people aren't born good or evil. It all depends on their environment, how they were raised, the influences they face, manipulation, and all sorts of other factors.
You'll find it much easier to manipulate a group of people who feel dissatisfied, lack education, and act as a monolith, rather than a community made up of individuals who value their independence and avoid getting swept up in things like religious, national, or racial identities.

High birth rates are often linked to lower education levels and a heavy emphasis on tradition and "community." That's where I see the connection to potential war... it's not a rule, obviously, but there's a higher chance of conflict breaking out between two groups like that.

I’d say wars are just part of being human—it’s that aggressive streak that tends to flare up when you cram too many people into one tight space. It’s interesting how areas with high birth rates often overlap with those volatile regions where conflict keeps popping up; that’s definitely a factor. Then there’s the other point already mentioned: the whole cycle of history repeating itself.
I wouldn't go as far as saying war is necessary, but it feels "natural" once things reach a breaking point through overextension or deep-seated frustration—and let's be honest, those two usually go hand in hand.